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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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The official story was that some Iraqi led the US to the place where Saddam was hidden and said "keep looking", etc..

This story says that the Kurds actually drugged Saddam and left him for the US to find.




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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
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Learyfan said:
The official story was that some Iraqi led the US to the place where Saddam was hidden and said "keep looking", etc..

This story says that the Kurds actually drugged Saddam and left him for the US to find.





I also read somewhere that the US found aliens in Roswell New Mexico in 1969 and have been hiding them from us. I also read the George Bush Senior was the man who pulled the trigger on JFK.

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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
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It sounds more like just a more detailed rendition of the same story. I can't really see how any actual lying, fabrication, or dishonesty is involved.


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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You don't see how any lying, fabrication or dishonestly was involved in taking us to war.




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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
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Is that what this thread is about now?

I don't know that Bush lied to get us into war. He may have. It would certainly appear that he very likely may have at least been wrong about some of the reasons he gave.


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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So it's acceptable that the President of the US lies. That's tolerable to you.






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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
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Those Kurds are some amazing dudes, man.

They capture the most wanted man in the world -- the same guy responsible for murdering a whole shitload of Kurds -- and they not only don't torture and kill his ass on the spot; they not only give up the $25 million reward; they dope him up, put him back in his hole with his pistol and his cash, calculate the dosage of the drug so it wears off in time for him to be conscious at the time of the raid but not conscious enough to bug out to some other place before the raid goes down, then trust the 600 troops to have their shit together enough to get there in time and actually find the hidey-hole.

Gee, maybe they are sly enough to get Bush re-elected after all.

pinky


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
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yes, Some "lies" I'm OK with. I'm not OK with lies made with the sole intention to decieve Americans in order to sway them into agreeing to go along with something.

but If Iraqi's come out of this situation "so free that they can fly" then I'm personally gonna let it slide if he overstated his confidence in some evidence, or even just flat out lied.

Which, by the way, we don't know that he did.


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
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its tough for me to believe anything that Bush says. He has the mind of a six year old child and is a very poor spoken person (he just sounds dis-honest, or fishing for sympathy)

as far as the kurds drugging him, he did look pretty fucked up in those photos taken after his capture.


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
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no one has ever proved bush lied.

he may have been misleading, but i don't think he ever blatantly lied.

i guess you can argue that being misleading is lying, but calling it lying is
using the word to make your cause more appealing. the left seems to love
doing that.

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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: ]
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How long are you people going to pretend that it's ok to have these money hungry cash whores as our leaders?

How long are you going to make excuses for them?

What will it take?





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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
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How long are you people going to pretend that it's ok to have these
money hungry cash whores as our leaders?

How long are you going to make excuses for them?

What will it take?


I was under the impression that all politicians are money-hungry
cash whores.  :smirk:  Even those "champions" of the downtrodden, the democrats.

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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
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What will it take?


It will take PROOF.

Which is the same thing I imagine you'd want to be used if you were ever accused of something.

You would like it if proof was required to convict you of something.... wouldn't you?


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Phred]
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pinksharkmark said:
Those Kurds are some amazing dudes, man.

They capture the most wanted man in the world -- the same guy responsible for murdering a whole shitload of Kurds -- and they not only don't torture and kill his ass on the spot; they not only give up the $25 million reward; they dope him up, put him back in his hole with his pistol and his cash, calculate the dosage of the drug so it wears off in time for him to be conscious at the time of the raid but not conscious enough to bug out to some other place before the raid goes down, then trust the 600 troops to have their shit together enough to get there in time and actually find the hidey-hole.

Gee, maybe they are sly enough to get Bush re-elected after all.

pinky


These were my exact thoughts as I read the lunacy in the first post.  :rolleyes:

Some people will believe anything if it fits their agenda.

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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
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you're so cute when you conspiricise. :rolleyes:


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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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but If Iraqi's come out of this situation "so free that they can fly"

Kinda like the Afghans did?

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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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You would like it if proof was required to convict you of something.... wouldn't you?

It's proof BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.

By your standards of "proof" no-one could ever be convicted because Ted Bundy could just say "This guy appears from nowhere and I wake up and there's a dead body in front of me". No-one could "PROVE" the other guy didn't exist.

Clearly the evidence Bush lied over WMD is WAY beyond a reasonable doubt.

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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Xlea321]
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You would have to prove he knew.

Many are trying, none have succeeded.

Until such time as that happens he's innocent until proven guilty.

Your Bundy example is as weak as the rest of the pap you push here. Or have you forgotten DNA, fingerprints, confessions and the like?


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Xlea321]
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Quote:
By your standards of "proof" no-one could ever be convicted because Ted Bundy could just say "This guy appears from nowhere and I wake up and there's a dead body in front of me". No-one could "PROVE" the other guy didn't exist.



EXACTLY.

There is no proof that Bundy killed anyone. There is no proof that Nixon had men break into the Watergate hotel. There is no proof that John Wayne Gacy killed anyone.

Unless video tape evidence exists, everyone is innocent of everything.




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Re: Kurds found Saddam, not US [Re: Learyfan]
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So if the cops pick you up on the street, and with no proof of wrongdoing they toss you in jail, that's OK with you?

Doesn't work for me.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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