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Re: Gettin a VW GTI [Re: EvolveShrooms]
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Dude, fucking grats. Those MK7 GTIs are fucking SICK. The engine platform is insane.
People are pulling 400+HP with nothing but a stage 2 tune and a downpipe. Consider me jealous.

VW for lyfe yo.

I drive a 2013.5 GLI Autobahn. Pulling *260HP with just a stage 1 tune



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Re: Gettin a VW GTI [Re: Webster10]
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Webster10 said:
Saying that a 4 door vw is basically an audi sports luxury car is far fetched IMO. This car almost looks like a prius.

This GTI just doesn't resemble a sports car


And you have absolutely no idea what the fuck you are talking about. VW owns Audi. VWs are the 'econobox' version of Audi.
The GTI is the people's sports car. Golf GTIs are fucking sick. They are great for tuning and turning into real race cars. Even stock they are fast as fuck and handle like crazy.
My car is the exact same engine and chassis as an Audi A4 or A6 at about half the cost.
It's basically the exact same car, minus the Quattro all wheel drive and the Audi has a "fancier" interior and slightly more luxury features and different styling. My car came with Porsche brakes. Oh VW owns Porsche too. And Bugatti.

Here you go. Watch the "non sports car" rape a Lamborghini Gallardo LP560 and Mercedes CLS 63 AMG


Fastest Golf in the world


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Re: Gettin a VW GTI [Re: Shroomism]
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Very impressive indeed. So the model of GTI OP is buying is faster than a  Lamborghini Gallardo LP560? Assuming both of these cars are exactly in the state the manufacturer puts them out at without any additional upgrades?


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Re: Gettin a VW GTI [Re: Webster10]
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No not at stock. That is a highly tuned GTI in those videos with a lot of mods. But even still, fucking impressive. Considering the cars he's beating probably cost about 5x as much.
There's another video of that same GTI creaming several 200K+ sports cars, Ferrari's, McLaren and more, I'll see if I can find it.


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Re: Gettin a VW GTI [Re: Shroomism]
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Yeah I wasn't really talking about the potential of the model, just specifically about the car OP is buying himself, which I assume is at stock. It is very impressive, I agree. But you've gotta remember, nearly all of the $ that is put into the car in the video is spent on performance. Sure it is going fast as all fuck but it looks like shit. A Lamborghini is fast as fuck and looks godly. So sure, proven by this video, you can achieve a car that performs better than a traditional sports car for, as you said, nearly 1/5th of the cost, but with a Lamborghini a portion of the $ goes into it's design and interior and such, as well as its performance. With the GTI it's all performance.

Was the Lamborghini in that video tuned up as much as possible like the GTI was or was the extremely tuned up GTI racing a stock lambo?


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Re: Gettin a VW GTI [Re: Shroomism]
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Goddamnit, can't find that specific video. It's a MK6 Golf R (same thing as a GTI basically), beating the fuck out of like 5 different super high end sports cars. These will have to do for now

Ferrari 458 Speciale vs HGP VW Golf VI R


Same VW Golf VI R vs Lamborghini Gallardo LP550-2


VW AWD world record, 1,100 HP - 1/4 ET: 8,293s @ 281,80km/h


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Re: Gettin a VW GTI [Re: Webster10]
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Webster10 said:
Yeah I wasn't really talking about the potential of the model, just specifically about the car OP is buying himself, which I assume is at stock. It is very impressive, I agree. But you've gotta remember, nearly all of the $ that is put into the car in the video is spent on performance. Sure it is going fast as all fuck but it looks like shit. A Lamborghini is fast as fuck and looks godly. So sure, proven by this video, you can achieve a car that performs better than a traditional sports car for, as you said, nearly 1/5th of the cost, but with a Lamborghini a portion of the $ goes into it's design and interior and such, as well as its performance. With the GTI it's all performance.

Was the Lamborghini in that video tuned up as much as possible like the GTI was or was the extremely tuned up GTI racing a stock lambo?


The Lamborghini was also tuned.

I don't think you get it. The GTI is a 25-30k car, that car has about 25k worth of performance upgrades.
The Lamborghini Gallardo LP560 STARTS at about 202K. Sure, it's a "fancier" car, and looks cool.
But it's being beaten in a straight line by a 50k VW. That's fucking awesome.
Racing isn't about looks FYI.

The MK7 GTI the OP is buying, has a much more powerful engine and drivetrain than these MK6 GTIs that I'm posting videos of. So his car has even MORE potential. People haven't even really started seriously tuning these 2015 GTIs yet, but it's going to be fucking amazing. It's a completely sick platform to begin with, even at stock. I'm almost considering selling my car to get one. They are amazing.

Comparing it to a fucking Prius is :lol:

Audis are basically overpriced VWs with fancier interiors.


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Re: Gettin a VW GTI [Re: Shroomism]
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The friend that had the vw use to get bmw's trying to race him thinking they were hot shit. Was hilarious seeing the look on the drivers face through the back window.


I would happily take a GTI anyday. Mini coopers scare me. A friend totaled his going 35 in a parking lot... Just sayin.


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Re: Gettin a VW GTI [Re: Webster10]
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Webster10 said:
Saying that a 4 door vw is basically an audi sports luxury car is far fetched IMO. This car almost looks like a prius.
[...]

This GTI just doesn't resemble a sports car


That has more to do with what you imagine an Audi to be than what an Audi or a VW actually is. It seems a very American thing to view a particular model as a 'pars pro toto' for a brand. Not too long ago, a VW was inherently a beetle (even if VW made other models at that time as well). With Audi, you seem to have the image of a TT, which is just an Audi. As it happens, when I think of an Audi, I think of an A4 or an A6, or perhaps an A3; not the butt-ugly TT, although that is certainly an Audi too.

As I pointed out, the Audi A3/S3 is basically the Audi version of the VW Golf. Likewise, a VW Jetta or a Passat can be compared to an A4 or an A6 in terms of rough size and shape and depending on the exact version, in terms of performance as well. So quite obviously the VW Golf is comparable to 'an' Audi - to an A3 or an S3. There's no VW equivalent to the Audi TT, unless you specifically want to look for a convertible and then you'll find that the VW EOS is again roughly comparable (but in fact a much nicer car and specifically/exclusively intended as a convertible).

It's clear that you're not a fan of the looks of the Golf. Neither am I for that matter; never have been either. But that's not a very solid basis to say that 'a VW cannot be compared to an Audi'. If you feel the golf GTI looks shitty, then just say that; there's not much sense in resorting to generalizations that are so wildly inaccurate. Moreover, it takes only a tiny amount of knowledge of the car industry to spot how many parts Audis and VW's generally have in common, partly because both brands are so closely associated, and partly because the first tier automotive supplier market is highly oligopolistic, resulting in about three quarters of the stuff under the bonnet and inside the chassis being made and developed by Bosch, Valeo, Magneti Marelli, Visteon or Delphi. Likewise, the number of parties that perform engine development is limited and those that do still cater for the mass-fabrication market cooperate so tightly and car OEM's mix and match engines and car models so profusely that it's really hard to tell if an Audi is really an Audi or a VW is really a VW.

Despite the fact that car brands still try to maintain an image of independence, widespread collaboration and the tendency to settle on dominant designs results in cars today being in fact highly inbred. It's all become a matter of splitting hairs from a technological perspective, while consumers allow themselves to be led by outward appearance and perceptions of brands often based on ill-informed assumptions or vastly outdated 'knowledge'.

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Re: Gettin a VW GTI [Re: koraks]
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^^ This guy knows what he's talking about.

I don't particularly like the looks of the Golf either. Never been a fan of hatchbacks.
But they are awesome fucking cars, and they will outhandle 90% of the cars on the road at stock.


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Re: Gettin a VW GTI [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said:
Webster10 said:
Yeah I wasn't really talking about the potential of the model, just specifically about the car OP is buying himself, which I assume is at stock. It is very impressive, I agree. But you've gotta remember, nearly all of the $ that is put into the car in the video is spent on performance. Sure it is going fast as all fuck but it looks like shit. A Lamborghini is fast as fuck and looks godly. So sure, proven by this video, you can achieve a car that performs better than a traditional sports car for, as you said, nearly 1/5th of the cost, but with a Lamborghini a portion of the $ goes into it's design and interior and such, as well as its performance. With the GTI it's all performance.

Was the Lamborghini in that video tuned up as much as possible like the GTI was or was the extremely tuned up GTI racing a stock lambo?


The Lamborghini was also tuned.

I don't think you get it. The GTI is a 25-30k car, that car has about 25k worth of performance upgrades.
The Lamborghini Gallardo LP560 STARTS at about 202K. Sure, it's a "fancier" car, and looks cool.
But it's being beaten in a straight line by a 50k VW. That's fucking awesome.
Racing isn't about looks FYI.

The MK7 GTI the OP is buying, has a much more powerful engine and drivetrain than these MK6 GTIs that I'm posting videos of. So his car has even MORE potential. People haven't even really started seriously tuning these 2015 GTIs yet, but it's going to be fucking amazing. It's a completely sick platform to begin with, even at stock.

Comparing it to a fucking Prius is :lol:

Audis are basically overpriced VWs with fancier interiors.


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Racing isn't about looks FYI.


This is where the mis communication is occurring. I'm talking about cars generally, not just the racing aspect of them. I get that a car that is 1/5th the price of it's "opponent" is going faster than it. I agree that aspect of it is awesome, no arguments here. I concede that the GTI has way more potential to go faster but that's really not the most appealing aspect of a car to me.

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This car almost looks like a prius.


:shrug:

I'd pick the lambo over the VW any day of the week. In public, I'm not going to be hitting max speed in front of people. Any outsider looking in, without being briefed on the specs of the GTI in the video, would say it looks like shit compared to a lambo.


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Re: Gettin a VW GTI [Re: Webster10]
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....And that mentality is exactly what separates real car enthusiasts from rich noobs who buy 200k+ cars just because of looks or "prestige" status.
You are comparing a 50k car to a 220k car....


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Re: Gettin a VW GTI [Re: koraks]
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koraks said:
Webster10 said:
Saying that a 4 door vw is basically an audi sports luxury car is far fetched IMO. This car almost looks like a prius.
[...]

This GTI just doesn't resemble a sports car


That has more to do with what you imagine an Audi to be than what an Audi or a VW actually is. It seems a very American thing to view a particular model as a 'pars pro toto' for a brand. Not too long ago, a VW was inherently a beetle (even if VW made other models at that time as well). With Audi, you seem to have the image of a TT, which is just an Audi. As it happens, when I think of an Audi, I think of an A4 or an A6, or perhaps an A3; not the butt-ugly TT, although that is certainly an Audi too.

As I pointed out, the Audi A3/S3 is basically the Audi version of the VW Golf. Likewise, a VW Jetta or a Passat can be compared to an A4 or an A6 in terms of rough size and shape and depending on the exact version, in terms of performance as well. So quite obviously the VW Golf is comparable to 'an' Audi - to an A3 or an S3. There's no VW equivalent to the Audi TT, unless you specifically want to look for a convertible and then you'll find that the VW EOS is again roughly comparable (but in fact a much nicer car and specifically/exclusively intended as a convertible).

It's clear that you're not a fan of the looks of the Golf. Neither am I for that matter; never have been either. But that's not a very solid basis to say that 'a VW cannot be compared to an Audi'. If you feel the golf GTI looks shitty, then just say that; there's not much sense in resorting to generalizations that are so wildly inaccurate. Moreover, it takes only a tiny amount of knowledge of the car industry to spot how many parts Audis and VW's generally have in common, partly because both brands are so closely associated, and partly because the first tier automotive supplier market is highly oligopolistic, resulting in about three quarters of the stuff under the bonnet and inside the chassis being made and developed by Bosch, Valeo, Magneti Marelli, Visteon or Delphi. Likewise, the number of parties that perform engine development is limited and those that do still cater for the mass-fabrication market cooperate so tightly and car OEM's mix and match engines and car models so profusely that it's really hard to tell if an Audi is really an Audi or a VW is really a VW.

Despite the fact that car brands still try to maintain an image of independence, widespread collaboration and the tendency to settle on dominant designs results in cars today being in fact highly inbred. It's all become a matter of splitting hairs from a technological perspective, while consumers allow themselves to be led by outward appearance and perceptions of brands often based on ill-informed assumptions or vastly outdated 'knowledge'.


I'll recant my earlier statement where I said that this car is incomparable to an Audi. I admit it was a very misinformed statement. All I was trying to say, is that in aesthetic appeal, the GTI ranks very low on my list and doesn't look like a sports car from the outside.


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Re: Gettin a VW GTI [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said:
....And that mentality is what exactly separates real car enthusiasts from rich noobs who buy 200k cars just because of looks or "prestige" status.


I assume by "noob" you're referring to amount of racing/car performance knowledge. It is very illogical to label one as a noob based on their knowledge of one particular subject. Some people have money and want to flaunt it in any way they can. Some people want to achieve a car that's fast as fuck for a comparatively low cost. Neither is a noob


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Re: Gettin a VW GTI [Re: EvolveShrooms]
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EvolveShrooms said:
Nice!!! Beautiful cars. Im getting the standard. How do you like the DSG auto?


The Dual Clutch DSG is possibly the best transmission VW has produced to date. Enjoy it my friend.

I will say, the first thing you should do to that car is get some good tires on it. The stock rubber is the weakest link.
Get yourself some Michelin Pilot Super Sports. :thumbup:


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Re: Gettin a VW GTI [Re: Webster10]
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I totally agree on the looks. However, concerning the second aspect: here in Europe, we've learned to have a look at the trim and the badges on a VW Golf before we make assumptions about its performance :wink: I'm with Shroomism: I'm not a fan of hatchbacks, but some of them offer really good performance (not just the Golf btw; there are and have been some pretty fast and well-handling French hot hatches as well) and the Golf GTI won't make you look bad at all if you show up on the Nürburg ring with it - and if you're a decent driver :wink:

Would I buy a GTI? Not if I want to be taken seriously by my customers or business associates, I won't - nor if I would have to spend any time at all looking at it from the outside. It's just not my kind of car. But it's objectively speaking a good car. A very good one, indeed.

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Re: Gettin a VW GTI [Re: Webster10]
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Webster10 said:
Shroomism said:
....And that mentality is what exactly separates real car enthusiasts from rich noobs who buy 200k cars just because of looks or "prestige" status.


I assume by "noob" you're referring to amount of racing/car performance knowledge. It is very illogical to label one as a noob based on their knowledge of one particular subject. Some people have money and want to flaunt it in any way they can. Some people want to achieve a car that's fast as fuck for a comparatively low cost. Neither is a noob


I realize that. I live in Socal where there is no shortage of millionaires and billionaires who want to flaunt their prestige by buying a car that costs more than most people's houses. Most of them know absolutely dick about cars, they just want to look cool. That's what I call a noob. And I laugh when they want to race and I smoke them in my 30k car.. and my car isn't even that tuned yet.

I'm not saying Lamborghinis suck. But you can't afford one, so I'm not sure why you'd say you would take one over a GTI any day of the week.


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Re: Gettin a VW GTI [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said:
Webster10 said:
Shroomism said:
....And that mentality is what exactly separates real car enthusiasts from rich noobs who buy 200k cars just because of looks or "prestige" status.


I assume by "noob" you're referring to amount of racing/car performance knowledge. It is very illogical to label one as a noob based on their knowledge of one particular subject. Some people have money and want to flaunt it in any way they can. Some people want to achieve a car that's fast as fuck for a comparatively low cost. Neither is a noob


I realize that. I live in Socal where there is no shortage of millionaires and billionaires who want to flaunt their prestige by buying a car that costs more than most people's houses. Most of them know absolutely dick about cars, they just want to look cool. That's what I call a noob. And I laugh when they want to race and I smoke them in my 30k car.. and my car isn't even that tuned yet.

I'm not saying Lamborghini's suck. But you can't afford one, so I'm not sure why you'd say you would take one over a GTI any day of the week.


And they laugh back at you after the race when they realize even if they were out-raced, your car still looks like a prius. I'm not sure what my financial status has to do with a hypothetical scenario where I can chose one car or the other?


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Re: Gettin a VW GTI [Re: Webster10]
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Yeah brah. TOTALLY A PRIUS :rofl:






I'm not talking about hypothetical situations. Talking about the real world here brah.


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