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bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever had?
    #1670026 - 06/28/03 06:47 PM (21 years, 23 days ago)

hey, i had this book "stupid white men" by michael moore, and he has this chapter about all the fucked up things Clinton did in office. i was just wondering if somebody could send me a link about these things, a list of what they were, anything please? the book online would be pretty nifty too, if anybody knows where it is :-)


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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever had? [Re: entiformatie]
    #1670029 - 06/28/03 06:49 PM (21 years, 23 days ago)

Clinton leaned so far left it's amazing he could even walk.

Anything he did that was even remotely right was for one person only. Bill Clinton.


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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever had? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1670289 - 06/28/03 09:06 PM (21 years, 23 days ago)

Anybody who believed him was and is a sucker.


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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever had? [Re: Cracka_X]
    #1670315 - 06/28/03 09:25 PM (21 years, 23 days ago)

He made alot of money for America. He gave my family alot of money back from taxes. His programs let me afford college. He can get BJ's from 1000 fat interns for all I care.


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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever had? [Re: entiformatie]
    #1670363 - 06/28/03 09:54 PM (21 years, 23 days ago)

In hindsight he was a gret president. Our economy hasen't been that good since the fifties and he kept our nation pretty much at peace. Compare this to GW Bush, who has been an utter disaster and want to take away all our freedom.


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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever had? [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1670382 - 06/28/03 10:03 PM (21 years, 23 days ago)

i totally agree that he has done good things. but he is a politician. and i read something about the things he didnt make public. shit that you just wouldn't expect him to do at all, and the general public never found out. Of course, Michael Moore could have been grossly mistaken, but I'm just wondering what it was that Clinton supposedly did :-)


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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever had? [Re: entiformatie]
    #1670390 - 06/28/03 10:07 PM (21 years, 23 days ago)

Who cares? He isn't president anymore and it worked. I think the focus needs to be on Bush and shit mein


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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever had? [Re: DrubuShrume]
    #1670420 - 06/28/03 10:21 PM (21 years, 23 days ago)

yea, but i just need to show this girl that a politician is a politician is a politician. well, maybe they arent all as fukt up as one another, but still. he did some things, and hid them from the public. and im not referring to blowjobs.


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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever had? [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1670470 - 06/28/03 10:52 PM (21 years, 23 days ago)

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Rail_Gun said:
In hindsight he was a gret president. Our economy hasen't been that good since the fifties and he kept our nation pretty much at peace. Compare this to GW Bush, who has been an utter disaster and want to take away all our freedom. 




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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever had? [Re: entiformatie]
    #1670616 - 06/29/03 12:18 AM (21 years, 23 days ago)

Clinton is commendable due to the fact that yes, he kept our nation at peace. I dont feel he was evil. Bush for some reason makes me feel like he is up to something, and doesn't care for human rights or lives.

But thats just me :wink:

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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever h [Re: angryshroom]
    #1670826 - 06/29/03 02:21 AM (21 years, 23 days ago)

I can remember feeling pretty angry about some of Clinton's policies. I agree with you all that GWB has been a disaster, but if we do vote a dem in , what then? Are we deluded to think things will drastically improve? I think so. The democrats preserve us better in our state of limbo, while the republicans sometimes like to stamp on the back of our heads. In a way their politics are just more brutally honest (pun intended.) Does this imply a death knell for progressivism? Depends whether you're ready to say "we're fucked, walk away" or not ... which is an tough call if you have any humanism in you.

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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever h [Re: somebodyelse]
    #1670833 - 06/29/03 02:28 AM (21 years, 23 days ago)

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somebodyelse said:
I can remember feeling pretty angry about some of Clinton's policies. I agree with you all that GWB has been a disaster, but if we do vote a dem in , what then? Are we deluded to think things will drastically improve? I think so. The democrats preserve us better in our state of limbo, while the republicans sometimes like to stamp on the back of our heads. In a way their politics are just more brutally honest (pun intended.) Does this imply a death knell for progressivism? Depends whether you're ready to say "we're fucked, walk away" or not ... which is an tough call if you have any humanism in you.

IMO



If you vote in a dem that is "strong on national security" who supports the PATRIOT Act then it will be the same. If the dem nominee is strongly opposed to the PATRIOT Act and the freedom destroying policies of GW Bush than I'll vote for them simply to stop Bush, not because I like them. This is one reason I voted for Dennis Kucinich in the internet primary, even though he's a gun banner.


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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever h [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1670936 - 06/29/03 04:16 AM (21 years, 23 days ago)

That's the thing now. The war on terrorism is another issue that will separate the democrats. I'm sure there are a lot of blind democrats out there that will see a nominee that is against the patriot act and war on terrorism as a weak president. It not only separates democrats just like the war on drugs, but if the democrat that wins the primary is against the war on terrorism, then all of the pro-war on terrorism people will vote for the republicans. It's kind of early to tell if the war on terrorism will slowly go away or if it will perpetuate itself like the war on drugs. I guess it depends on advertising and brainwashing. Just another campaign. For all that you know, in 10 years, there will be an anti-anti-terrorism party, just like the greens, recieving 1.4% of the votes and any other candidate from other parties that wants to be taken serious to get votes has to say he is for the war on terrorism. I hope it doesn't happen that way.

If someone writes a book in a 100 years called "America: The Rise of Fascism," You'd see the Department of Homeland Security and the Patriot Act in the first chapter.

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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever had? [Re: entiformatie]
    #1672810 - 06/30/03 12:31 AM (21 years, 22 days ago)

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the book online would be pretty nifty too, if anybody knows where it is :-)


http://www.battl.nl/mmwhitemen.pdf


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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever had? [Re: Gixxer_boy]
    #1673312 - 06/30/03 05:44 AM (21 years, 22 days ago)

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He gave my family alot of money back from taxes.




care to explain what Klinton did to give your family money back?


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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever had? [Re: Gixxer_boy]
    #1673316 - 06/30/03 05:46 AM (21 years, 22 days ago)

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He gave my family alot of money back from taxes.



Nice of him to "give you back" what was yours to begin with.

And it's a shame that edukashun didn't help you much.


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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever had? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1673592 - 06/30/03 09:08 AM (21 years, 21 days ago)

thank you very much for the link blue! :-)


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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever had? [Re: entiformatie]
    #1674927 - 06/30/03 07:24 PM (21 years, 21 days ago)

the only time in history that any leader in our contry had brought us out or deficit was in the period directly after the civil war.......that makes clinton the only other one. BAAAAAAAAAAAADDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever had? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1677838 - 07/01/03 07:41 PM (21 years, 20 days ago)

Under every republican president, my moms tax returns were only a couple hundred dollars. Under Clinton, she got almost every cent she paid in taxes back. Now with Bush, its about half of what she received while Clinton was president. That pretty much sums it up huh?

"Nice of him to "give you back" what was yours to begin with.

And it's a shame that edukashun didn't help you much. "

It's called taxes, I'm surprised you never heard of them, or tax returns. I haven't gone to college yet, I start in November. What makes you think I don't know how to spell education?


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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever had? [Re: Gixxer_boy]
    #1677859 - 07/01/03 07:48 PM (21 years, 20 days ago)

What a surprise you replied to the wrong poster.

The point was since you missed it, is that it was her money to begin with.

Clinton gave you nothing that wasn't already hers.

And while I'm sure you know how to spell education, you obviously know nothing about taxes.

No-one GAVE you anything.

They returned what they shouldn't have taken to begin with.

Good luck in college. You'll need it seeing as taxes are beyond your grasp.


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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever had? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1677871 - 07/01/03 07:54 PM (21 years, 20 days ago)

I replied to Innvertigo because I was answering his question first, then I quoted you to answer your question. Understand it now?

"The point was since you missed it, is that it was her money to begin with.

Clinton gave you nothing that wasn't already hers"

No I didn't miss that point. But you do realize that since the beginnings of America (after the Articles of Confederacy) that the federal government taxed people. Now, some presidents choose to give most of the money which will be returned to people who don't need it other than to line there pockets with gold. And some presidents have chosen to give money to people who need it. Clinton was the latter.


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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever had? [Re: Gixxer_boy]
    #1677878 - 07/01/03 07:57 PM (21 years, 20 days ago)

Then since once again you've missed the point.... specify that.

here I'll show you how.


Invertigo said:

and then....

luvdemshrooms said:

See how easy it is?


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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever had? [Re: Gixxer_boy]
    #1677892 - 07/01/03 08:01 PM (21 years, 20 days ago)

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But you do realize that since the beginnings of America (after the Articles of Confederacy) that the federal government taxed people.



Since we are talking about income taxes,

And...

Since you're going to be a college boy, you should know that income taxes started in 1913.

Hardly the beginning of America.


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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever had? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1677940 - 07/01/03 08:18 PM (21 years, 20 days ago)

Come in luvvie say it: "Clinton did a good thing." Just once and you get this:  :print:

Hey, that ain't a sporeprint, it's a donut.  Oh well, have a sporeprint. 

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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever had? [Re: hongomon]
    #1677953 - 07/01/03 08:22 PM (21 years, 20 days ago)

In order to say that I'd have to lie. I don't lie.

He did the smallest bit of respect from me when he played his sax on Leno (I think it was Leno).

Not because of talent, but because it was a very "unstuffy" thing to do.


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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever had? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1677964 - 07/01/03 08:27 PM (21 years, 20 days ago)

I was talking about taxes in general. I do realize that income tax is a relatively new thing.

"Then since once again you've missed the point.... specify that.

here I'll show you how."

You do realize that you're quotes don't include the original speakers name either? Oh wait, you're just being hypocritical, I thought only the pot-smoking complaining hippy liberals did that?



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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever had? [Re: Gixxer_boy]
    #1677968 - 07/01/03 08:28 PM (21 years, 20 days ago)

Wrong again bucko..... look again and you'll see....

Re: Gixxer_boy


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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever had? [Re: Gixxer_boy]
    #1677974 - 07/01/03 08:32 PM (21 years, 20 days ago)

Quote:

I was talking about taxes in general.



Nice try.

You said....
"He gave my family alot of money back from taxes."

The feds generally only return income taxes. Unless you'd care to specify which other taxes the feds sent you back?


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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever had? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1677975 - 07/01/03 08:32 PM (21 years, 20 days ago)

No  :print: for you.

  :frown: 

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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever had? [Re: hongomon]
    #1677992 - 07/01/03 08:36 PM (21 years, 20 days ago)

I'll get over it..... someday.
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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever had? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1678007 - 07/01/03 08:42 PM (21 years, 20 days ago)

You were complaining about me not typing someones name at the beginning of a quote, even though the post was a reply to the writer of the quote (in this case you). Then, when you quoted me, you did the same thing I did. You replied to my post, but you're quote did not specify the original speaker, as you told me I should do. Wtf are we arguing about this?

"Nice try.

You said....
"He gave my family alot of money back from taxes."

The feds generally only return income taxes. Unless you'd care to specify which other taxes the feds sent you back? "

I was speaking about federal income tax returns originally, but by saying that taxes came about after the articles of confederation, I meant federal taxes in general, even though they were only tariffs on items imported and such I believe.

Why make such a big deal out of such little things? It's kind of annoying to have to explain every little miscommunication between our posts.


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Re: bill clinton: the best republican president we've ever had? [Re: Gixxer_boy]
    #1678033 - 07/01/03 08:50 PM (21 years, 20 days ago)

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You were complaining about me not typing someones name at the beginning of a quote, even though the post was a reply to the writer of the quote (in this case you).



No, I complained that you didn't make clear who you were responding to.

Quote:

Then, when you quoted me, you did the same thing I did. You replied to my post, but you're quote did not specify the original speaker, as you told me I should do.


Because I clicked on "reply", your name showed up in the subject line. Since it was in the subject line it would have been redundant to also include it in the text body.

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Wtf are we arguing about this?



Merely trying to educate you grasshopper.

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Why make such a big deal out of such little things?



It makes life easier when people read the posts. You and I may know but someone coming along and reading may not. It's a simple courtesy. Plus the devil is in the details.

Quote:

It's kind of annoying to have to explain every little miscommunication between our posts.



Then go with the flow when posting. It makes life easier for all.


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