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Re: feminists [Re: Silversoul]
    #5582290 - 05/02/06 05:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, that is a big part of it. There tends to be a lot of passive-aggressive competition between women, and this interferes with any effort towards change. Also, in my experience, women rarely trust each other.


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Re: feminists [Re: Veritas]
    #5582532 - 05/02/06 06:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Pornography is murder!


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Re: feminists [Re: Silversoul]
    #5582959 - 05/02/06 08:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Holy shit...you changed your nick back to your old name.


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Re: feminists [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5582964 - 05/02/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

good thing too, because Paradigms don't last as long or sound as cool as silversouls.


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Re: feminists [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5583687 - 05/02/06 10:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I just came across this in a jokes forum and thought of this thread. These are letters to Santa from Barbie and Ken. They relate to the subject in a funny way.


Dear Santa,

Listen you fat troll, I've been saving your bacon every year, being the perfect Christmas Present, wearing skimpy bathing suits in December and dressing in fake Channel at sappy tea parties.

I hate to break it to ya Santa, but it's payback time. There had better be some changes around here, or I'm gonna call for a nationwide meltdown, and trust me, you don't wanna be around to smell it.

These are my demands for Christmas 1999:

Sweat pants and an oversized sweatshirt. I'm sick of looking like a hooker in hot pink bikinis. Do you have any idea what it feels like to have nylon and velcro up your butt? I don't suppose you do.
Real underwear that can be pulled on and off. That cheap-o molded underwear some genius at Mattel came up with looks like cellulite!
A REAL man... I don't care if you have to go to Hasbro to get him, bring me GI JOE. Hell, I'd take Tickle-Me-Elmo over that pathetic bump of a boy-toy Ken. And what was up with that earring anyway? HELLO!?
It's about time you made us all anatomically correct. Give me arms that actually bend so I can push the aforementioned Ken-wimp away once he is anatomically correct.
Breast reduction surgery. 'Nuff said.
A jog-bra. To wear until I get the surgery.
A new career. Pet doctor and school teacher don't cut it. I want to make real money.
A new, more 90's persona. Maybe "PMS Barbie", complete with a pint of cookie dough ice cream and a bag of chips.
No more McDonald's endorsements. The grease is wrecking my vinyl complexion.
10. Mattel stock options. It's been 39 years - I think I deserve a piece of the action.
Considering my valuable contribution to society and Mattel, I think these demands are reasonable. If you you don't like it you can find yourself a new bitch for next Christmas. It's that simple. As ever,
Barbie.
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Dear Santa,


It has come to my attention that one of my colleagues has petitioned for changes in her contract, specifically asking for anatomical and career changes. In addition, it is my understanding that disparaging remarks were made about me, my sexuality, and some of my fashion choices.


I would like to take this opportunity to inform you of issues concerning Ms. Barbie, as well as some of my own needs and desires:


First, I, alone with several of my colleagues feel Ms. Barbie DOES NOT deserve the preferential treatment she has received over the years. That bitch has everything. Neither I, nor Joe, Jem nor The Raggedys, Ann & Andy, have dreamhouses, Corvettes, dune buggies, evening gowns, and some of us do not even have the ability to change our hairstyle. I have a limited wardrobe, obviously designed to complement but never upstage Ms. Barbie.


My decision to accessorize with an earring was immediately quashed, which I protest, for it was my decision and reflects my lifestyle choice. I would like a change in my career to further explore my creative nature. Some options which could be considered are "Decorator Ken," "Beauty Salon Ken," or "Broadway Ken."


Other avenues which could be considered are: "Go-Go Ken," Impersonator Ken" (with wigs and gowns), or "West Hollywood Ken." These would more accurately reflect my interests and, I believe open up markets that have been underserved.


As for Ms. Barbie needing bendable arms so she can "push me away", I need bendable knees so I can kick the bitch to the curb. Bendable knees would also be helpful in other situations of which you are aware.


In closing, further concessions to the Blonde Bimbo from Hell, while the needs of others within my coalition are ignored, will result in legal action to be taken by myself and others.
And kindly tell Ms. Barbie she can forget about G.I. Joe... he's mine, at least that's what he said last night.


Sincerely, Ken


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Re: feminists [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5583897 - 05/02/06 10:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: feminists [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5584010 - 05/02/06 11:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I would have to agree with the first post in the sense of all social movements not knowing when to quit. Growing up, I can forsee many difficulties in being a white male. Now obviously many skeptics will say, "you have the world handed to you, blah blah." And while financially and educationally I am better poised than many, theres another side to it:
First of all, I am the scapegoat for all social injustice in the world. If I become the boss somewhere and fire someone from a job, they had better not be female or anything but caucasian or I will have the race/gender card pulled on me. Many people will consider anything I earn or achieve to have been spoon fed to me and I will get less credit, because the previous generation of white males simply passes the reins of power on to me. Basically, many will underappreciate my achievements and consider my sufferings less valuable because I can re-purchase happiness. Maybe I am just paranoid, but I can feel these kinds of thoughts all around me.


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Re: feminists [Re: CUBErt]
    #5585690 - 05/03/06 12:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

CUBErt said:
I would have to agree with the first post in the sense of all social movements not knowing when to quit. Growing up, I can forsee many difficulties in being a white male. Now obviously many skeptics will say, "you have the world handed to you, blah blah." And while financially and educationally I am better poised than many, theres another side to it:
First of all, I am the scapegoat for all social injustice in the world. If I become the boss somewhere and fire someone from a job, they had better not be female or anything but caucasian or I will have the race/gender card pulled on me. Many people will consider anything I earn or achieve to have been spoon fed to me and I will get less credit, because the previous generation of white males simply passes the reins of power on to me. Basically, many will underappreciate my achievements and consider my sufferings less valuable because I can re-purchase happiness. Maybe I am just paranoid, but I can feel these kinds of thoughts all around me.




As a rich, educated white male myself, I can attest to the fact that you are being a cry-baby. I don't mean to be harsh, but you really need to stop bitching about how hard it is to have power over everyone else. Today, everyone gets discriminated against for some reason or another, its just that finally white men are being discriminated against as well. You should be happy to finally be part of the club. Now you are getting a tiny taste of what it feels like to be everyone else. Think about that.


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but government at its best is but a necessary evil
 
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Re: feminists [Re: gluke bastid]
    #5586458 - 05/03/06 04:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I am saying it has gone too far in the opposite direction. People are too sensetive to race/gender issues. Things should be color blind. It bothers me to see people twist once-genuine social movements for their own personal gain. I don't like seeing a white male teacher put in an awkward position when he disciplines a student and the student says, "its cuz im Mexican." I never meant that I had things hard, in fact I tried to emphasize that I do not and will not. Rather, I just get to be blamed for what those before me did. Anyways, this no longer has to do with feminism that much, except that feminism has become another vessel for a group of people to gain equal rights in certain areas and then keep going.


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Re: feminists [Re: CUBErt]
    #5586491 - 05/03/06 04:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

CUBErt said:
I am saying it has gone too far in the opposite direction. People are too sensetive to race/gender issues. Things should be color blind. It bothers me to see people twist once-genuine social movements for their own personal gain. I don't like seeing a white male teacher put in an awkward position when he disciplines a student and the student says, "its cuz im Mexican." I never meant that I had things hard, in fact I tried to emphasize that I do not and will not. Rather, I just get to be blamed for what those before me did. Anyways, this no longer has to do with feminism that much, except that feminism has become another vessel for a group of people to gain equal rights in certain areas and then keep going.




What about when it really is because the student is mexican?


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Re: feminists [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5586506 - 05/03/06 04:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Then the teacher really ought to be taken care of. But you can usually tell when someone is getting singled out, or if they are just a straight up dick and they are the only one causing trouble and trying to capitalize on their race/gender


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Re: feminists [Re: CUBErt]
    #5586530 - 05/03/06 04:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, "you" can tell, assuming you were there in the moment, but what about the administrators? What if they are thinking, just like you were... 'just another damn kid trying to pull the race card...'


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Re: feminists [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5586620 - 05/03/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

And what if they never thought that, and always gave the kid the benefit of the doubt? They're would be an even greater shortage of teachers than there already is.

I don't think we will really get anywhere if we keep going into "what ifs."

I ovbiously think diversity is a good thing, but like any good thing it frustrates me more than anything to see it twisted into a tool for self-gain.


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Re: feminists [Re: CUBErt]
    #5586975 - 05/03/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Agreed, I was just pointing out that its not always as simple as you seemed to be suggesting...


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Re: feminists [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5588154 - 05/03/06 10:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Ah, fair enough.  :smile:


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Re: feminists [Re: CUBErt]
    #5589877 - 05/04/06 12:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You know for the most part I hear you Yankees up north blabbering on about racism, a hell of a lot more than Anyone complains about it in texas. A man is a man in texas, the only sorts that get discriminated against in texas are crybabbies like cubert, and they come in all colors.

Women get a pretty short stick in Texas as well, but its not really that bad. Its more of a sexual harrasment "discrimination"(if you can really call it that, most guys down here call it a compliment) attitude than a women are inferior one.

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Re: feminists [Re: blaze2]
    #5590484 - 05/04/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

blaze2 said:
Women get a pretty short stick in Texas as well, but its not really that bad. Its more of a sexual harrasment "discrimination"(if you can really call it that, most guys down here call it a compliment) attitude than a women are inferior one.





There is a difference between "you look nice today" and "wow, great tits!"


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Re: feminists [Re: CUBErt]
    #5590490 - 05/04/06 03:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

CUBErt said:
There is a difference between "you look nice today" and "wow, great tits!"




There is?


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Re: feminists [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5590554 - 05/04/06 03:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

There is, to the woman at least


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Re: feminists [Re: CUBErt]
    #5590603 - 05/04/06 04:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Either phrase translates into "I want to fuck you" Here in texas women have figured out that it doesnt matter what a man says hes always thinking the same thing. Maybe they dont understand that elsewhere.


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