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Headed For A Shutdown? Who is Doing it this time? * 1
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Liberal Democrats and conservative Republicans alike threw a wrench Wednesday into congressional leaders’ hopes of quickly passing a newly struck budget deal, with House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi demanding that certain provisions be stripped. 

The California Democrat had been coy for days over whether she would support the plan being hammered out in closed-door negotiations to fund the government past a Thursday-at-midnight deadline.

After the bill was unveiled late Tuesday, Pelosi at last staked her position – and demanded that two provisions, dealing with financial regulation and campaign finance, be taken out.

"These provisions are destructive to middle class families and to the practice of our democracy," Pelosi said. "We must get them out of the omnibus package."

She later told reporters her members are “very, very concerned” about them.

The disagreement ups the pressure on lawmakers to at least pass a stopgap spending measure to keep the government humming past Thursday, and buy time for Congress to agree on a longer-term plan.

Though Democrats are in the minority in the House, Speaker John Boehner likely needs their support to pull the $1.1 trillion spending bill over the finish line. Dozens of conservative Republicans stand to defect on the vote over myriad concerns, including complaints that the bill does not try to defund President Obama’s immigration executive actions.

The provisions that rankled Pelosi were one changing the 2010 Dodd-Frank regulation of complex financial instruments known as derivatives and one sharply hiking limits on donations to political parties.

A spokesman for Boehner, R-Ohio, said the provisions were part of bipartisan trade-offs and will stay in the bill.

Nonetheless, other top Democrats were lining up to vote against the measure.

"I'm not going to support it. I've already found lots of provisions that are against the public interest," said Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md. "I find it surprising that some people are threatening to shut down the government in order to extract big benefits for big banks at the expense of consumers and taxpayers."

Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., a favorite of progressives, also blasted the package and backed Pelosi’s demands to take out the controversial provisions. She also would not say whether she would try and hold up the bill on the Senate side, should it pass the House.

The 1,603-page measure was unveiled late Tuesday and its provisions will be scrutinized in advance of a House vote set for Thursday.

The bill finances the day-to-day operations of every Cabinet department except Homeland Security through Sept. 30, 2015. However, the plan would only fund the Department of Homeland Security through Feb. 27, 2015. That is a move by House GOP leaders to tee up a debate in early 2015 over the president's recent executive action that could suspend deportation for as many as 5 million illegal immigrants.

Some conservatives nevertheless want to wage that battle now, and use the current spending bill as leverage. Though the House voted last week against Obama's immigration plan, these lawmakers want to do more.

"I feel like the leadership is asking us to punt on first down," Rep. Mo Brooks, R-Ala., said Wednesday.

Rep. Matt Salmon, R-Ariz., said he thinks over 50 lawmakers, including himself, are opposed to the bill.

Boehner defended the package and stressed that they'd revisit the immigration issue next year. "Without a threat of a government shutdown, this sets up a direct challenge to the president's unilateral actions on immigration when we have new majorities in both chambers of Congress," he said Wednesday.

The opposition by conservatives and liberals leaves House GOP leaders squeezed on both sides, forced to either make changes or carefully align a bipartisan majority to pass it, if possible.

GOP leaders distributed a lengthy roster citing wins on spending cuts and policy "riders" and claimed significant support among the rank and file.

"I think we won on policy, the budget numbers are lower than I ever thought it would be," said Rep. Richard Hudson, R-N.C.

The campaign finance reforms would sharply increase limits on the amount that an individual may contribute to various national political party accounts each year. Those limits would rise from $32,400 to $324,000 for donations to finance parties' national conventions, election recounts and headquarters buildings. That means individuals could give $648,000 in a two-year campaign cycle, with a married couple capped at almost $1.3 million for an election

The changes to Dodd-Frank would weaken new regulations that require banks to set up separate affiliates to deal in the more exotic and riskier forms of complex financial instruments called swaps.

The measure is laced with trade-offs. Democrats won budget increases for the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission; Republicans won a big cut to the Internal Revenue Service budget and a smaller cut to the Environmental Protection Agency.

Democrats blocked the most ambitious attempts by Republicans to thwart Obama administration regulations on greenhouse gas emissions blamed for global warming, and on clean water; Republicans won a new concession exempting many agricultural projects from clean water rules and an old one boosting exports of coal mine equipment.

The compromise spending bill would permit virtually the entire government to operate normally through the Sept. 30, 2015, end of the fiscal year, with the exception of the Homeland Security Department.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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Re: Headed For A Shutdown? Who is Doing it this time? [Re: mpd]
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'A Government Shutdown' is just a horseshit piece of garbage that means nothing.

The Republicans 'shut down the government' in 2013 didn't they?  And look how bad it hurt them in 2014. :lolsy:


Nope, what's happening is that the Republicans and democrats are falling all over themselves to get The Mother of All Pork Bills stuffed with plenty of treasure for all who cooperate in a 'new age of bipatisanship...

Business as Usual.


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Re: Headed For A Shutdown? Who is Doing it this time? [Re: mpd] * 1
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Shut the government down
Forever.


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Re: Headed For A Shutdown? Who is Doing it this time? [Re: Smokey420]
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Smokey420 said:
Shut the government down
Forever.




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Re: Headed For A Shutdown? Who is Doing it this time? [Re: Lumiz]
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nah - no shutdown this time. 

they passed a few days' worth of spending to keep it open long enough for a CRomnibus to get through the house and senate.  its already practically political suicide to shut the government down - itd be an exacerbated effect to do so 2wks before christmas.

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Re: Headed For A Shutdown? Who is Doing it this time? [Re: memes] * 2
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memes said:
. its already practically political suicide to shut the government down - itd be an exacerbated effect to do so 2wks before christmas.




Why do you think it is political suicide?  Didn't the government get shut down in 2013 by the Republicans?

Sure hurt them in 2014 didn't it?  :smirk:


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Re: Headed For A Shutdown? Who is Doing it this time? [Re: starfire_xes]
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Yeah, the whole government shutdown thing is just a bunch of media bullshit.

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Re: Headed For A Shutdown? Who is Doing it this time? [Re: setb]
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setb said:
Yeah, the whole government shutdown thing is just a bunch of media bullshit.



I think memes is right.  Another $25 billion down the drain won't sit well with most voters.

The first shut down was far enough in the past to be forgotten in the 2014 election.


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Re: Headed For A Shutdown? Who is Doing it this time? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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But he clearly was wrong..  I'm not surprised that you embrace yet another thing that has been proven false.


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Re: Headed For A Shutdown? Who is Doing it this time? [Re: starfire_xes]
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starfire_xes said:
memes said:
. its already practically political suicide to shut the government down - itd be an exacerbated effect to do so 2wks before christmas.




Why do you think it is political suicide?  Didn't the government get shut down in 2013 by the Republicans?

Sure hurt them in 2014 didn't it?  :smirk:



Voters have a short term memory.


All the things you whined about Obama doing during his first term sure hurt his re-election chances, didn't they? :smirk:


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Re: Headed For A Shutdown? Who is Doing it this time? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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As a matter of fact it did.  He got fewer votes than in 2008.


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Re: Headed For A Shutdown? Who is Doing it this time? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
As a matter of fact it did.  He got fewer votes than in 2008.



You posted this before I edited, but it's a good point.

It would've been extremely hard for him to get more votes than in 08.


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Re: Headed For A Shutdown? Who is Doing it this time? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Why?  The population was greater.  He only won because Romney couldn't attack him where he was weak, i.e. government health care.


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Re: Headed For A Shutdown? Who is Doing it this time? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Why? Because incumbent presidents aren't as flashy once they've had 4 years to actually govern.


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Re: Headed For A Shutdown? Who is Doing it this time? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
starfire_xes said:
memes said:
. its already practically political suicide to shut the government down - itd be an exacerbated effect to do so 2wks before christmas.




Why do you think it is political suicide?  Didn't the government get shut down in 2013 by the Republicans?

Sure hurt them in 2014 didn't it?  :smirk:



Voters have a short term memory.


All the things you whined about Obama doing during his first term sure hurt his re-election chances, didn't they? :smirk:




But Obama's policies sure hurt the democratic party didn't they?  :smirk:


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Re: Headed For A Shutdown? Who is Doing it this time? [Re: starfire_xes] * 1
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starfire_xes said:
The Ecstatic said:
starfire_xes said:
memes said:
. its already practically political suicide to shut the government down - itd be an exacerbated effect to do so 2wks before christmas.




Why do you think it is political suicide?  Didn't the government get shut down in 2013 by the Republicans?

Sure hurt them in 2014 didn't it?  :smirk:



Voters have a short term memory.


All the things you whined about Obama doing during his first term sure hurt his re-election chances, didn't they? :smirk:




But Obama's policies sure hurt the democratic party didn't they?  :smirk:



That's debatable. The Republicans typically do well in midterm elections, when the Dems take the Senate back in two years (due to traditionally blue seats opening up) I'm not going to praise Obama for it. It's the norm for a two party state.


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Re: Headed For A Shutdown? Who is Doing it this time? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
starfire_xes said:
The Ecstatic said:
starfire_xes said:
Why do you think it is political suicide?  Didn't the government get shut down in 2013 by the Republicans?

Sure hurt them in 2014 didn't it?  :smirk:



Voters have a short term memory.


All the things you whined about Obama doing during his first term sure hurt his re-election chances, didn't they? :smirk:




But Obama's policies sure hurt the democratic party didn't they?  :smirk:



That's debatable. The Republicans typically do well in midterm elections, when the Dems take the Senate back in two years (due to traditionally blue seats opening up) I'm not going to praise Obama for it. It's the norm for a two party state.



Obama will have nothing to do with the 2016 election as he will not be running..

Typically the President's party loses a bit in the mid terms and this wasn't losing a bit, it was a bloodbath and it was a bloodbath because of Obama's policies.  Republicans ran against them and Democrats ran away from them.  His policies are unpopular


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Re: Headed For A Shutdown? Who is Doing it this time? [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
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zappaisgod said:
As a matter of fact it did.  He got fewer votes than in 2008.



weak point.


you're not so blind to the forces of popularity to dis-acknowledge the fact that in 2008 Obama, running as a young-as-fuck hip-mothafuckin black man brought out hoards of people who otherwise wouldn't have voted; namely the young and the black. disillusioned, they didnt turn out as much in 2012.

Election    Voting Age Population (VAP) (thousands)      Turnout (thousands)              % Turnout of VAP
2000                209,787                                         105,594                             50.3%
2004                     219,553                                         122,349                             55.7%
2008                     229,945                                         131,407                             57.1%
2012                     235,248                                         129,235                             54.9%

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Re: Headed For A Shutdown? Who is Doing it this time? [Re: memes]
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Yeah well that just proves those young hip minorities converted to Boehnerism. :rolleyes:


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Re: Headed For A Shutdown? Who is Doing it this time? [Re: memes]
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memes said:
zappaisgod said:
As a matter of fact it did.  He got fewer votes than in 2008.



weak point.


you're not so blind to the forces of popularity to dis-acknowledge the fact that in 2008 Obama, running as a young-as-fuck hip-mothafuckin black man brought out hoards of people who otherwise wouldn't have voted; namely the young and the black. disillusioned, they didnt turn out as much in 2012.

Election    Voting Age Population (VAP) (thousands)      Turnout (thousands)              % Turnout of VAP
2000                209,787                                         105,594                             50.3%
2004                     219,553                                         122,349                             55.7%
2008                     229,945                                         131,407                             57.1%
2012                     235,248                                         129,235                             54.9%



And Romney got fewer votes than Mccain


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