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anyone getting 20k from vw
    #23551371 - 08/17/16 09:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So because of them playing tricks with diesel engines ,owners of certain models will get 20k in the states,nothing in europe though


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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: 5150] * 1
    #23551402 - 08/17/16 09:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No.  I used to have a diesel vw, but it was built in Pennsylvania for the 1983 model year.  They polluted without discretion back then.


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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: lavod] * 1
    #23551420 - 08/17/16 09:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

apparently they still do, that's why people are getting the $20k


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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: 5150]
    #23551484 - 08/17/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Where are you getting 20k from? All the people I know getting offers it's 5-7k.

Actually getting an offer, buyback the car + cash. Or get it "fixed" + cash.

Sadly I didn't have a diesel.


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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: Shroomism]
    #23551539 - 08/17/16 10:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Wait, how do you get this offer? I know a few people with diesels.


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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: Crystal G]
    #23551700 - 08/17/16 11:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Has to be one of these:
Volkswagen Jetta, Jetta SportWagen (2009-2014)
Volkswagen Touareg (2009-2016)
Volkswagen Passat (2012-2015)
Volkswagen Beetle, Beetle Convertible (2013-2015)
Volkswagen Golf (2010-2015)
Volkswagen Golf SportWagen (2015)
Audi A3 (2010-2015)
Audi A6 Quattro (2014-2016)
Audi A7 Quattro (2014-2016)
Audi A8/A8L (2014-2016)
Audi Q5 (2014-2016)
Audi Q7 (2009-2016)
Porsche Cayenne (2014-2016)

They should send something in the mail.
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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: Shroomism]
    #23552030 - 08/18/16 01:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I wonder if their insurance covers fraud.


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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: Shroomism]
    #23554965 - 08/18/16 08:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Read it in a paper,chronicle or usa today,maybe 20k is the limit and some models get less


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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: 5150]
    #23554975 - 08/18/16 09:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

why the hell would anyone in america buy one of those rolling shitboxes


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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: 5150]
    #23554980 - 08/18/16 09:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I haven't heard 20k anywhere... I know like 10 or so people with different models that got offers and all of them are right around 5-6k. Heard the max was around 7500.


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    #23554986 - 08/18/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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why the hell would anyone in america buy one of those rolling shitboxes




LOL.
VW/Audi is quality as fuck.


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    #23555243 - 08/18/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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why the hell would anyone in america buy one of those rolling shitboxes




LOL.
VW/Audi is quality as fuck.




It's true, VW's actually handle like cars that are twice their price range. German engineering, man. I remember back when I had a VW, Ford, Buick, and Toyota and Honda drivers who drove my car always said the same thing, how well it handles.


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    #23555270 - 08/18/16 10:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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why the hell would anyone in america buy one of those rolling shitboxes




3100 lbs and handles well, with 240 ft lbs of torque and gets 45mpg on the highway. VW/Audi is a pretty solid company, until this. Still they're offering me more than I paid for it 50k miles ago, I'm not complaining for a second. I'll be the guy laughing at the bank.


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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: Xingu]
    #23555299 - 08/18/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

They run like garbage with the epa stuff


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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23555367 - 08/18/16 10:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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why the hell would anyone in america buy one of those rolling shitboxes




LOL.
VW/Audi is quality as fuck.




It's true, VW's actually handle like cars that are twice their price range. German engineering, man. I remember back when I had a VW, Ford, Buick, and Toyota and Honda drivers who drove my car always said the same thing, how well it handles.




That's because VW is made by the same company that makes Audi/Porsche/Bugatti/Bentley etc. Many parts on VWs are the same ones you will find on Audis or Porches, at half the price.
The GTI is essentially an A3. The R is the exact same engine/chassis/gearbox as an S3.
And DAT GERMAN ENGINEERING.
Also not to mention they are some of the safest cars on the road.

I was recently in the first car crash of my life. I was over-exhausted from working a 65 hour work week with barely any sleep at all.. and having not eaten all day. Was a bad combination.
Was driving home from work, getting off an offramp... and my brain just shut down. I just completely blacked out, out of nowhere.. one second I was fine.. next second I wake up smashing head first into a tree at 40-45MPH.

The damage:


That tree fucked my shit up. But the car did what it was designed to do - absorbed almost all the impact. That front end is pushed in a good 2-3 feet.
The impact was so hard it ripped my front roof rack off.

The damage to me? minor bump on the forehead from the side airbag, and three compression fractures in lower vertebrae (from the seatbelt from crashing so hard).
I was in the hospital two days and walked out of there. Minor fractures... wore a brace for a week and have been healing naturally. I didn't even miss a day of work.
It could have been a LOT, LOT, LOT worse. I got lucky really. Really fucking lucky.
But I have ZERO DOUBT that the VW saved my life. Things are built like a fucking tank and have tons of safety features.
If I was driving a Honda, I would probably be dead right now.

I'm VAG for life. They are quality fucking automobiles. My last 3 cars have been VWs and I'm nothing but satisfied.
Audi is the exact same fucking thing for the most part.. with fancier interiors and different styling at 2-3x the price.


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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: Shroomism]
    #23555424 - 08/18/16 10:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

While they may be quality cars now, let's not forget the two decade long time period where they were honestly built like garbage.  There were lots ov cool cars built by VW/audi from around '80 to the early '00s, but reliable machines they were not.


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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: lavod]
    #23555442 - 08/18/16 10:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm talking about now, not 30 years ago :wink:
Some people still love those old air cooled beetles though.
Yeah they have had some problems and shitty slushbox transmissions through the years... and electrical problems.. and CELs and various other things.

But the MK7s are the highest level of refinement they have ever produced.
And the new dual clutch DSG transmissions are pretty much fucking bulletproof and are FASTER than a manual by a pretty big margin. AND get better gas mileage.
Even the SUPER diehard manual-for-life guys I know, got DSGs on their newest cars because they are THAT much better than manual.
Doesn't matter how good of a driver you are. DSG wins in the 0-60 and 1/8 - 1/4 mile by a good chunk. Pro drivers side by side, identical cars, only difference is the trans.
You just can't beat millisecond shifts without dropping RPMs at all, no matter how good you are at driving manual.

People were upset when they phased out the VR6... but the new Gen3 2.O TSI/TFSI engines are fucking awesome and can make some pretty ridiculous gains with aftermarket upgrades.

They certainly did make some unreliable cars in the past.. but the recent crop is money


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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: Xingu]
    #23555556 - 08/18/16 11:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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why the hell would anyone in america buy one of those rolling shitboxes




3100 lbs and handles well, with 240 ft lbs of torque and gets 45mpg on the highway. VW/Audi is a pretty solid company, until this. Still they're offering me more than I paid for it 50k miles ago, I'm not complaining for a second. I'll be the guy laughing at the bank.




You do realize the REASON you got 45mpg on the highway was BECAUSE of the emissions cheat, right?
After this "emissions fix".. those TDIs are gonna get way worse gas mileage. Which is fucking retarded, because they are going to end up putting out more pollution. And most trucks put out way more to begin with.

VW's intention for the cheat was to maximize consumer benefit and ultimately achieve the highest satisfaction possible. Who doesn't love 45+ MPG in a vehicle that has torque for days?
Because the EPA fucking sucks... they didn't have any of these problems in the Euro market. So they wrote a software that gave a different number, ok? GM, Ford, Toyota have had millions of vehicles recalled and tons of deaths because of faulty equipment. Anyone remember when Prius vehicle's gas pedal was getting stuck at full throttle?
Ok, they were caught in a loop hole in the system, but what manufacturer hasn't found loop holes. I guarantee Ford, GM and Dodge diesel trucks are the same. And what of this "rolling coal" phenomenon? Guarantee those guys are putting out metric shittons of emissions.
In the end.. was anyone hurt or killed by their "cheating"? No... it just benefited the consumer. And look.. you're going to benefit even more from it!

Also the EPA poisoned a GIANT FUCKING RIVER, "accidentally" spilling 3 fucking million gallons of toxic waste into it.... like a few weeks/months before they charged VW with this "scandal".. and who's holding the EPA accountable and making them pay billions in fines? Oh that's right.. no one because they have impunity. They don't hold themselves to the same standards. EPA is a fucking joke.


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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: Shroomism]
    #23555602 - 08/18/16 11:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Also check out this sweet custom license plate one of my TDI buddies got :rofl:



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    #23555635 - 08/19/16 12:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

can confirm about the parts being the same. many of the parts on my 98 passat had the audi logo on them lol


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    #23555663 - 08/19/16 12:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah for reals though. The VW Golf R is the EXACT same engine, transmission, drivetrain and chassis as the Audi S3. Exact. Same.
Of course they do cheap out on some parts and downgrade stuff for the more "economical" models. But tons of VW models share the same parts as much more expensive Audis, some even have Porsche parts.


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    #23555670 - 08/19/16 12:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I am a mitsubishi fan personally. i liked how nice the vw's drove and all, but they seem to be problematic and difficult to fix, you need manufacturer made tools made especially for vw's, i dont need that to fix stuff on my mitsu. my car also doesn't have the best crash ratings, so :shrug:


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    #23555732 - 08/19/16 01:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Not really unless you are doing specialized stuff. Most stuff you can do with a basic set of tools, metric sockets and a triple square set. That will handle 90% of stuff you can or would want to do yourself.
Problematic.. maybe on the older models... those 98-00s did have a lot of issues.
The only real problems I had on my last 3 VWs (MK4 GTI, MK4 GLI, MK6 GLI) was the transmission shit out on my MK4 GLI.. at 160k miles.
That was the shitty old generation Trannies too.. the shitty Tiptronics which were problematic. Surprised it lasted 160k actually. The new DSGs are 1000x better.

Other then that I have hardly had any problems at all. GTI ran like a dream aside from some minor electrical issues which were fixed.. and the MK6 GLI was completely flawless from day one until it died a terrible tree death 3 years later.
I do take pristine care of my cars though with maintenance and everything. VWs (or any German car for that matter) are ones you really don't want to neglect maintenance on. That's true for ANY car but it's especially true for over-engineered German cars. If you keep on top of maintenance most of them will last you a long long time barring some rare issue. Or the water pump going out on MK6 GTIs lol... which was usually caused from or accelerated severely because of poor maintenance.

Yes VW did make a lot of fking fast... but unreliable cars over the years, no doubt about that.. but the past ~10 years or so.. their vehicles have just gotten better and better and better.
I remember I had an old 88 Rabbit back in the day and that thing was fun as fuck but had SOOOoo many problems.
Not so much for any of the newer ones I have had. They are much, much, much more reliable than they used to be. And the MK7s are just... refined as a motherfucker.


Mitsubishi makes some nice cars for sure....but recently I had to a rent a Lancer while on a trip for work and the lack of low end power and torque pissed me off so much after driving VWs for like the last 10 years.. heh


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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: something super extreme]
    #23555807 - 08/19/16 03:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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:lol: tough crowd!


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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: Shroomism]
    #23556047 - 08/19/16 07:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm talking about now, not 30 years ago :wink:
Some people still love those old air cooled beetles though.





I'll always have a place in my heart for aircooleds.  I miss my old bugs with a passion.  I even miss my old WCVWs to a degree. I love many VWs, unreliable or not(the aircooleds were'nt bad at all), but have to recognize that many were trash on the reliability spectrum.  When i used to go to the shows, we used to have fun counting all the MK2 VWs that were broken down on the side ov the road since it was always several. 

Thank you for acknowledging that vw has had MANY quality and reliability issues in the past.  One thing that amazes me with so many enthusiasts ov German cars, especially VW/audi and BMW, is their denial that the automaker ov their obsession ever produced junk.  They will go to great lengths to defend their beloved automaker.  This is in complete contrast with enthusiasts ov English cars who go to great lengths to think up new jokes about why the cars were rubbish reliability wise.  I've been involved in both worlds and the contrast is huge.


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    #23556322 - 08/19/16 09:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Oh don't get me wrong,  I may be a diehard veedub enthusiast... but I'm part of a LARGE local VW/Audi group, we like to talk shit on them too from time to time in good fun :lol:





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    #23556346 - 08/19/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Lancer is what i have. Not the fastest thing i've ever driven (did high end valet) but i like the reliability and ease of working on it - it's also a 2006. The new lancers come with far more power than mine, but if you want one that even starts to compare to your vws from the past, you have to start with the ralliart, with iirc 230ish and a turbo, not sure of the torque. It's comparable to the gli jetta my friend recently bought, manual, new. Which has about the same hp. Both are really nice cars


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    #23556554 - 08/19/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Those Japanese know a thing or two about building a car, that's fer damn sure. I used to drive a 240SX, that car was fun as fuck.
There's just too much love in mah heart for the German engineering. Japanese would be my second pick for sure though.


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    #23556583 - 08/19/16 11:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The person I know with one is being offered like $6k


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    #23556593 - 08/19/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

no. i only buy american cars.


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    #23557020 - 08/19/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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why the hell would anyone in america buy one of those rolling shitboxes




3100 lbs and handles well, with 240 ft lbs of torque and gets 45mpg on the highway. VW/Audi is a pretty solid company, until this. Still they're offering me more than I paid for it 50k miles ago, I'm not complaining for a second. I'll be the guy laughing at the bank.




You do realize the REASON you got 45mpg on the highway was BECAUSE of the emissions cheat, right?
After this "emissions fix".. those TDIs are gonna get way worse gas mileage. Which is fucking retarded, because they are going to end up putting out more pollution. And most trucks put out way more to begin with.

VW's intention for the cheat was to maximize consumer benefit and ultimately achieve the highest satisfaction possible. Who doesn't love 45+ MPG in a vehicle that has torque for days?
Because the EPA fucking sucks... they didn't have any of these problems in the Euro market. So they wrote a software that gave a different number, ok? GM, Ford, Toyota have had millions of vehicles recalled and tons of deaths because of faulty equipment. Anyone remember when Prius vehicle's gas pedal was getting stuck at full throttle?
Ok, they were caught in a loop hole in the system, but what manufacturer hasn't found loop holes. I guarantee Ford, GM and Dodge diesel trucks are the same. And what of this "rolling coal" phenomenon? Guarantee those guys are putting out metric shittons of emissions.
In the end.. was anyone hurt or killed by their "cheating"? No... it just benefited the consumer. And look.. you're going to benefit even more from it!

Also the EPA poisoned a GIANT FUCKING RIVER, "accidentally" spilling 3 fucking million gallons of toxic waste into it.... like a few weeks/months before they charged VW with this "scandal".. and who's holding the EPA accountable and making them pay billions in fines? Oh that's right.. no one because they have impunity. They don't hold themselves to the same standards. EPA is a fucking joke.



I was under the impression that the reason for the suit was a computer program that told the computers doing the emissions testing that they met requirements when they didn't. The $7500.00 per car is to put the emission equipment on the cars that should have been there in the first place.


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    #23557139 - 08/19/16 02:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Are these guys being given cash and getting to keep their cars, or are they being asked to sell them back?

If the former, awesome. If the latter, it's not even worth it most of the time, and is really just damage control.


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    #23562361 - 08/21/16 08:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You do realize the REASON you got 45mpg on the highway was BECAUSE of the emissions cheat, right?
After this "emissions fix".. those TDIs are gonna get way worse gas mileage. Which is fucking retarded, because they are going to end up putting out more pollution. And most trucks put out way more to begin with.





That is not the main reason. Diesel and turbochargers are fundamentally superior in a thermodynamic capacity than natural aspiration and regular gasoline. They don't need to cheat emissions to have that superiority. If they actually fixed the issue, or designed it without this initially, they would still get great mileage, just likely with 10-20% less torque which would still make a well balanced performance profile.

Seriously, learn about cars and the science behind them occasionally if you're going to come on here and condescend to people about them. It's not an accident that essentially all tractor trailer engines are turbo diesel.


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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: Xingu]
    #23562601 - 08/21/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That's a big part of the reason on the TDIs. They may still get better gas mileage after the fix than gas powered, but it's not going to be the 45+MPG TDI guys were getting before.
Zero doubt about it. Gas mileage WILL be worse than before as will performance.
Also I wasn't condescending to anyone....


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    #23562622 - 08/21/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Are these guys being given cash and getting to keep their cars, or are they being asked to sell them back?

If the former, awesome. If the latter, it's not even worth it most of the time, and is really just damage control.




You get an offer. Keep the car, get it "fixed" and get cash, or they buyback the car and you get cash.


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