moonsphere said:

It's not that I don't think people take them to get fucked up. They definitely do.

I think that some people are incapable of using them to achieve a level of consciousness. Some people can, some people can't. Our brain chemistry is different, but I also don't rule out there is more to the psychedelic experience than just brain chemistry. For those unable to reach a truly higher state, that's all the drugs will ever be for them; a party drug. If you sell, those are the people you "sell" to.

Some people are able to utilize them to their full potential. Those are the people you give freely to.

It's pretty easy to tell who is in which category. Personally, if I take LSD, I don't use any other substance with it because I don't use it to achieve a certain "feeling" or "high." It's never been about that for me. It allows me to ascend to a higher level of awareness and I don't like to alter that state because it teaches me so much every time.

When I first started using LSD, it was fun, but it wasn't satisfying. Everyone else around me seemed to be satisfied with just sitting around looking at pictures or watching Youtube videos. It's really hard for me to be around people who are just trying to "have a good time" with it or "going with the party." 

For me, tripping has never been about experiencing a "good trip." They are nice, and I can achieve them, but I don't really take LSD for "fun." I take it because it shows me things that others cannot see.

I'm not saying that it's a bad thing to have fun with LSD, it can be fun. I just feel like a lot of people take it with too many expectations or feeling entitled to a "fun time." People should stop focusing on what they want the trip to be and just allow the trip to be what it is.

People get defensive when I say this because they feel like I'm being condescending for saying that certain people are incapable of achieving a higher state of awareness. It's not the case, incapability isn't a negative thing or a lower thing, it's just how people are wired.

Believe me, there are times when I wish I could just take some doses with my friends and go do stupid shit, but it's not something that I'm capable of. I didn't ask for these chemicals to affect me the way they do. I just want people to be aware that they do different things for different people. I think a lot of people who have "bad trips" are probably trying to utilize the chemicals as party drugs while they are actually capable of using them on a much higher level, they should embrace their brain chemistry and see how deep the rabbit hole goes...

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There was nothing wrong with this post at all, pbwriter.  You just chose to get offended by it. And then make a lame, oblique response. 

Moonsphere is right - like it or not, there are different responses in people to these drugs.  Some, even some who've posted extensively on these forums, never get past the "it just fucks me up" part.  There IS no higher response for them.  The literally CAN'T get more out of it than that, no matter how hard they try.

Maybe their brain chemistry is different, maybe their genetics are different, maybe their senses are different, hell, maybe they lack some so called "psychic" sense and it's like the difference between those people who genuinely seem to access the so called supernatural aspects of reality and all the rest that don't - and historically have persecuted the former for it.  Hell, I don't know. Sometimes I don't even want to know, I just wish the rest of them would fuck off.  But the studies would be interesting, if they could be done ethically.

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PrimalSoup said:

What would a flatworm's perception of death be...

God, this is the ragged edge of raggedness.

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Q.I said:

PrimalSoup said:

What would a flatworm's perception of death be...

God, this is the ragged edge of raggedness.

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I take it you think that your time is too valuable to consider whether you are causing suffering to a fellow creature.

I'm sure you wouldn't be of that opinion if there was another creature who was stronger than you and it was your life and suffering that was in the balance.

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neuroshaman said:

Yo QI, you really need to stop being such a self-righteous prick.

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Animals eat other animals, suffering is a part of life

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AndyCP said:

Did you seriously just post that in here haha? Wrong forum, a thread of its own, and nothing to do with identifying shrooms. Nice. Please try again.

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Jdeadkid said:

I need help finding out if these guys are active and edible

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Q.I said:

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paperbackwriter said:/
You're making an assumption that because plants and fungi don't experience pain in the manner that we do that they don't experience it at all. 

Anyway here's some videos on how plants respond to external stimuli.

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I'm not into watching videos. If you summarize them, I'd read it.

Do you feel pain when someone cuts your hair? That's how it feels when there aren't nerves and a brain attached.

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You're also begging the question of rather or not it's morally acceptable to eat people with nerve damage

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That's the reason I mentioned that plants can regenerate from cut off branches. What would a human's perception of death be if, say, their whole body could regenerate from a cut-off finger?

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Now, back to not having fun.

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xanadu_poppy said:

I didnt read this whole thread as it is to long. But my thought on pylocyben is It can be used for entertainment and also medication if you don't think it can be used as a medication your severely retarded. It basically cures my social anxiety for months also depression mainly due to psilocin hitting the 5-HT-2A SERETONIN receptor. ssris and snri antidepressants hit some of the same receptors as pylocyben but are fuking horrible withdrawls and bassically the dont do the job right.  pylocyben causes Nurogenisis which sientist also belive helps alleviate deppression

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AndyCP said:

I feel like you're secretly agreeing with my point of view. I never said psychedelics couldn't be used as medicine. I simply don't agree with disrespecting and misusing them to get high and nothing more. Using them to cure your anxiety and depression is getting something out of them.

Bombing some shrooms and going to a frat party to get smashed and vomit all over your new Ed Hardy shirt would be a good example of not getting something out of them.

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xanadu_poppy said:

I would take them for the medicinal purpose alone if that is all they produced. but the high is a nice perk too which i believe also is medicinal spiritually.

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