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Scottish independence could mean messy divorce
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LONDON (AP) -- How do you divorce after a 300-year union? It's complicated, and there is a deadline.

If Scots vote yes to separation on Thursday, a clock starts ticking down to March 24, 2016 — the independence day declared by the Scottish government.

The British and Scottish administrations have agreed that they will recognize the outcome of the referendum and appoint negotiators to work out the details of separation "in the best interests of the people of Scotland and of the rest of the United Kingdom."

But there is disagreement on many issues, and only 18 months to redraft laws, establish international agreements and work out relationships with international organizations.

Robert Hazell, head of the Constitution Unit at University College London, says that is an "impossible timetable," and estimates it could take up to three years to hammer out the details.

Some of the key issues:

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DIVIDING THE ASSETS

The Yes and No campaigns have very different assessments of Scotland's financial picture, including its share of Britain's national debt and North Sea oil reserves.

The pro-independence Scottish government says Scotland would be entitled to 90 percent of Britain's oil wealth — based on divvying up the two countries' waters — but only liable for about 8 percent of its 1.3 trillion pound ($2.1 trillion) national debt, based on its share of the U.K. population.

The British government disputes this, pointing out that Scotland has higher per capita public-sector spending than England and so is more indebted.

Scottish independence leader Alex Salmond has signaled he could play hardball.

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COUNTRY CLUBS

Salmond says that Scotland wants to remain in the United Nations, the European Union and NATO, and he anticipates little difficulty in keeping those seats.

Opponents say re-admission cannot be guaranteed. NATO, in particular, may be perturbed by Salmond's promise to remove nuclear weapons from Scottish territory.

That's not so much a problem for Scotland — nuclear weapons are not a membership requirement — as for Britain, whose entire nuclear arsenal is based aboard submarines at the Faslane naval base in western Scotland.

Adm. Mark Stanhope, a former head of the Royal Navy, has said that moving the weapons "would add a dangerous period of destabilization in our nuclear defense posture at a time when the international picture is clearly deteriorating."

The Royal United Services Institute, a military think-tank, estimates that moving the weapons could cost several billion pounds (dollars) and take until 2028. In the shorter term, Salmond may seek to use the base as a bargaining chip in negotiations with Britain.

Opponents of independence also say the loss of Scotland would sharply reduce Britain's clout on the world stage. It could endanger its place in the G-7 group of wealthy industrialized nations and its seat on the United Nations Security Council, although Salmond says Scotland would support Britain in efforts to keep the security council seat.

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THE CURRENCY QUESTION

The day after an independence vote, the pound sterling will remain Scotland's official currency. The Scottish government wants to keep it in the long term as well — as a key prop of stability amid the uncertainty independence would bring.

British officials and bankers say it's not that simple. Bank of England governor Mark Carney has said that "a currency union is incompatible with sovereignty."

Salmond thinks the British government is bluffing. He says "a common-sense agreement on a common currency" is in everyone's best interest.

Another unknown is whether businesses will pull out of Scotland. Financial institutions including the Royal Bank of Scotland and insurance giant Standard Life have announced plans to transfer some operations south of the border to ensure they remain part of British tax and currency systems.

Salmond says these are administrative measures and that the firms will keep most of their thousands of jobs in Scotland — but only time will tell.

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DRAWING A BORDER

At the moment only a blue-and-white billboard informs motorists and train passengers that they have passed from England into Scotland, and border checks will not be set up the day after an independence vote.

Salmond said there is "no danger" of such border formalities, saying Scotland would become part of the passport-free Common Travel Area Britain operates with the Channel Islands and the Republic of Ireland.

He says Scotland, like Britain, will be a member of the EU. But opponents say membership cannot be guaranteed; countries such as Spain, that face strong secessionist movements, may be uneasy about quick recognition.

If Scotland remains outside the EU — or if Britain leaves, as some London politicians wish — there may be no alternative to border checks. Britain could also take umbrage if Scotland adopts much more liberal immigration policies.

Scots will be getting different passports if they opt for independence, even if they don't need them to cross the border. The Scottish government says all British citizens living in Scotland will automatically be considered Scottish citizens, as will Scotland-born Britons who live elsewhere. They will be able to apply for Scottish passports from independence day in 2016, and would be allowed to retain dual Scottish and British nationality.

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KEEPING THE QUEEN

One thing both sides agree on — Queen Elizabeth II will continue to be the Scottish monarch after independence.

Scotland and England shared a monarch for a century before they united politically in 1707, and the queen remains head of state in Canada, Australia and several other former British colonies.

The queen will keep her Balmoral estate in Scotland, the royal family's traditional summer-vacation destination.

Many other symbols of state are up for grabs. Scotland will likely adopt the Saltire, a blue-and-white flag that already flies alongside the Union Jack over government buildings in Edinburgh.

The red, white and blue British flag combines the emblems of its member regions, including England's red-and-white Cross of St. George and Scotland's blue. A redesign of the iconic banner may be in order.
http://news.yahoo.com/scottish-independence-could-mean-messy-divorce-084556829--finance.html

Wow this is really something I really hope Scotland can get its independance disgusting how they have been treated by the British for so long.


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Re: Scottish independence could mean messy divorce [Re: Gilgamesh18] * 1
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Re: Scottish independence could mean messy divorce [Re: Salomon]
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The British are gonna have trying to figure out what flag they want if Scotland leaves.

Here are their main choices:  http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25205017

Most of them are ugly/weird. One of them if fucking trippy


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Re: Scottish independence could mean messy divorce [Re: Patlal]
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This is the best one


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Re: Scottish independence could mean messy divorce [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
The British are gonna have trying to figure out what flag they want if Scotland leaves.

Here are their main choices:  http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25205017

Most of them are ugly/weird. One of them if fucking trippy




and not a maple leaf in sight

how does that make you feel to be on the same standing as wales.. a lesser
standing since wales may have their little dragon on the flag soon

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Re: Scottish independence could mean messy divorce [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
Patlal said:
The British are gonna have trying to figure out what flag they want if Scotland leaves.

Here are their main choices:  http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25205017

Most of them are ugly/weird. One of them if fucking trippy




and not a maple leaf in sight

how does that make you feel to be on the same standing as wales.. a lesser
standing since wales may have their little dragon on the flag soon



What?


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Re: Scottish independence could mean messy divorce [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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"hey look at me im Scottish and different from those brits!"

then they will just continue to be divided within their own country like everyone else.

in the future we will all either be one giant country or there will be a million tiny countries


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Re: Scottish independence could mean messy divorce [Re: Shroomin Capote]
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Shroomin Capote said:
"hey look at me im Scottish and different from those brits!"

then they will just continue to be divided within their own country like everyone else.

in the future we will all either be one giant country or there will be a million tiny countries



The Scottish people have routinely had there grievances ignored under British rule. The only reason England is kicking up a fuss is the north oil reserves that Scotland has dividing those up will be tricky.


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Re: Scottish independence could mean messy divorce [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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:mel:


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Re: Scottish independence could mean messy divorce [Re: nicechrisman]
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nicechrisman said:
:mel:



I take it your a British sympathizer.


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Re: Scottish independence could mean messy divorce [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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No I'm not. The conversation just reminded me of Braveheart and I remembered this Gremlin. It was just an attempt to be witty.


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Re: Scottish independence could mean messy divorce [Re: nicechrisman]
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How do you feel about the Scottish independence movement?


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Re: Scottish independence could mean messy divorce [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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I don't know enough about it to have a particularly informed opinion, but I support the right of people to rule themselves. The Scotts are not Britts and I think they should have the right to rule themselves. Also the British government seems almost as messed up as the US, so I can understand why they would want to break away.

What do you think about the Independent State of Cascadia?


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Re: Scottish independence could mean messy divorce [Re: nicechrisman]
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nicechrisman said:
I don't know enough about it to have a particularly informed opinion, but I support the right of people to rule themselves. The Scotts are not Britts and I think they should have the right to rule themselves. Also the British government seems almost as messed up as the US, so I can understand why they would want to break away.

What do you think about the Independent State of Cascadia?



I would support them personally I think smaller nations more in tune with the local culture are the future. I could easily see 5 or 6 nations in the US.


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Re: Scottish independence could mean messy divorce [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Our country has become so divided ideologically that sometimes I think it's the only thing that makes sense. It sometimes seems the only way people can truly be represented. I don't like having to be led by a bunch of fat ass fundamentalists Christians from the middle of the country.


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Re: Scottish independence could mean messy divorce [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Gilgamesh18 said:
How do you feel about the Scottish independence movement?




I support pulling troops out of occupied northern ireland,
people talk about gaza but what of the irish

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Re: Scottish independence could mean messy divorce [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
Gilgamesh18 said:
How do you feel about the Scottish independence movement?




I support pulling troops out of occupied northern ireland,
people talk about gaza but what of the irish



Prisoner#1 said:
Gilgamesh18 said:
How do you feel about the Scottish independence movement?




I support pulling troops out of occupied northern ireland,
people talk about gaza but what of the irish



I agree with that as well. Hopefully the Scots are given there own nation and then Wales and Northern Ireland can follow.


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Re: Scottish independence could mean messy divorce [Re: nicechrisman]
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nicechrisman said:
Our country has become so divided ideologically that sometimes I think it's the only thing that makes sense. It sometimes seems the only way people can truly be represented. I don't like having to be led by a bunch of fat ass fundamentalists Christians from the middle of the country.



ANd I don't want to be ruled by a bunch of scrawny Socialists from California!


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Re: Scottish independence could mean messy divorce [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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See- that's exactly what I mean


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Re: Scottish independence could mean messy divorce [Re: nicechrisman]
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free Scotland?
lets take a vote, i vote yes
free Scotland?
Users may choose only one (9 total votes)
YES, THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE
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6 67%
NOPE
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2 22%
STAL
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1 11%
Votes accepted from 09/15/14 01:30 PM until the end of time


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