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DoctorJ


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#5578433 - 05/01/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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It is my opinion that Feminists, once proud warriors of the light, have become corrupted, crooked dictators. Women are no longer oppressed (at least in the western world), and therefore feminists no longer fight on the side of liberty and equality. Like most special interest groups, they don't know when to quit while they're ahead. As the Tao says, when your work isdone, retire!
We are now living in a society in which women have more rights than men. Men are second class citizens when compared to women. Not only do you have the awesome power to bring a human being into this world, you can also force the father to pay, or you can kill the kid, or you can give it up for adoption. I have no say in the matter. That's bullshit. If you want power, you must accept the responsibility that comes with it.
And before you girls out there get smart and say something like "Now you know what it feels like", I will remind you that I was born in 1981. Never in my lifetime have women been oppressed. So stop blaming me for the mistakes of my forefathers. They were wrong, but I am not.
Growing up, every television show told me that women were better than me. Every class in school hammered me full of white male guilt. The funny thing is, this has made me a wuss, which is exactly what women aren't attracted to! Once again, women have created a problem and then bitched about it.
Social institutions favor women. I have to pay for their dinner, open their doors, and open their pickle jars, all while keeping my mouth shut about their 'equality'. If I marry a women without a prenup (good luck not offendening a woman when asking her to sign one of those, BTW), well there goes half my shit.
So to all the feminists out there, I say this: Go somewhere you are NEEDED. Like Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, or any of the other places where women are still treated like animals. If you REALLY cared about the plight of women, you would take the fight to the front lines of the battle, instead of lording it over us men in the end zone.
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Re: feminists [Re: DoctorJ]
#5578496 - 05/01/06 07:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah! AND LEARN TO DRIVE!
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Re: feminists [Re: DoctorJ]
#5578616 - 05/01/06 07:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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unfortunately..i am forced to agree...even as a liberal (and a looney one at that)..i have always been more than a bit skeptical of feminism...
i often get called a "feminist"..and whether thats true depends on how the word is defined...for the purposes of this post..however..the words "feminism" and "feminst" will be taken to mean mainstream..intergrational feminism..which im..proud to say..definitely not...in fact..for reasons which will become clear below..this kind of feminism could more correctly be called "right-wing feminism"...
we can begin with the works of earlier feminist authors such as andrea dworkin..robin morgan..and everyones' favourite..the SCUM manifesto...substitute any given racial/ethnic minority for the word "men" in any of these lynx..and it immediately becomes white-supremacist hate propaganda (how much more liberal can you get?? )...and unfortunately for the left..they often inserted snippets of marxism-leninism amidst the rest of their hate-filled rantings...women back then were not initially fooled either..and immediately dismissed this new hate movement for what it was (but not for long)...
more recently..helen fisher has constructed even more direct and insidious links between feminism..racism..and the radical right...fisher claims that there are two kinds of women ..the biologically superior "web women" vs those who..like men..lack this capacity and are as such "biologically inferior"...to me..this sounds alot like a tin-pot dictator extolling the moral superiority of his followers..while lumping her detractors together with some war enemy and calling them both "morally inferior"...almost predictably..fisher lays a direct challenge to any female reader to prove that she is "biologically superior" by attaining a power position in an oppressive social structure...
fisher is also being a "trojan horse" for racism..since if it could ever be conclusively proven that really are such things as "web women"..or more generally that either gender is necessarily "biologically superior" to the other..then it would automatically become a very powerful argument for racism and other forms of discrimination...fortunately..however..fisher provides no such proof...she posits a "web-thinking" gene on the X-chromosome..and its obviously impossible for any single gene on the X-chromosome to behave the way fisher claims it does...so the first sex is nothing more than pseudo-scientific right-wing propaganda...
but the big lie was not to be dismissed so easily...the *male-dominated* corporate media was all to happy to publish such drivel as above..along with a shitstorm of anti-male advertising...the big lie worked like a charm..and we soon became unhappy with our marriages..simply because the TV..books..and the movies told us so...
as a result..mainstream feminism and the corporatist far right have grown in virtual lockstep since the early 1970s.. its even difficult to tell them apart (an excellent example can be found in iraq)...with employees of both genders being additionally motivated by such contrived bigotry and counter-bigotry..entities such as haliburton quickly become much more dynamic and profitable...let alone the mere fact that twice as many ppl competing for the same jobs will necessarily decrease wages and increase profits...
if there is still any doubt in your mind..one need only look at the products of this kind of feminism..which have been the likes of margaret thatcher..carly fiorina..ann coulter..and condoleeza rice...none of these bitches ("neocunts"..if you will) are even feminists in an academic sense of the word.. but they embody its success more than anyone that is...that gaggle of maggie thatcher clones sitting on the fascist power circles alongside their male counterparts doesnt make women like me any more "equal"...and the premise that equality..gender or otherwise..is to be attained by embracing an oppressive power structure such as corporate capitalism is at best flawed...one wonders why rush limburger has a problem with them "feminazis" who have given him so much of what he wanted...
we made the far right what they are today...fortunately..we can unmake them just as easily...the key is a new kind of feminism based on equal respect for our different roles..as opposed to the rightist concept of "gender equality" as destructive competition in the same roles...all of a sudden..the corporate police state hardly seems a lesser evil to what we traded it for...and we might find ourselves more empowered without the corporate suit...the far right often pays lip service to apparently anti-feminist rhetoric..but they know that they need us much more than we need them...
EDIT ..fix fisher link...
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Re: feminists [Re: DoctorJ]
#5578935 - 05/01/06 09:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Aint that the truth.
I took a socialogy class once entittled "SEX, GENDER, and POWER", which was basically a course consisting or a ranting feminist. I argued with her daily, fucking exploded when she said that an act of sex is rape because the male is always dominating.
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Men and women are different, period. One gender can do things better then the other, and vice versa.
The feminist male is a big problem today, and women who think they have a set of balls, is also one.
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Re: feminists [Re: DoctorJ]
#5578973 - 05/01/06 09:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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feminism in america used to be about women gaining the same rights as men.
Now, it is about women using the gender excuse for their own gain. Equality left the equation a long time ago. Now it's merely a self-serving special interest.
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Annapurna1
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SirTripAlot said: Men and women are different, period. One gender can do things better then the other, and vice versa.
The feminist male is a big problem today, and women who think they have a set of balls, is also one.

for some reason..she doesnt come across to me as being a "big problem" like a neocunt...
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thats disgusting. I cant believe you did that without any kind of warning. Seriously,
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Re: feminists [Re: DoctorJ]
#5579445 - 05/01/06 10:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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People just need to stop letting their genitals define who they are and what roles they play.
Real men take it like a woman.
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that's a guy
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Re: feminists [Re: Fospher]
#5579475 - 05/01/06 10:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You should have told her she was raping the whole class by always dominating the classroom with her fascist teacher/student paradigm.
...and then let her fuck you in the ass.
Seriously it's awesome.
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Quote:
Annapurna1 said: mainstream feminism and the corporatist far right have grown in virtual lockstep since the early 1970s.. its even difficult to tell them apart (an excellent example can be found in iraq)...with employees of both genders being additionally motivated by such contrived bigotry and counter-bigotry..entities such as haliburton quickly become much more dynamic and profitable...let alone the mere fact that twice as many ppl competing for the same jobs will necessarily decrease wages and increase profits...
if there is still any doubt in your mind..one need only look at the products of this kind of feminism..which have been the likes of margaret thatcher..carly fiorina..ann coulter..and condoleeza rice...none of these bitches ("neocunts"..if you will) are even feminists in an academic sense of the word.. but they embody its success more than anyone that is...that gaggle of maggie thatcher clones sitting on the fascist power circles alongside their male counterparts doesnt make women like me any more "equal"...and the premise that equality..gender or otherwise..is to be attained by embracing an oppressive power structure such as corporate capitalism is at best flawed...one wonders why rush limburger has a problem with them "feminazis" who have given him so much of what he wanted...
we made the far right what they are today...fortunately..we can unmake them just as easily...the key is a new kind of feminism based on equal respect for our different roles..as opposed to the rightist concept of "gender equality" as destructive competition in the same roles...all of a sudden..the corporate police state hardly seems a lesser evil to what we traded it for...and we might find ourselves more empowered without the corporate suit...the far right often pays lip service to apparently anti-feminist rhetoric..but they know that they need us much more than we need them...
Hmm well I think you are tying, for personal reasons, feminism with a more general anti-hierarchal anti-patriarcichal goal of deconstruction. And I'm with you. If feminism's goal is just about establishing equal opportunity as men, then the natural result is that women are just going to put on the power suits and become greedy capitalists just like dudes.
However if you are out to smash the whole system, which I'm all about, it doesn't take a lot of thought to realize that feminism is just the first step in what should be an effort to destroy all absolute values determined by gender. If our society's notion of success is an aggressive, competitive, no-holds barred capitalist like Trump, well then that is a problem for both men and women. Feminism may have opened the way for people with vaginas to achieve the same status as those with penises, but the fact remains that most of men and most of women can't end up being on top like Trump is. Thus is one of the many problems of hierarchy, only one can be at the top.
If you are out to replace our culture's obsession with hierarchichal power with something more diffuse and co-operative, you not only have to redefine female gender roles, but male ones as well. This is why I have come to believe that true contemporary feminism, if it is to survive, needs to stop trying to make women more like men, and needs to start trying to work for both of us to give us all more flexability within our gender.
This is why transgendered people are so cool, in my opinion. They embody a revolutionary new concept about gender, in which basically you are free to be whoever the hell you want to be, and fuck what anyone else has to say in an attempt to make you more like them.
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That reply was very insightful Gluke!
You're right, women are only coming into being accepted with equal value and even into places of superior dominance by becoming just like aggressive and assertive MEN, not by becoming recognized for the strengths the feminine aspects have to offer.
Those are STILL being oppressed in both men and women.
The feminine aspects both genders embody do have strength. The proof of that power is in how much it is feared that force is used to keep it oppressed. If it were to be accepted into the mix, the ways of rape, plunder, pillage, over throw and dominate, would be a thing of the past as true equality would be established as the hierarchies fell.
It sucks to see women in politics and business being accused for being just as corrupt as men. The thinking follows is that women have nothing new to add or offer. The shame is, they were only allowed to come into those positions of recognition and power because they acted with the masculine aspects of themselves.
We have yet to see and experience what the feminine aspects and strengths brought into politics and business can accomplish to tear down the BS hierarchies. Those at the top of the hierarchies (men and women alike) won't allow for it, or else, they will loose their dominance. Once people get a taste of power over others, they won't give it up so easily. They just want MORE. The masculine aspect is great at achieving that.
It's funny when men say women with their equal rights are now becoming total bitches. All they are doing is acting more like assertive and aggressive men in power always have.
Do the Math.

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Re: feminists [Re: DoctorJ]
#5581800 - 05/02/06 03:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Most of "modern day Feminism" is androphobia in disguise.
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Could it be possible that most women choose a man that is big, strong and agressive and when they have children these traits are passed on to their offspring (just like other animals)? In other words, women might play a key role in creating a male dominanted society.
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Two words, Original Sin.
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Re: feminists [Re: Luddite]
#5582179 - 05/02/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Luddite said: Could it be possible that most women choose a man that is big, strong and agressive and when they have children these traits are passed on to their offspring (just like other animals)? In other words, women might play a key role in creating a male dominanted society.
women play a key role in a lot of things. I just wish they played it better.
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Re: feminists [Re: DoctorJ]
#5582225 - 05/02/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I agree that feminism has taken a wrong turn. However, I believe that it has more to do with seeing women as blameless victims than it does with persisting once all their issues have been addressed.
My favorite feminist writer, Naomi Wolf, defines the different "sides" as Victim Feminists and Power Feminists. Victim Feminists tend to hate men, yet emulate all their worst qualities. They portray women as victims, emphasize all the terrible crimes perpetrated against women, and resist (violently!) the idea that women have been complicit in their oppression.
Power Feminists are really humanists, and believe that both men and women have participated in creating gender discrimination. This faction does not engage in male-bashing, but instead seeks to examine the reasons why women have cooperated with maintaining the status quo for so many years.
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Re: feminists [Re: DoctorJ]
#5582228 - 05/02/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Do you see a resemblance between these two?
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Re: feminists [Re: Veritas]
#5582232 - 05/02/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Power Feminists are really humanists, and believe that both men and women have participated in creating gender discrimination. This faction does not engage in male-bashing, but instead seeks to examine the reasons why women have cooperated with maintaining the status quo for so many years.
Indeed. I have personally seen women do more to keep each other down than anything else.
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