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Re: A libertarian republic [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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take away your meaningless railing against your peers? yeah, sorry about that. i know how much this railing means to you in your empty sore life. continue.

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Re: A libertarian republic [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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akira_akuma said:
take away your meaningless railing against your peers? yeah, sorry about that. i know how much this railing means to you in your empty sore life. continue.


Where are you from dude?

Let me guess........ ALberta? BC?


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Re: A libertarian republic [Re: Patlal]
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who cares? Canada is Canada.

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Re: A libertarian republic [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
who cares? Canada is Canada.


True true.

The problem is that its the size of a continent...

So which province?


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Re: A libertarian republic [Re: NotTheDevil]
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NotTheDevil said:
Aedan said:
It sounds to me like you dont trust free individuals to efficiently run a society. Or that they are too stupid to. Which is how authoritarians think.


When you go too far into an unregulated environment, people can easily be reduced to near slave-like conditions.





This.

Please refer to the working conditions in early America if you need more info.
Out of all the major political affiliations in this country(basically Republican, Libertarian, Democrat), I have the most hope in Libertarian ideology.
I think that it is incredibly naive to think that we do not need some government regulation.

I also had to read The Jungle by Upton Sinclaire, which is essentially called socialist propaganda, even though it led to implementing basic standards in the meatpacking industry that probably saved a lot of lives, and the reform of absolutely fucking horrible work conditions that did the same.


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Re: A libertarian republic [Re: pirate-blues]
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pirate-blues said:
NotTheDevil said:
Aedan said:
It sounds to me like you dont trust free individuals to efficiently run a society. Or that they are too stupid to. Which is how authoritarians think.


When you go too far into an unregulated environment, people can easily be reduced to near slave-like conditions.





This.

Please refer to the working conditions in early America if you need more info.
Out of all the major political affiliations in this country(basically Republican, Libertarian, Democrat), I have the most hope in Libertarian ideology.
I think that it is incredibly naive to think that we do not need some government regulation.

I also had to read The Jungle by Upton Sinclaire, which is essentially called socialist propaganda, even though it led to implementing basic standards in the meatpacking industry that probably saved a lot of lives, and the reform of absolutely fucking horrible work conditions that did the same.


In my ideal world the consumer decides how businesses treat there employees. If a business is unethical and pays an unfair wage don't support it! Also the US of 2014 is very different than the early industrial revolution for one the internet is the great equalizer.


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Re: A libertarian republic [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
akira_akuma said:
who cares? Canada is Canada.


True true.

The problem is that its the size of a continent...

So which province?


Ontario. so what now? are you gonna conflate my being from Ontario as being some sort of sign that i must be a certain way, because of some socio-political spectrum of events or attitudes that you're led to believe makes up all of the people's attitudes from Ontario, because it's what you heard or read about?

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Re: A libertarian republic [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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On another note, how likely to you guys think it will be that America will vote in a third party?

A party needs 5% of the popular vote to recieve federal funding and last election Gary Johnson got 1%. I think attitudes have shifted about Obama dramatically since then, and I think that in the next couple of elections a third party is likely to be eligible for federal funding...but I'm not terribly optimistic past that point.

On another note. FUCK lobbyist. That shit is open corruption happening right infront of our eyes, and I don't understand why it's allowed to go on.
Gilgamesh18 said:
pirate-blues said:
NotTheDevil said:
Aedan said:
It sounds to me like you dont trust free individuals to efficiently run a society. Or that they are too stupid to. Which is how authoritarians think.


When you go too far into an unregulated environment, people can easily be reduced to near slave-like conditions.





This.

Please refer to the working conditions in early America if you need more info.
Out of all the major political affiliations in this country(basically Republican, Libertarian, Democrat), I have the most hope in Libertarian ideology.
I think that it is incredibly naive to think that we do not need some government regulation.

I also had to read The Jungle by Upton Sinclaire, which is essentially called socialist propaganda, even though it led to implementing basic standards in the meatpacking industry that probably saved a lot of lives, and the reform of absolutely fucking horrible work conditions that did the same.


In my ideal world the consumer decides how businesses treat there employees. If a business is unethical and pays an unfair wage don't support it! Also the US of 2014 is very different than the early industrial revolution for one the internet is the great equalizer.




But the consumer will always go for the lowest prices. Otherwise we wouldn't be supporting the slave labor that happens overseas and a huge driving force in it.
To provide this employers will shortchange their workers, make them work longer hours, and ultimately it leads to abuse.
...Which oddly enough, is exactly what is happening to workers right now overseas in countries like China. That is a very odd parallel between capitalism and communism, I don't know what to make of it, I just notice it.

I do agree that working conditions would not be nearly as atrocious as it was during the Industrial Revolution - but what exactly is preventing exploitation of workers, since the consumer cannot be trusted to.

I have heard that The Netherlands has(or had) the freest market in the world, but it also has a significant amount of government regulation. Can anyone verify this or tell me why? I'm really lazy, so I honestly don't know beyond being told that by someone..but I think that we should be looking to other countries like Holland, Sweden, etc, and learning from it.


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Re: A libertarian republic [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
Patlal said:
akira_akuma said:
who cares? Canada is Canada.


True true.

The problem is that its the size of a continent...

So which province?


Ontario. so what now? are you gonna conflate my being from Ontario as being some sort of sign that i must be a certain way, because of some socio-political spectrum of events or attitudes that you're led to believe makes up all of the people's attitudes from Ontario, because it's what you heard or read about?


What are you exactly? I"m interested.

Who is akura?


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Re: A libertarian republic [Re: Patlal]
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a person who isn't sucked into feeling like everyone needs to work for me.

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Re: A libertarian republic [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
a person who isn't sucked into feeling like everyone needs to work for me.


Feel free to work for everybody then


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Re: A libertarian republic [Re: Patlal]
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i do.

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Re: A libertarian republic [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
i do.


slave


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Re: A libertarian republic [Re: Patlal]
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not.

i feel free, and am free; as free as one can be; and i can do more work for everybody then anybody can do for me.

you are the servant. i am just a person.

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Re: A libertarian republic [Re: Patlal]
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The Partis Quebecois started as four people in a coffee shop ten years later they were the government. Never underestimate the power of activism and the idea that all people deserve there own sovereign land.


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Re: A libertarian republic [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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There's a lot of work to do


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Re: A libertarian republic [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Gilgamesh18 said:
The Partis Quebecois started as four people in a coffee shop ten years later they were the government. Never underestimate the power of activism and the idea that all people deserve there own sovereign land.


They said no to it 2 times in 30 years and they have recently been dismantled by the electorate. They won't get their country.


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Re: A libertarian republic [Re: Patlal]
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Eh, I'll take classical libertarianism, i.e. libertarian socialism.  Worker self-management, decentralized organization, horizontal decision-making.  In other words, freedom for the masses, not for the ruling class.


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Re: A libertarian republic [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Gilgamesh18 said:
pirate-blues said:
NotTheDevil said:
Aedan said:
It sounds to me like you dont trust free individuals to efficiently run a society. Or that they are too stupid to. Which is how authoritarians think.


When you go too far into an unregulated environment, people can easily be reduced to near slave-like conditions.





This.

Please refer to the working conditions in early America if you need more info.
Out of all the major political affiliations in this country(basically Republican, Libertarian, Democrat), I have the most hope in Libertarian ideology.
I think that it is incredibly naive to think that we do not need some government regulation.

I also had to read The Jungle by Upton Sinclaire, which is essentially called socialist propaganda, even though it led to implementing basic standards in the meatpacking industry that probably saved a lot of lives, and the reform of absolutely fucking horrible work conditions that did the same.


In my ideal world the consumer decides how businesses treat there employees. If a business is unethical and pays an unfair wage don't support it! Also the US of 2014 is very different than the early industrial revolution for one the internet is the great equalizer.


We've been through this before. If you have unregulated business, monopoly is ALWAYS the end result. It is really very simple.


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Re: A libertarian republic [Re: koods]
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Simple is far past Gilgamesh's understanding.


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