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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: 404]
#23555663 - 08/19/16 12:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah for reals though. The VW Golf R is the EXACT same engine, transmission, drivetrain and chassis as the Audi S3. Exact. Same. Of course they do cheap out on some parts and downgrade stuff for the more "economical" models. But tons of VW models share the same parts as much more expensive Audis, some even have Porsche parts.
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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: Shroomism]
#23555670 - 08/19/16 12:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am a mitsubishi fan personally. i liked how nice the vw's drove and all, but they seem to be problematic and difficult to fix, you need manufacturer made tools made especially for vw's, i dont need that to fix stuff on my mitsu. my car also doesn't have the best crash ratings, so
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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: 404]
#23555732 - 08/19/16 01:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not really unless you are doing specialized stuff. Most stuff you can do with a basic set of tools, metric sockets and a triple square set. That will handle 90% of stuff you can or would want to do yourself. Problematic.. maybe on the older models... those 98-00s did have a lot of issues. The only real problems I had on my last 3 VWs (MK4 GTI, MK4 GLI, MK6 GLI) was the transmission shit out on my MK4 GLI.. at 160k miles. That was the shitty old generation Trannies too.. the shitty Tiptronics which were problematic. Surprised it lasted 160k actually. The new DSGs are 1000x better.
Other then that I have hardly had any problems at all. GTI ran like a dream aside from some minor electrical issues which were fixed.. and the MK6 GLI was completely flawless from day one until it died a terrible tree death 3 years later. I do take pristine care of my cars though with maintenance and everything. VWs (or any German car for that matter) are ones you really don't want to neglect maintenance on. That's true for ANY car but it's especially true for over-engineered German cars. If you keep on top of maintenance most of them will last you a long long time barring some rare issue. Or the water pump going out on MK6 GTIs lol... which was usually caused from or accelerated severely because of poor maintenance.
Yes VW did make a lot of fking fast... but unreliable cars over the years, no doubt about that.. but the past ~10 years or so.. their vehicles have just gotten better and better and better. I remember I had an old 88 Rabbit back in the day and that thing was fun as fuck but had SOOOoo many problems. Not so much for any of the newer ones I have had. They are much, much, much more reliable than they used to be. And the MK7s are just... refined as a motherfucker.
Mitsubishi makes some nice cars for sure....but recently I had to a rent a Lancer while on a trip for work and the lack of low end power and torque pissed me off so much after driving VWs for like the last 10 years.. heh
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something super extreme said: why the hell would anyone in america buy one of those rolling shitboxes
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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: Shroomism]
#23556047 - 08/19/16 07:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: I'm talking about now, not 30 years ago  Some people still love those old air cooled beetles though.
I'll always have a place in my heart for aircooleds. I miss my old bugs with a passion. I even miss my old WCVWs to a degree. I love many VWs, unreliable or not(the aircooleds were'nt bad at all), but have to recognize that many were trash on the reliability spectrum. When i used to go to the shows, we used to have fun counting all the MK2 VWs that were broken down on the side ov the road since it was always several.
Thank you for acknowledging that vw has had MANY quality and reliability issues in the past. One thing that amazes me with so many enthusiasts ov German cars, especially VW/audi and BMW, is their denial that the automaker ov their obsession ever produced junk. They will go to great lengths to defend their beloved automaker. This is in complete contrast with enthusiasts ov English cars who go to great lengths to think up new jokes about why the cars were rubbish reliability wise. I've been involved in both worlds and the contrast is huge.
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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: lavod] 1
#23556322 - 08/19/16 09:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh don't get me wrong, I may be a diehard veedub enthusiast... but I'm part of a LARGE local VW/Audi group, we like to talk shit on them too from time to time in good fun 

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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: Shroomism]
#23556346 - 08/19/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lancer is what i have. Not the fastest thing i've ever driven (did high end valet) but i like the reliability and ease of working on it - it's also a 2006. The new lancers come with far more power than mine, but if you want one that even starts to compare to your vws from the past, you have to start with the ralliart, with iirc 230ish and a turbo, not sure of the torque. It's comparable to the gli jetta my friend recently bought, manual, new. Which has about the same hp. Both are really nice cars
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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: 404]
#23556554 - 08/19/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Those Japanese know a thing or two about building a car, that's fer damn sure. I used to drive a 240SX, that car was fun as fuck. There's just too much love in mah heart for the German engineering. Japanese would be my second pick for sure though.
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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: Shroomism]
#23556583 - 08/19/16 11:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The person I know with one is being offered like $6k
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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: abltsandwich] 2
#23556593 - 08/19/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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no. i only buy american cars.
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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: Shroomism]
#23557020 - 08/19/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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something super extreme said: why the hell would anyone in america buy one of those rolling shitboxes
3100 lbs and handles well, with 240 ft lbs of torque and gets 45mpg on the highway. VW/Audi is a pretty solid company, until this. Still they're offering me more than I paid for it 50k miles ago, I'm not complaining for a second. I'll be the guy laughing at the bank.
You do realize the REASON you got 45mpg on the highway was BECAUSE of the emissions cheat, right? After this "emissions fix".. those TDIs are gonna get way worse gas mileage. Which is fucking retarded, because they are going to end up putting out more pollution. And most trucks put out way more to begin with.
VW's intention for the cheat was to maximize consumer benefit and ultimately achieve the highest satisfaction possible. Who doesn't love 45+ MPG in a vehicle that has torque for days? Because the EPA fucking sucks... they didn't have any of these problems in the Euro market. So they wrote a software that gave a different number, ok? GM, Ford, Toyota have had millions of vehicles recalled and tons of deaths because of faulty equipment. Anyone remember when Prius vehicle's gas pedal was getting stuck at full throttle? Ok, they were caught in a loop hole in the system, but what manufacturer hasn't found loop holes. I guarantee Ford, GM and Dodge diesel trucks are the same. And what of this "rolling coal" phenomenon? Guarantee those guys are putting out metric shittons of emissions. In the end.. was anyone hurt or killed by their "cheating"? No... it just benefited the consumer. And look.. you're going to benefit even more from it!
Also the EPA poisoned a GIANT FUCKING RIVER, "accidentally" spilling 3 fucking million gallons of toxic waste into it.... like a few weeks/months before they charged VW with this "scandal".. and who's holding the EPA accountable and making them pay billions in fines? Oh that's right.. no one because they have impunity. They don't hold themselves to the same standards. EPA is a fucking joke.
I was under the impression that the reason for the suit was a computer program that told the computers doing the emissions testing that they met requirements when they didn't. The $7500.00 per car is to put the emission equipment on the cars that should have been there in the first place.
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Are these guys being given cash and getting to keep their cars, or are they being asked to sell them back?
If the former, awesome. If the latter, it's not even worth it most of the time, and is really just damage control.
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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: Shroomism]
#23562361 - 08/21/16 08:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: You do realize the REASON you got 45mpg on the highway was BECAUSE of the emissions cheat, right? After this "emissions fix".. those TDIs are gonna get way worse gas mileage. Which is fucking retarded, because they are going to end up putting out more pollution. And most trucks put out way more to begin with.
That is not the main reason. Diesel and turbochargers are fundamentally superior in a thermodynamic capacity than natural aspiration and regular gasoline. They don't need to cheat emissions to have that superiority. If they actually fixed the issue, or designed it without this initially, they would still get great mileage, just likely with 10-20% less torque which would still make a well balanced performance profile.
Seriously, learn about cars and the science behind them occasionally if you're going to come on here and condescend to people about them. It's not an accident that essentially all tractor trailer engines are turbo diesel.
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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: Xingu]
#23562601 - 08/21/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's a big part of the reason on the TDIs. They may still get better gas mileage after the fix than gas powered, but it's not going to be the 45+MPG TDI guys were getting before. Zero doubt about it. Gas mileage WILL be worse than before as will performance. Also I wasn't condescending to anyone....
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Re: anyone getting 20k from vw [Re: PatrickKn]
#23562622 - 08/21/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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PatrickKn said: Are these guys being given cash and getting to keep their cars, or are they being asked to sell them back?
If the former, awesome. If the latter, it's not even worth it most of the time, and is really just damage control.
You get an offer. Keep the car, get it "fixed" and get cash, or they buyback the car and you get cash.
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