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Microcosmatrix
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yeah, and Captain Crunch is a Libertarian
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kilgore_trout
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gandhi was a liberal fascist piece of shit commie cock-sucker terrorist.
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exclusive58
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RandalFlagg said: soooooooooooo, who is actually going to read that long-ass article?
The read is well worth the WHOLE dozen of minutes or so of your time. The documentary lasts 42 minutes, and its easier to watch TV than to read of course, but don't think that the american media will ever expose such information to you.
For all you folks who just don't have the time to read this, it pretty much says that Saddam's trial will never be fair, impartial and complete, simply because of one reason: Westerners are co-authors of his crimes.
oh, and BTW, the translation of this article is something you would normally have to pay for, but someone who payed for it already posted it in some other forum..
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The article is not long, it is just flagrantly biased. You know as well as I that the goal of that article is to villify the US as opposed to objectively report history. The writer uses selective quoting and cites sources such as the prime minister of Iran without allowing for rebuttal. "US support for mass killings" is totally over-simplifying the situation and obviously an attempt to manage the viewpoint of the reader, leading them to an opinionated conclusion.
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Re: Our Friend Saddam [Re: Catalysis]
#4955686 - 11/19/05 12:39 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Our Friend Saddam [Re: Catalysis]
#4955706 - 11/19/05 12:47 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Catalysis said: So you are essentially saying that the west is righting past wrongs? That doesn't sound too bad.
If they wanted to right past wrongs, they would prosecute everyone from the Reagan administration with Saddam.
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Phred
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Re: Our Friend Saddam [Re: bukkake]
#4955761 - 11/19/05 01:02 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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If they wanted to right past wrongs, they would prosecute everyone from the Reagan administration with Saddam.
For doing what? Not taking military action against Hussein (without UN approval) when he was busy invading Iran?
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Re: Our Friend Saddam [Re: Phred]
#4955832 - 11/19/05 01:16 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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the US supported saddam there, and then supported Iran.
so i guess you could say they had something to do, not just with his brutal dictatorship domestically, but also in that invasion, yes. but read the article.
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Microcosmatrix
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Sadaam Hussein, the new and improved scapegoat for a new world order!
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RandalFlagg
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kilgore_trout said: the US supported saddam there, and then supported Iran.
The U.S. supported Iran before they supported Saddam.
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kilgore_trout
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im saying they supported iran after saddam was winning with their support
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Re: Our Friend Saddam [Re: Los_Pepes]
#4956791 - 11/19/05 05:10 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Los_Pepes said: Trying to shift the blame the way you America bashers do won't stand up in court.
http://projects.sipri.se/armstrade/Trnd_Ind_IRQ_Imps_73-02.pdf
Top three suppliers of arms to Saddam Hussein, 1973 - 2002
USSR: 57% * France: 13% * China: 12%
Then, in order of importance:
* Czechoslovakia: 7% * Poland: 4% * Brazil: 2% * Egypt: 1% * Romania: 1% * Denmark: 1% * Libya: 1%
USA's sales -- 1 percent. None provided before or after the Iraq-Iran war.
I'll post this again. Those percentages only deal with conventional arms, and does not include the dollar figures for technology, aircrafts, vehicles, or dual-use agents.
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Re: Our Friend Saddam [Re: Redstorm]
#4957093 - 11/19/05 06:35 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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You should know better than to reply to that man, Redstorm.
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For doing what?
Word is Saddam gained photos of the Kurdish 'strongholds' he famously gassed via US satellites. The US blamed Iran, at first. Then claimed they didn't know. Then, ultimately, blamed Saddam during the lead up to the war.
Convenient.
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exclusive58
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Re: Our Friend Saddam [Re: Catalysis]
#4957260 - 11/19/05 07:22 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Catalysis said: You know as well as I that the goal of that article is to vilify the US as opposed to objectively report history.
You know, there's nothing in that article that was made up or anything, which suggests that the history of american foreign policies concerning (not only) Iraq vilifies itself. And maybe you haven't noticed, but the US is not the only accomplice to Saddam's crimes, France, the UK and Germany are also on the list.
Over-simplifying things would be saying that Saddam is the sole responsible of all the atrocities that were committed, but things are more complicated than that.
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bump
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Basilides
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I think it was better that Iraqis tried him, even if Iraqi justice is a few dozen pars below the Western judicial system.
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Re: Our Friend Saddam [Re: Basilides]
#6410666 - 12/30/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, "the Iraqi's" did try him, but the strings tied to the hands of US officials showed.
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Basilides
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Re: Our Friend Saddam [Re: Aldous]
#6410759 - 12/30/06 02:42 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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How so? There's wasn't a single American present at Saddam's execution. Saddam was surrounded by his own countrymen in his last moments.
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Re: Our Friend Saddam [Re: Basilides]
#6412806 - 12/31/06 06:12 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dude, who cares who was present at his execution! What you need to look at is the nature of the court that judged his execution.
The court is obviously a phony one, it has nothing to do with serving justice or truth. The Congress spent something like 120 million bucks to create this "Iraqi Special Tribunal", surely its personnel is controlled by the US. The Geneva Convention, signed by the US btw, explicitly forbids for an occupying force to create a court. And the defense lawyers who have stepped forward in criticizing the court have been threatened and intimidated, and two of them have been assassinated. Read the article I posted and you'll understand why the court has limited jurisdiction: it cannot examine the role that foreign countries played in saddam's murders. This court serves as a protection to all the governments and companies who made profits off of the atrocities he committed.
Can't you see how the court is just a muppet play? Not only does it serve to protect the accomplices that sould've been tried, but it also gives the illusion that things are getting better in Iraq, giving more credibility to those responsible of this whole mess in the first place.
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Though Saddam was hung for crimes against humanity, was he not prosecuted and subsequently executed for his part in ordering the death of 148 Shia Muslims in Dujail after a failed attempt on his life?
If I remember the perpetrators of the plot were from a group that opposed Saddam's "Western-backed" war with Iran. So, for me at least, it is hard to see how an alleged US imposed limit on the courts jurisdiction in this case could have affected the trial or its outcome.
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