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 collie man
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 VW bus. 
#15196563 - 10/08/11 03:33 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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So i have been looking for a new car recently
And found a add for a 1973 VW bus, 87000 miles For 4700$
I already called the guy up (real old raspy voice)
and am meeting him tomorrow at 10 to look at it.
Does any one on the shroomery know of any problems with these buses?
like faulty transmissions or other problems i should look for?
I have the money for it so if it all checks out its very likely ill get it.
Will update tomorrow with pics when i get to look at it.
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The engines are amazing. And the tranny is bulletproof.
I'm sure you know that the engines are air cooled also.
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bring a magnet. check the panels where it 'rolls' to the floor pan.
check the floor pan for rust.
ask when the last time the clutch cable has been replaced.
smell the oil from the dipstick. if it has alot of greyish matter or smells wayyyyyy to much like fuel could be an idication of running rich and fuel will wash the oil off the cylinder walls causing premature wear.
check for rust, check for rust, check for rust.
www.thesamba.com will help you more.
and 87,000 miles on it could mean that it could have 287,000 miles on it cause they are known to roll over quite a bit.
oil leaks are ok as long as they are not severe. most of them can easily be spotted.
if you look underneath and see the case halves by the drain plug if they have any silicon on them stay away.
ask him what size motor is in it.
any recent motor repairs, new clutch, carb etc.
check the carb linkage.. move it up and down. should be tight. if it is loose your going to have to rebuild the carb.
check and make sure all tins are in tact.
check the shifter for alot of slop (an easy fix) but too much can make it a bit of a bitch to shift.
ummm check for rust.
thats all i have off the top of my head at the moment.
make sure the wipers work.
check all the turn signals brake lights etc.
basically give it a hell of a once over.
these cars are old.. most of the repairs have been hacked together by shade tree mechanics. the last thing you want is more surprises in the next few days.
make sure all the jack, and spare equipment is there.
ask him about the fuel guage. does it work or is it stuck?
check the transmission mounts.
check the seal around the motor.
i think thats all i have at the moement
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rackem
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Re: VW bus. [Re: rackem]
#15196660 - 10/08/11 03:55 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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check the battery tray for rust.
check tire conditions. google "tire wear patterns" if your not familiar.
remember its a 73 its gonna need work. and i am soo jealous of you right now. i want a bus.
what kinda of a bus is it anyways?
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Re: VW bus. [Re: rackem] 1
#15196669 - 10/08/11 03:57 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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As your lawyer, I recommend that you buy the bus.
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collie man
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Im not expecting it to be in primo condition.
And im not afraid to put some work and money into it.
But i really dont want it to be a project.
Ill be going over every thing you said when im there.
And im not to sure what type it is, ill be finding out tomorrow.
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understand that man.
if ya need any help with anything let me know.
doing your own work on an acvw is very rewarding.
the only bummer part is that some of the gnarliest of things can be easily covered up by the current owner.
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Re: VW bus. [Re: rackem]
#15196773 - 10/08/11 04:28 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was looking into getting a vw bus or one of the similar types out there. don't have much advice but am posting to keep an eye on replies. I hope its exactly what you want. good luck!
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collie man
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As promised.
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$4700 seems kind of steep to me 
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for a northern vehicle that's almost 40 years old it looks to be in remarkably good shape, only minimal rust
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collie man
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Im sure he can be talked down. I was expecting it to be in worse shape then it is.
When its all said and done, it will be fun to drive around in.
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i wanted one of those but i got a chevy blazer instead 
whatevs i woulda looked freakish pullin into my high school parkin lot with a vw bus back in highschool
or pullin into campus now lol
even tho i always loked freakish with my freakish hair
freakish
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Re: VW bus. [Re: Sheekle] 1
#15200858 - 10/09/11 02:49 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Having owned several 1980's Mercedes diesels, and being familiar with the problems and complications that come with the sheer age of a vehicle like this, le t me fore warn you...
Replacement parts will be hard to find, and expensive if and when you do...
Rust at this age is pretty much a gaurante , I have had my drivers seat rust through the floor pan before...
And when you do break down, you will be out of commission for a while.
So bottom line, if you want this for a Fu n project vehicle, by all means, go for it, but if you are buying it for reliable transportation, you are making a mistake.
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Re: VW bus. [Re: ZippoZ]
#15200917 - 10/09/11 03:02 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah my biggest concern is the engine. The body and interior has aged well.
But like i said im not afraid to put some money into it.
And hunting for parts could be fun. I just dont want a project,
and by that i mean 3-4+ months of work.
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Re: VW bus. [Re: ZippoZ]
#15200989 - 10/09/11 03:18 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
ZippoZ said:
Having owned several 1980's Mercedes diesels, and being familiar with the problems and complications that come with the sheer age of a vehicle like this, le t me fore warn you...
Replacement parts will be hard to find, and expensive if and when you do...
Rust at this age is pretty much a gaurante , I have had my drivers seat rust through the floor pan before...
And when you do break down, you will be out of commission for a while.
So bottom line, if you want this for a Fu n project vehicle, by all means, go for it, but if you are buying it for reliable transportation, you are making a mistake.
VW bug parts are everywhere. Now Mercedes, I wouldn't own one ever, nightmare vehicles, even the newer ones.
My 86 4runner, still needs work but runs good and is reliable. Even though the previous owners didn't treat it well. 5 years ago it still had Toyota factory '85 shock on it 
Can't wait to rebuild my spare engine and throw it in there to replace the one with 230,000 miles on it. 22re
You just need to make sure if you buy something old that it is a very common old vehicle and take care of rust when you see it. The cancer, it has a cure(unless it is to late).
Hell my mother in law's ex was thinking of going back to only repairing and souping up VW's.
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Re: VW bus. [Re: ZippoZ]
#15201777 - 10/09/11 05:56 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
ZippoZ said:
Having owned several 1980's Mercedes diesels, and being familiar with the problems and complications that come with the sheer age of a vehicle like this, le t me fore warn you...
Replacement parts will be hard to find, and expensive if and when you do...
Rust at this age is pretty much a gaurante , I have had my drivers seat rust through the floor pan before...
And when you do break down, you will be out of commission for a while.
there's been so many restorations of these vehicles over the years there's
probably a dozen sources that will carry replacement parts, I bet there's
50 sources for the bug. the mercedes were popular when they were new, the
old VWs had the nostalgia thing going for them so people have been buying
them up for decades and keeping them, I did a paint job on a bug from the
early 60s one that had a layer of paint for each time it passed through to
another of this guy's family members, it probably had 30 layers of paint
and while feathering out cracks and fixing a few spots you could see brush
and roller marks in several of the layers
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So bottom line, if you want this for a Fu n project vehicle, by all means, go for it, but if you are buying it for reliable transportation, you are making a mistake.
if it runs and drives now that thing will be dependable other than a few
things like starters, belts and hoses, even rebuilding the things isnt
that expensive compared to trying to rebuild a mercedes. replacement parts
for VWs are too common and that drives the price down
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Oh yeah, you have to adjust the valves and do the oil change very 3000 miles. Otherwise you here the valve slap which most VW of yesteryear are known to sound like. WHICH IS WRONG.
The mom in law is in the house.
Her ex old man built this up faster, He's in the red.
Not sure what this race is but sometime a year or or so a go he broke a track record.
VW parts are out there, the internet is your friend and I think just about every large town had a VW specialist, at least from what I have seen, west coast wise.
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Re: VW bus. [Re: 4runner]
#15202017 - 10/09/11 06:58 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh yeah, you have to adjust the valves and do the oil change very 3000 miles. Otherwise you here the valve slap which most VW of yesteryear are known to sound like. WHICH IS WRONG.
only for a short period on new or rebuild engines, most metal components
under heat and tension will stretch but they only stretch a little and after
a couple of adjustments they''ll have reached the end of their stretch period
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Re: VW bus. [Re: 4runner]
#15202107 - 10/09/11 07:19 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh yeah, you have to adjust the valves and do the oil change very 3000 miles.
Also I'm pretty sure that unless someone installed an aftermarket oil filter, You probably want to change it at 2k miles.
The engines only came with a metal oil strainer. Not an actual filter.
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Nope, not with the wonderful VW engines of old.
It might hold trues to the 80's plus engines but those old 70's air cooled engines... yes, adjust the valves. It is easy to do. That slap you hear from most bugs and vans you drive by driving is not what it is supposed to sound like.
Fix that shit, easy peasy.
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sjfrockerdude said:
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anunnakian said:
Oh yeah, you have to adjust the valves and do the oil change very 3000 miles.
Also I'm pretty sure that unless someone installed an aftermarket oil filter, You probably want to change it at 2k miles.
The engines only came with a metal oil strainer. Not an actual filter.
Could be, I was just told 3k.
No wait, that does not make sense.
A filter is a filter.
Are thinking about some oil cooler or something?
Dammit I am drunk what you said is just plain wrong... now that I read it 3 times.
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Re: VW bus. [Re: 4runner]
#15202312 - 10/09/11 08:16 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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if i got a VW bus i'd prolly psychedelacize it and start a revolution (after finding a good LSD connect of course)
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Re: VW bus. [Re: 4runner]
#15202317 - 10/09/11 08:18 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Stock "filter" is an oversized tea strainer.
Would you rather have oil filtered through a tea strainer or an actual oil filter?
PS: I'm drunk too.
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Edited by sjfrockerdude (10/09/11 08:20 PM)
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Re: VW bus. [Re: Sheekle]
#15202321 - 10/09/11 08:18 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Im thinking a nice shroomey paint job across the side.
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Quote:
sjfrockerdude said:
The Stock "filter" is an oversized tea strainer.
Would you rather have oil filtered through a tea strainer or an actual oil filter?
PS: I'm drunk too.
Well shit...
I got no one to ask right now and well... pictures.
I am gonna go smoke a bowl and scratch my head.
I am dumbfounded 
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Re: VW bus. [Re: 4runner]
#15202490 - 10/09/11 09:06 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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oil filter conversions are easy.
so is the valve adjustment. after a few times you can do theg. oil change/valve adjustment/new valve cover gaskets in 20 minutes. its no big thang.
honda made a tool for a valve adjustment that is titties and beer for it.
set of feeler guages are a must. (dont cheap out on them) crafstman makes a usable set.
and comparing an 80s deisel mercedes to a 70s vw bus is apples and oranges man.
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Re: VW bus. [Re: rackem]
#15202567 - 10/09/11 09:20 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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here is that tool if anybody is curious
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Re: VW bus. [Re: rackem]
#15202579 - 10/09/11 09:22 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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here is that tool if anybody is curious
Thanks man, I've been looking into getting a bug for a while now, so this is good info to know. 
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not a problem... its bitchin cause it has the flat head screwdriver and the socket all it one.. beats doing it the old fashioned way.
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Re: VW bus. [Re: rackem]
#15202744 - 10/09/11 09:52 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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My grandfather has one of those snap on tool sets. The kind they bring in on a big ass snap on semi.
Ill probably use that to get it up to par.
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snap on tools kick ass..
i got shit tons.. probably more than i need but its a good show piece. expensive tools, great warranty
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Re: VW bus. [Re: 4runner]
#15202867 - 10/09/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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anunnakian said:
Nope, not with the wonderful VW engines of old.
It might hold trues to the 80's plus engines but those old 70's air cooled engines... yes, adjust the valves. It is easy to do. That slap you hear from most bugs and vans you drive by driving is not what it is supposed to sound like.
Fix that shit, easy peasy.
change the rockers. with tens of millions of these on the road in the US
alone you dont think someone has developed a rocker arm that would fix
that issue.... a one time replacement at $60+/-. a roller rocker or a
version with a beefier screw or a better setting system?
they've done it with every other car that's frequently hotrodded
if valve stretch isnt the issue then it's in the rocker arms. what would
be the most likely culprit? something with the screw. setting the lash
could be as easy as a few shims replace the assembly with an after market
set designed for performance.
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roller rockers have their advantages.
but why on a stock motor that takes litteraly no time to adjust correctly?
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Re: VW bus. [Re: rackem]
#15203192 - 10/09/11 11:20 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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it's the inconvenience
I've never seen them get out of adjustment as frequently as oil changes are
needed unless they were old, worn parts or being reused without being refurb'd
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ya i get that part.. if it was for a hi po motor.
but 20 minutes of time while you do the oil change aint that big of a deal.
plus you get a reason to put new valve cover gaskets in while your at it. keep those oil leaks to a min 
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Re: VW bus. [Re: rackem]
#15205325 - 10/10/11 01:03 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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wow, i had no idea that these things were so popular, with replacment parts available
it looks like an awesome ride to have....
that being said, its still a 30 year old car, and that has to come with some issues... personally if you're mechanically inclined, and arent gonna loose a job if and when it breaks down, id say go for it
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As promised.
Is it me or does that old man in the electric wheelchair look like a ZZ top version of Terence McKenna ?
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So....did the OP wind up getting the bus??
Man y`all are going to hate me! Just got word I am to be the new owner of a '67 split windshield bus. Original owner....everything is there. Was running when parked 5 years ago. I haven`t seen it but I know it is worth the more $ in parts alone than what he has agreed to. It`s bottom half is red and the top is white. Freakin original owner....all for the whopping sum of $700! 
Hoping to maybe have it road worthy by x-mas....going to mack the bitch out with x-mas tree lights inside and out! 
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