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SE UK shroom hunt - sand dune oddities - pix
    #2093389 - 11/11/03 06:41 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

this post is mainly for ToxicMan who asked for some rarities  :wink:
... so I hope these species are rare in N. America too!

All these shrooms were found in and around sand dunes, in the last week of October, on the northern coast of Norfolk, SE England.  I've not included pics of the more common species to be found there, e.g. Hygrocybe conica


Battarea phalloides
on sandy bank under pine; v. rare in the UK


Phallus hadriani
locally common in dune systems; peridium is pinkish mauve (better seen in younger specimens)


Tulostoma brumale
uncommon; persists well into spring


Tulostoma melanocyclum
very rare in England (six localities); red-brown scaly stipe is characteristic


Geastrum minimum
extremely rare in England (three localities)

Interestingly all the above species are gasteroid basidiomycetes - the gasteroid morphology seems a very succesful strategy for sand dune species.  Something to do with harsher exposed conditions plus the advantages of limiting spore dispersal to the local habitat?  The following mushroom I found is perhaps also on its way to becoming gasteroid:


Melanoleuca cinereifolia
nearly always found buried in sand with only the top of cap exposed; come back in a few 10,000s of years and this shroom may well have evolved into a gasteroid form like the species above







 


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Re: SE UK shroom hunt - sand dune oddities - pix [Re: pluteus]
    #2093464 - 11/11/03 07:08 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Very nice!

It's nice to know we've got another member here that is competent at IDing mushrooms. I'll talk to the other mods and see what they think about adding ya to the list of trusted IDers.


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Re: SE UK shroom hunt - sand dune oddities - pix [Re: pluteus]
    #2093808 - 11/11/03 09:03 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Geez, those are some rare species eh?

Very nice pictures, thankyou for sharing.

Looks like you know your stuff! :wink:


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Re: SE UK shroom hunt - sand dune oddities - pix [Re: pluteus]
    #2094074 - 11/11/03 10:15 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Verrrry nice!

I've found Battareas a few times here in Colorado (we have a pretty dry climate here), but haven't tried IDing them to species. I've turned them in to the herbarium and have been leaving it to the pros.

The Phallus is a nice one, we seem to have mostly Phallus impudicus locally.

The Tulostomas are cool. I have a friend who has them come up in his yard all the time, almost all year round (during warm spells in winter, even).

I have a similar looking Geastrum species that grown in my yard each year (it seems to like dead grass). I haven't been able to ID it to species yet. Geastrum is a pretty difficult genus.

That's an odd looking Melanoleuca. An interesting looking specimen, though.

Great stuff. What references are you using? Some of those genera are pretty difficult to ID to species in, even with a microscope.

Happy mushrooming!


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Re: SE UK shroom hunt - sand dune oddities - pix [Re: ToxicMan]
    #2095926 - 11/12/03 07:54 AM (13 years, 30 days ago)

ey,, thanks for the comments

Toxic, I thought you were from Alaska, must have misread something somewhere. It was quite easy IDing the Battarea to species cause there's only 1 sp. reported from the UK and I found it at a known locality. But I think species concepts in Battarea are still very contenious/unresolved. They've just done a DNA study here which should help sort out the european species at least. B. phalloides might be synonymized with B. stevenii

about references - for microscope IDing of european species there are a wide range of specialist books available, for instance the new Danish "Fungi of Northern Europe" series includes lavishly illustrated books on single genera (vol1 is Hygrocybe and vol2 is Lactarius), with very good keys
http://192.38.37.131/FNE/genusHygr.htm
http://192.38.37.131/FNE/genusLactarius.htm

The more comprehensive agaric floras of specific countries are often really useful, for example the Netherlands flora, with so far five volumes (nine are planned), with all species meticulously keyed out. The Dutch flora is also very good. (the UK largely shares a common mycoflora with these countries)
http://entoloma.nl.server5.firstfind.nl/html/fange.html

For gasteroid species in England there is a recent specialist volume from Kew Gardens that keys out difficult groups like Geastrum very nicely. It even includes species that haven't even been found in the UK yet, but might be found at some point. http://www.rbgkew.org.uk/data/mycol.html (link is unreliable)

I also get "Field Mycology", which I cannot recommend highly enough !!!
http://titles.cambridge.org/journals/journal_catalogue.asp?mnemonic=fmy
I think this journal and some of the above books would definitely be useful for north americans too


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Re: SE UK shroom hunt - sand dune oddities - pix [Re: pluteus]
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    #2098228 - 11/12/03 07:37 PM (13 years, 30 days ago)

yeah, I still had it in mind to post on that thread... it's a pretty complex issue as you know, and I don't have the spare time at the moment to do it justice. but check back in a few days and I will have at least posted a reference list, if not a full critique of what's been said...


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Re: SE UK shroom hunt - sand dune oddities - pix [Re: pluteus]
    #20791653 - 11/04/14 11:16 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I would like to respond to this opening post from "Pluteus" which I have only just been made aware of.
The photograph of Battarrea phalloides was taken at a roadside nature reserve at a place called East Drayton a few miles to the west of Norwich.  This does not grow in sand dunes in Norfolk or anywhere else in the UK.  East Drayton is roughly 16 miles INLAND.
The second photo which shows the Dune Stinkhorn fungus was taken by myself in 2003 and is shown here WITHOUT my permission.  I cannot vouch for the other photos shown.

I sincerely hope admin clears this up with "Pluteus"


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