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Re: Sassafras Albidum - Safrole? [Re: Toe_Jam]
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If you're Looking to make MDMA without lab ware or Chemistry knowledge id say thats not possible (I could be wrong but I've never heard of a way to do it). Your best bet would be to extract safrole from sassafras and purify the MDA out of it which doesn't require anywhere near the lab ware or knowledge as MDMA.

If you're looking to make it more like MDMA Id suggest Extracting the MDA and buying some pure caffeine powder and empty gel capsules. powder the MDA crystals, mix with Caffeine powder, then encapsulate it. This will be more Psychedelic than normal MDMA but quite similar... you could sub the Caffeine for Cocaine if you like such a substance but I'd just do the caffeine for cost. Cocaine is a waste of money IMO but if you want you can do that and it'd be very similar to MDMA

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Re: Sassafras Albidum - Safrole? [Re: MushroomAlchemist]
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MushroomAlchemist said:
MDA (main compound in Safrole and precursor to MDMA) is nice too and MUCH easier to obtain if you don't know much about chemistry.


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Your best bet would be to extract safrole from sassafras and purify the MDA out of it which doesn't require anywhere near the lab ware or knowledge as MDMA.



What you've written here doesn't make sense. MDA isn't "the main compound in safrole," safrole is itself the name of a pure compound. MDA can't be purified from safrole because safrole consists of just safrole. MDA has to be synthesized, it doesn't occur naturally in the oil. Are you trying to bullshit us?

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Re: Sassafras Albidum - Safrole? [Re: psi]
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psi said:
MushroomAlchemist said:
MDA (main compound in Safrole and precursor to MDMA) is nice too and MUCH easier to obtain if you don't know much about chemistry.


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Your best bet would be to extract safrole from sassafras and purify the MDA out of it which doesn't require anywhere near the lab ware or knowledge as MDMA.



What you've written here doesn't make sense. MDA isn't "the main compound in safrole," safrole is itself the name of a pure compound. MDA can't be purified from safrole because safrole consists of just safrole. MDA has to be synthesized, it doesn't occur naturally in the oil. Are you trying to bullshit us?


Sorry Idk how I made that mistake (I am tired, however, I don't think its excusable for me to have made that mistake); I'm aware it is not a compound of Safrole Its easy to process from safrole though.

You'd need to react safrole with HCL to produce Chlorosafrole and then react it with ammonia to substitute the chlorine with nitrogen to make MDA. From that you'd distill the solution to obtain the MDA

Edited by MushroomAlchemist (07/20/15 06:23 PM)

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Re: Sassafras Albidum - Safrole? [Re: MushroomAlchemist]
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I don't have a chemistry background so IDK any synthesis but here is a post of someone reporting what you posted; results in 1-(3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)-2-chloropropane not 3,4-Methylenedioxyamphetamine
Not sure on activity of that

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.drugs.chemistry/74C-k_i0YM0/6K6Q0_uHjAcJ


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Re: Sassafras Albidum - Safrole? [Re: modern.shaman]
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modern.shaman said:
I don't have a chemistry background so IDK any synthesis but here is a post of someone reporting what you posted; results in 1-(3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)-2-chloropropane not 3,4-Methylenedioxyamphetamine
Not sure on activity of that

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.drugs.chemistry/74C-k_i0YM0/6K6Q0_uHjAcJ


Sorry I am not dumb, I swear, I've just been up for far too long (roughly 36 hours now; I guess I'm not quite like Einstein needing only a few hours of sleep every couple of days, but again I will not excuse myself for this mistake but I do apologize)... Yeah MDP2P... which is a step to MDMA. SWIM has never stopped at MDA; SWIM just goes all the way with it... MDP2P reacted with HgCl2+MeOH will yield a solution that will contain MDMA. There are a few steps to separating the MDMA from the unwanted byproducts that I will not go into just check out the link i provided earlier or look up Methyl Man's procedure...
I'm gonna get some sleep and will address any further responses after class tomorrow.

Namaste :jah:

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Re: Sassafras Albidum - Safrole? [Re: MushroomAlchemist]
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MushroomAlchemist said:
You'd need to react safrole with HCL to produce Chlorosafrole and then react it with ammonia to substitute the chlorine with nitrogen to make MDA. From that you'd distill the solution to obtain the MDA


After you do as you described, and even if you've done it with the proper apparatuses. You'll then go out and apologize to the tree for taking it's roots and wasting its essence that it was happily using, because your yields will be complete garbage.

-Please join us in the Chemistry and Pharmacology section to discuss things related to synthesis. I'm not sure how broad The Ethnobotanical Garden rules are for this stuff..
I know you may be hesitant with the word 'Alchemy' attached to your name, but most of us keep an open mind there, however, we will and do clear up any misinformation and support it to the best of our abilities so that you may improve your practice(s).


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Re: Sassafras Albidum - Safrole? [Re: BayerPhi]
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BayerPhi said:
-Please join us in the Chemistry and Pharmacology section to discuss things related to synthesis. I'm not sure how broad The Ethnobotanical Garden rules are for this stuff..



Yeah that's a good suggestion. The moderation here isn't usually too strict but the focus is supposed to be on growing the plants.

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Re: Sassafras Albidum - Safrole? [Re: psi]
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Thanks folks :smile:

I've directed MushroomAlchemist to the C+P forum, but access requirements aren't yet met, so I'm sure he will join you in there when able.

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Re: Sassafras Albidum - Safrole? [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
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So...
Can Safrole oil really be pressed from fresh roots? I can't imagine the yield would be anything substantial :shrug:

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Re: Sassafras Albidum - Safrole? [Re: Toe_Jam]
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Toe_Jam said:
Yeah, I don't know who this swim guy is, but man, does he get around. Does some good ass drugs.

Seriously though, I have no knowledge of chemistry, other than extremely basic stuff. I think I've looked into this before and been like... Meh. looks too complicated for me. If lab equipment is required I won't be doing this. Not enough funds to start with.

I'm definitely smart enough to learn this stuff, I just hated chemistry in high school and have not yet gone on to higher education. It's probably best not to be baking up bathtub psychedelics without really knowing what you're doing.

I was kind of asking, "is there a proven layman's recipe?"

But I don't think there is. Or there would be weird dirty Sassyfrass all over the place.


You are right, there isn't really a layman recipe.

Also palladium chloride is very difficult to obtain unless you are a professional photographer or a chemist. That stuff is necessary for the synth that was posted.

Distilling the cinnamolaurine would be more doable.


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Re: Sassafras Albidum - Safrole? [Re: gardenstate]
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gardenstate said:
So...
Can Safrole oil really be pressed from fresh roots? I can't imagine the yield would be anything substantial :shrug:


It's easier to steam distill.


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Re: Sassafras Albidum - Safrole? [Re: BayerPhi]
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I have a three year old sassafras albidum growing naturally out back. Just came up one day.


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