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Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists?
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So I've been watching some feminist channels on YouTube for humor and it struck me, do libertarians (not anarchists but actual libertarians) come off this crazy to the average person?

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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: BlackWidow]
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I don't know. I'm both and the non-average populace of Shroomery think I'm crazy. So I'm sure society does too.

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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: D.M.T]
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Same here. No one wants to hear my rants about the evils of a military-industrial complex backed by christian propaganda.


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Rocks speak to me, and tell me this:
The Hell Creek formation is a gigantic slab of rocks that covers several western states. It contains an account of the dinosaurs' demise.  In the late Cretaceous period, the first Cannabis species appear, and soon after, all the non-bird dinosaurs disappeared. Obviously, marihuana killed the dinosaurs. That giant meteor that smacked the yucatan peninsula right afterwards, coincidence.

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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: D.M.T]
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Real feminism is not crazy. Its all about equality. Don't let some retards on youtube inform you on an international movement. There is nothing crazy about desiring equality. And to anyone who thinks that there is equality among the sexes: Your neighborhood and places of work don't represent the entire world.

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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: HardTrippin] * 3
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^ I think that is verging on the "no true scotsman" fallacy.  There is no such thing as a "real" feminist.  They come in all sorts and none are inherently more legitimate than others.  There is no external metric which allows us to judge the "realness" of one vs the other.

In my experience, feminism is rarely about equality though it might purport to be.  It is infact often about man hating and society hating.  The latter of which is very similar to libertarianism.

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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: DieCommie] * 1
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Not true, but your natural male defense systems would make you assume it is.

Actually, come to think of it, I think feminists are more accepted then libertarians overall. Libertarians are probably seen as even more crazy.

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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: HardTrippin]
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HardTrippin said:
Real feminism is not crazy. Its all about equality. Don't let some retards on youtube inform you on an international movement. There is nothing crazy about desiring equality. And to anyone who thinks that there is equality among the sexes: Your neighborhood and places of work don't represent the entire world.


The movement I see is the new law in California. They have changed consent laws to no means no to yes means yes. Sounds good? Not really. Been married for 10 years and want to have sex with the wife? You have to ask her verbally for consent for everything you do or it's legally considered rape. This means every time you have sex you must ask; Can I finger you? Can I go down on you? Can I put it in? Every fucking time you want to have sex with your wife, or you are technically "raping" her.

This has nothing to do with equality.

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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: D.M.T]
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Nope, you are just making shit up.  You know nothing about my "male defense system" whatever the fuck that is.

Feminists are more accepted overall.  Hating on men and male attributes is politically correct and standard fare in today's western society.

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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: DieCommie] * 1
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Perhaps you should try listening to women instead of your inner dialogue and then you will understand what it means. :shrug:

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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: D.M.T]
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D.M.T said:
Perhaps you should try listening to women instead of your inner dialogue and then you will understand what it means. :shrug:


That a snide, passive aggressive assumption that is not meaningful, constructive or true.

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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: DieCommie]
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If you think feminism is about man-hating then it's clear you don't actually open your mind to their point of view. It's easy to make that assumption but it's not reality.

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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: BlackWidow]
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BlackWidow said:
HardTrippin said:
Real feminism is not crazy. Its all about equality. Don't let some retards on youtube inform you on an international movement. There is nothing crazy about desiring equality. And to anyone who thinks that there is equality among the sexes: Your neighborhood and places of work don't represent the entire world.


The movement I see is the new law in California. They have changed consent laws to no means no to yes means yes. Sounds good? Not really. Been married for 10 years and want to have sex with the wife? You have to ask her verbally for consent for everything you do or it's legally considered rape. This means every time you have sex you must ask; Can I finger you? Can I go down on you? Can I put it in? Every fucking time you want to have sex with your wife, or you are technically "raping" her.

This has nothing to do with equality.



One of the classics I have seen tossed around is the notion that you have to be completely sober to say yes at all.  If you have had a drink or a smoke you are not in your right mind, cannot consent even if you verbally say yes and thus any sexual activity engaged in is rape.  Rape of the female of course...  So every time my wife has had a drink or smoke and we had sex she was being raped.  Of course this view isnt mainstream feminism, buts disturbingly prevalent and a window onto the crazy that many feminists have.

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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: DieCommie]
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What seems more insane is some of the anti-feminist propaganda that is no more than urban legend, that is automatically accepted as fact by a person without them doing real research into a subject and its details.
Now, what kind of equality are we talking? Economic, legal, social, sexual?
Pay that equals the job, regardless of gender? Absolutely. Equal in civil and criminal courts? Of course. Equal treatment in child custody cases? Hell yes. The right to not be talked down to? Sure. Woman gets the door and the dinner tab? I am uncomfortable with this, believe it or not.
Also, pegging does not fix everything.


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Rocks speak to me, and tell me this:
The Hell Creek formation is a gigantic slab of rocks that covers several western states. It contains an account of the dinosaurs' demise.  In the late Cretaceous period, the first Cannabis species appear, and soon after, all the non-bird dinosaurs disappeared. Obviously, marihuana killed the dinosaurs. That giant meteor that smacked the yucatan peninsula right afterwards, coincidence.

Edited by Rockhound (09/22/14 12:00 AM)

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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: Rockhound]
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Rockhound said:
Also, pegging does not fix everything.


I don't think that's a feminist thing:burke: In fact I have the feeling most would agree with you there.

Every feminist I've met was submissive and into BDSM relationships, but your mileage may vary.

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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
One of the classics I have seen tossed around is the notion that you have to be completely sober to say yes at all.  If you have had a drink or a smoke you are not in your right mind, cannot consent even if you verbally say yes and thus any sexual activity engaged in is rape.  Rape of the female of course...  So every time my wife has had a drink or smoke and we had sex she was being raped.  Of course this view isnt mainstream feminism, buts disturbingly prevalent and a window onto the crazy that many feminists have.



That is just a reaction to the epidemic that drunken "date" rape is in America. And no one is going to go to jail for not asking their wife for a signed consent form, come on you know as well as I do it's to stop dudes from raping passed out females. Which every study everywhere says is an epidemic. It's not a law for married couples more like one for the dorm rooms. You just can't make a law that doesn't apply to married couples. If your wife is going to scream rape on you she is going to do it, this doesn't change anything. Unless you are a female who is borderline passed out on a would be rapists couch.
I have no problem with clarifying "is this okay" at any step of the act. If you do not I question why. Maybe you are worried she will change her mind? She has the right to do so at any point. I would hate to think a chick had sex with me only because she was drunk anyway, sober consent is a good thing. And if it was my young daughter half passed out I would want to kill the guy who took advantage because that is rape.
Too many guys would never get laid if it wasn't for alcohol so I can see where the radical feminists are coming from.

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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: my3rdeye]
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I seem to run across two breeds of "feminists". The loud self proclaimed ones, who scream about equality when really they spout shit like this:
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Just to recall a basic fact: Intercourse/PIV is always rape, plain and simple.




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ntercourse is the very means through which men oppress us, from which we are not allowed to escape, yet some instances of or PIV and intercourse may be chosen and free? That makes no sense at all.

First, well intercourse is NEVER sex for women. Only men experience rape as sexual and define it as such.


http://witchwind.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/piv-is-always-rape-ok/


And the second breed tends to not even really identify with the feminist movement and talks about actual equality. The "anti-feminist" women.


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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: psyconaught]
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I have no problem with clarifying "is this okay" at any step of the act. If you do not I question why. Maybe you are worried she will change her mind?


:lolwut:

I actually used to ask this kind of stuff when I was nervous with sex and several of them told me it was a giant turnoff. Its all about slowly going into it and making sure they're enjoying it. Use common sense. Fuck, these people are delusional as hell. Have you people never had sex or something?

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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: BlackWidow]
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Libertarianism is at the other end of the unfeasible spectrum from communism.


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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Libertarianism is at the other end of the unfeasible spectrum from communism.


you mean anarchy? Something tells me you don't fully understand what libertarianism is.


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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: psyconaught]
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psyconaught said:
The Ecstatic said:
Libertarianism is at the other end of the unfeasible spectrum from communism.


you mean anarchy? Something tells me you don't fully understand what libertarianism is.


Anarchy and communism are pretty similar in that they both are without a state.


Yet while most offshoots of communism call for broad state powers and control, libertarianism is exactly the opposite.

:themoreyouknow:


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