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InvisibleStipe
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lib patch invaders?
    #2020396 - 10/18/03 01:49 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Hi, I?m a long-time lurker, first time poster and general lover of all things mushroom.

The lib season here in Newfoundland has been pretty bountiful so far but I am a bit concerned with a few specimens I found earlier in the season. They were collected on September 23 from a patch that I?ve been picking for the past two years. I was surprised to find any libs so early this year as it had been unseasonably warm and dry but on this date the tall, shaded grass of a wetter part of the field did fruit.

I found many mushrooms that were unmistakably Liberty Caps but my main concern with the mushrooms that I did find is that they were much more variable in appearance then I usually encounter and my concern grew after I found the mushroom with the expanded cap in the picture below.



I seriously doubt that this mushroom is Psilocybe semilanceata but because I found it growing so close to true Libs it is possible that I may have collected immature specimens mistakenly. This particular specimen has been already been discarded and the other mushrooms that I collected on that day have been separated from my other Libs collected more recently because I may just get rid of them as they are a small fraction of my finds. However, I would like to hear some opinions on what I?ve found. Below is a picture of another mushroom that could be Psilocybe semilanceata but then again it may not.



> Both of the specimens were viscid when moist and had separable pellicles.
> Both their spore prints were of similar colour. The specimen with the non-expanded cap had a black-purple print, while the other one was more black-brown.
>Stems on both were around 10cm.
>The expanded cap was about 2.5cm, while the other one was about 1 cm.



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Re: lib patch invaders? [Re: Stipe]
    #2021394 - 10/18/03 10:44 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

first off a question: which groups of agaricales have seperable pellicles other than Psilocybe and and parts of the Russula genus? im assuming that genera in the strophariaceae do not other than Psilocybe since that is the genus's distinguisihing feature. but something in my head reminds me of some Naematoloma species having a seperable pellicle?

a non-purple spore print is not going to be P. semilanceata. the second one doesnt look like a lib anyway to me, but maybe its another one of those sons of btiches from the north that ive never found. P. pelliculosa popped into my mind just now. :confused:

although it looks like a Conocybe to me just because. the stem looks like a coprinaceae or bolbitaceae stem to me, thats all.

am i mad?  :lipsrsealed: :crazy2: 


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Re: lib patch invaders? [Re: MagmaManiac]
    #2022677 - 10/19/03 03:13 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

another Newfoundlander! we're popping up like mad lately.

what part of the island are you from?


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Re: lib patch invaders? [Re: GonzoPunk]
    #2024735 - 10/20/03 07:46 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I'm in Torbay, just north of St. John's.

I had two other people have a look at the spore prints because I have poor colour perception and the consensus is that the spore print for the non-expanded cap is brown-purple and the spore print for the expanded cap is brown and may have some faint purple in it. These people don't know that psilocybes have purple in their spore print therefore their opinions are unbiased whereas sometimes I believe I see purple but that may be just because I want to.

Another point, both caps turned a straw colour as they dried. And in case you can't tell from the picture, the expanded-cap mushroom had a prominent nipple. As the non-expanded cap dried it too developed a small nipple.


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Re: lib patch invaders? [Re: Stipe]
    #2024770 - 10/20/03 08:09 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I have found liberty caps with expanded caps quite regulary.
But if your specimen has a brown sporeprint it can?t be semilanceata.


libs with expanded caps.


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Re: lib patch invaders? [Re: kaal-kopje]
    #2024937 - 10/20/03 10:55 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, I encounter them all the time as well and I also agree that the mushroom with the expanded cap is not a Liberty Cap. But then what is it?

Same mushrooms together:




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Re: lib patch invaders? [Re: Stipe]
    #2403918 - 03/04/04 08:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

*Bump*

has anyone figured out what this was? i'm intrigued


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Re: lib patch invaders? [Re: Floyd_]
    #2403941 - 03/04/04 08:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

it was a lib. the serarable pellicle is proof enough, the black-brown sporeprint is widely considered a variation on purple brown when dealing with this species. just means a more heavey deposit

ive encountered them with concave caps on several occasions,
a truly morphologically variable mushroom, given hapitat and the parameters given, there is nothing else it could be.


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Re: lib patch invaders? [Re: Mitchnast]
    #2410121 - 03/09/04 07:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for the bump Floyd and the ID Mitchnast.


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