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OfflineInnernaut
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Millet vs. Straw
    #2159192 - 12/04/03 09:04 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Which is easiest, higest yielding, most potent? I have a friend with a bunch of spawn jars and he wants to know if he would be better off casing the millet directly or spawning it to straw? I'm sure it is mostly a matter of opinion, just thought I'd ask...


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Re: Millet vs. Straw [Re: Innernaut]
    #2159220 - 12/04/03 09:15 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

You can do either -- the good thing about straw is you can spawn it with mycelium and get 10X the volume of colonized substrate. This is great for bulk, and you use can easily get really good substrate depths which means you'll never run into the tiny-mushroom syndrome. Straw is cheap, too -- $5 for a huge bail.

The downside is that straw has to be pasteurized and spawned with mycelium from an already-colonized substrate (such as millet) so if you're not trying to grow in bulk it's just one extra step you don't need to take. Casing millet works fine.

As for potency, I haven't really noticed that much of a difference between the two. The mushrooms from straw, though, should be bigger since it's a deeper substrate, so each mushroom will be more potent, since each mushroom is bigger. By weight, though, I don't know.

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Re: Millet vs. Straw [Re: micro]
    #2159349 - 12/04/03 09:52 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

thanks for the info. Out of curiosity, how deep should you make a straw casing? would it be unwise to fill a nice sized storage bin?


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Re: Millet vs. Straw [Re: Innernaut]
    #2159420 - 12/04/03 10:06 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

fill a bin with spawn/straw to where when its compressed, it is about 4". after it colonizes, put a 1" casing layer on it.


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Re: Millet vs. Straw [Re: automan]
    #2159675 - 12/04/03 11:33 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

It is a friends first time with grain.. would you suggest directly casing the grain before he moves to straw or does spawning straw make much more sense? I have heard that when using straw you don't get many flushes... is this myth?


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Re: Millet vs. Straw [Re: Innernaut]
    #2159756 - 12/05/03 12:11 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)


Well, let me share my experience and then judge by yourself.  First time I worked with grain was popcorn.  I did have some great results at first try casing grains.  Note that my first BRF casings were a failure and after learning how to case well, grain casings were impressives.

I just switched to straw recently and so far, I lost 3 projects and still no good results.  I really think switching to a new technique requires some kind of learning process before you get good results, unless you're a natural born mycologist or simply lucky.

Now i'm working with WBS and will certainly continue trying with straw and still case some jars on the side because I just can't handle not having fruits at least once a month :smile: .

In brief, if you had some success with casings before and feel confident with bulk, read a lot and go for it.  Wish you best luck.  Otherwise, it might be wise to case half of your grains and see what it does.

Here's a link for you.  It points to a recent failure of mine. Please be better than me! :

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post2107739

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Re: Millet vs. Straw [Re: fIsh in my head]
    #2159913 - 12/05/03 01:08 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

cool.. thanks for the heads up.  I have noticed a definite learning curve when upgrading tekniques....  My friends first spawn run only resulted in 2 out of 24 quarts of millet being successfull... the lesson of patience that is so hard for noobs continues throughout every step of the game :smile:  thanks again


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Re: Millet vs. Straw [Re: Innernaut]
    #2160655 - 12/05/03 08:02 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

anyone who tells you that millet doesnt produce better looking larger yields that are noticably more potent has simply never tried it...Trust me - millet kicks arse over any bulk substrate - or any other substrate ive tried for cubensis - and ive tried most...


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Re: Millet vs. Straw [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #2160656 - 12/05/03 08:03 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

thats very good to hear :laugh:


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Re: Millet vs. Straw [Re: ]
    #2161093 - 12/05/03 12:55 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Easiest would be casing the millet. Highest yield would be using it to spawn straw/dung.. but will take longer to produce shrooms and will need a lot more grow space. 4 pints of cased millet might give around 100g dry.. the same 4 pints spawned into 2 gallons of bulk substrate would probably give at least double the yields. Personally I've never noticed potency differences between either method..


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Re: Millet vs. Straw [Re: Sorted]
    #2162416 - 12/05/03 07:12 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, so far millet is my favorite too bluemeanie! :smile:

The straw will add volume, but if you want more potent shrooms you gotta add poo.  mmmm... good!

If you're having trouble with straw try the bleach or H2O2 tech.


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Re: Millet vs. Straw [Re: shroomstruck]
    #2162530 - 12/05/03 07:59 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for all the help... after bluemeanie's words of wisdom I think the millet will be cased directly.  I will post the results... :smile:


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Re: Millet vs. Straw [Re: Innernaut]
    #2162966 - 12/06/03 12:00 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

that would be wisest man, "small steps" in this game


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Re: Millet vs. Straw [Re: ]
    #2163055 - 12/06/03 12:32 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

what would you consider a "bulk" batch of grain? 48 qts? 60?


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Re: Millet vs. Straw [Re: Innernaut]
    #2163062 - 12/06/03 12:34 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

also, which do you think is overall easiest to contaminate? a brf casing or a millet casing?


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Re: Millet vs. Straw [Re: Innernaut]
    #2163197 - 12/06/03 01:50 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)


I don't think one is more risky than the other one, as long as your substrate is fully colonized...



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Re: Millet vs. Straw [Re: fIsh in my head]
    #2163441 - 12/06/03 04:54 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

It takes BARELY any patience at all to grow shrooms . How long do you wait at the most ? 2 months ?? That aint shit at all man . Try growing cannabis and you'll wait about a week for germinating , 2-4 months vegatating (sp?) , 8-10 weeks just for flowering and a week or two for drying the cannabis flower clusters (budz). Shrooms are as easy (to me atleast) to grow as cannabis .


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Re: Millet vs. Straw [Re: ShroomBlue]
    #2164651 - 12/06/03 06:13 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

well of course dope takes more patience than fungus... although, at least with a cannabis plant you don't have as many obstacles to overcome... there is much less room for error. Pot will grow (maybe not as kind as you'd like)and you watch the progression. We attempting a new tek there is a great deal of trial and error. Without patience you wouldn't get too far with fungus


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Re: Millet vs. Straw [Re: Innernaut]
    #2165179 - 12/06/03 10:12 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I can understand why poepl use bulk substrates because they are easy and very cheap - but they dont yield higher per ml than any othe substrates - infact 500mls of manure or straw will not produce the same amount of biomass as say 500mls of rye grain or millet.
Using millet as a spawning mechanism for bulk substrates defeats the purpose - unless you using a large ratio of millet to bulk, why not just use an easier spawn like brf or corn flour? SInce the fruiting substrate will be the bulk and not the spawning mechanism.
If your gonna try millet - do it straight millet - ger yourself enough for ten 500mls -700mls jars and then case the lot with coco-coir mixed with thickgrade verm.
You will notice that your mushrooms will suddenly look like hte pictures from sporeworks! Meatier, thicker, much larger yields, darker enzyme bluing and definately stronger potency - guaranteed.


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Re: Millet vs. Straw [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #2165615 - 12/07/03 02:09 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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You will notice that your mushrooms will suddenly look like hte pictures from sporeworks! Meatier, thicker, much larger yields, darker enzyme bluing and definately stronger potency - guaranteed.




Well what I've grown on millet looks (to me) very close in shroom specimen pics to what the vendors pimp. They have a rich healthy colour with a good yield to subtrate input, that's for sure. I wouldn't be surprised if the vendors grew all their eye-candy on millet in order to market their warez. (hint, millet flour not brf in their cakes and they'd get a pro in with a full blown SLR digital :wink:)

   


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