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Gilgamesh18
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Re: A libertarian republic [Re: WhiteDL]
#19608166 - 02/23/14 11:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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WhiteDL said: I really like the libertarian way, Ron Paul!! Especially for the federal government. And each state there own.
I live in Canada, the federal government should more libertarian, and each province should control the way they want.
But well, I'm a fucking separatist that want a free Québec!
To bad you will have folks like patlal who will want to force Quebec to remain part of Canada even though culturally they really should be an independent nation. Vive la république du Québec!
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Patlal
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starfire_xes said: You mentioned 'organized' in the context that society needs government to control people and companies. I'm just pointed out one of the ways Big Government keeps society organized.
I don't believe in a big government at all. But I do believe that it is needed enough to justify having a medium sized one.
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Gilgamesh18 said:
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WhiteDL said: I really like the libertarian way, Ron Paul!! Especially for the federal government. And each state there own.
I live in Canada, the federal government should more libertarian, and each province should control the way they want.
But well, I'm a fucking separatist that want a free Québec!
To bad you will have folks like patlal who will want to force Quebec to remain part of Canada even though culturally they really should be an independent nation. Vive la république du Québec!
Yes and we will never let go. Seperatists don't understand how mch they can't afford a seperation.
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Gilgamesh18 said:
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WhiteDL said: I really like the libertarian way, Ron Paul!! Especially for the federal government. And each state there own.
I live in Canada, the federal government should more libertarian, and each province should control the way they want.
But well, I'm a fucking separatist that want a free Québec!
To bad you will have folks like patlal who will want to force Quebec to remain part of Canada even though culturally they really should be an independent nation. Vive la république du Québec!
If you are an American, then your statement is quite ironic. As you're nation has states that are far more polarized than Anglo-Canadians and the Catholic French.
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Re: A libertarian republic [Re: Patlal]
#19608428 - 02/23/14 12:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes and we will never let go. Seperatists don't understand how mch they can't afford a seperation.
Just like people who drink to many sugary drinks don't understand how much they are hurting themselves--don't worry, Big Daddy knows best.
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IMO Catholicism has little to do with the cultural differences between Quebec and the rest of Canada. Only about half of Canadians who are baptized Catholic live in Quebec, and altogether baptized Catholics make up nearly 40% of Canada's population. Not all of those people actually practice the religion, but culturally a fuck of a lot of Canadians have a Catholic background.
Aside from all that, over half of Quebecers didn't want to separate in every referendum they did. Even if it was a little less than half who opposed it, why should the separatists be able to impose something that major on the still-large number of people who don't want it? Sorry guys, you now live in a different country because that's what about half of the people here wanted.
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Re: A libertarian republic [Re: psi]
#19608526 - 02/23/14 01:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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psi said: IMO Catholicism has little to do with the cultural differences between Quebec and the rest of Canada. Only about half of Canadians who are baptized Catholic live in Quebec, and altogether baptized Catholics make up nearly 40% of Canada's population. Not all of those people actually practice the religion, but culturally a fuck of a lot of Canadians have a Catholic background.
Aside from all that, over half of Quebecers didn't want to separate in every referendum they did. Even if it was a little less than half who opposed it, why should the separatists be able to impose something that major on the still-large number of people who don't want it? Sorry guys, you now live in a different country because that's what about half of the people here wanted.
Nobody gives a shit about religion in Quebec. They are trying make laws to eliminate it. I don't think anybody gives a shit in rest of canada either.
The difference is cultural. Quebecers love comedy, cinema, theatre, festivals, arts, music a lot more than the rest of the country. That's what makes them so different.
Then there's little old me. Living right on the fence. I can appreciate 100% of the Canadian culture + the American one.
It is extremely sad that the rest of Canada can't appreciate quebec's stand up comics. They are some much better the english ones. Louis CK is just ok compared to them
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Re: A libertarian republic [Re: psi]
#19608530 - 02/23/14 01:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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psi said: IMO Catholicism has little to do with the cultural differences between Quebec and the rest of Canada. Only about half of Canadians who are baptized Catholic live in Quebec, and altogether baptized Catholics make up nearly 40% of Canada's population. Not all of those people actually practice the religion, but culturally a fuck of a lot of Canadians have a Catholic background.
Aside from all that, over half of Quebecers didn't want to separate in every referendum they did. Even if it was a little less than half who opposed it, why should the separatists be able to impose something that major on the still-large number of people who don't want it? Sorry guys, you now live in a different country because that's what about half of the people here wanted.
That is essentially my point. Despite the agenda posed by the former front runners of government ( in Quebec) there really isn't a desire to separate, It is unfeasible and unsupported by the new generation emerging from Quebec, I hope the mix up the politics, but an actual separation of state is absurd,
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Yeah I don't think it's really been thought through too well. Even just musing about it before meant that a lot of investment money pulled out of Quebec. Plus people on both sides of the new border would have to deal with border crossing hassles when they used to be able to just travel freely.
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Re: A libertarian republic [Re: psi]
#19608796 - 02/23/14 02:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Seperatists don't understand how mch they can't afford a seperation.
I think its the rest of Canada that can't afford to lose Québec! but I agree that its not the right time, someday maybe.
Before Harper, almost all the prime ministers of Canada were Quebecers! lol!
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Re: A libertarian republic [Re: WhiteDL]
#19608845 - 02/23/14 02:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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WhiteDL said: I think its the rest of Canada that can't afford to lose Québec!
You mean afford in a financial sense? If Quebec was a net financial gain to the rest of Canada, why does the Quebec government consistently seem to need federal transfer payments to balance its books? If anything it's Alberta we couldn't afford to lose.
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Re: A libertarian republic [Re: Patlal]
#19609572 - 02/23/14 06:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Patlal said:
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psi said: IMO Catholicism has little to do with the cultural differences between Quebec and the rest of Canada. Only about half of Canadians who are baptized Catholic live in Quebec, and altogether baptized Catholics make up nearly 40% of Canada's population. Not all of those people actually practice the religion, but culturally a fuck of a lot of Canadians have a Catholic background.
Aside from all that, over half of Quebecers didn't want to separate in every referendum they did. Even if it was a little less than half who opposed it, why should the separatists be able to impose something that major on the still-large number of people who don't want it? Sorry guys, you now live in a different country because that's what about half of the people here wanted.
Nobody gives a shit about religion in Quebec. They are trying make laws to eliminate it. I don't think anybody gives a shit in rest of canada either.
The difference is cultural. Quebecers love comedy, cinema, theatre, festivals, arts, music a lot more than the rest of the country. That's what makes them so different.
Then there's little old me. Living right on the fence. I can appreciate 100% of the Canadian culture + the American one.
It is extremely sad that the rest of Canada can't appreciate quebec's stand up comics. They are some much better the english ones. Louis CK is just ok compared to them
true, Quebec has somehow more admiration for the arts then most elsewhere in Canoodia.
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Re: A libertarian republic [Re: WhiteDL]
#19955666 - 05/07/14 07:21 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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QUEBEC will one day be a sovereign state!
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and the Dutch and English will continue to thrive in peace without the need for being pricks about their supposed heritage. (because heritage of course gives people the right to hate monger and make up treaties.)
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Gilgamesh18
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There is nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage.
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Patlal
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Gilgamesh18 said: QUEBEC will one day be a sovereign state!
loooooooool.
It was the dream of the previous generation. The federal party representing Quebec and its independance went from 60 seats in the house to 3. And the Provincial separatist party went from 60 seats in Quebec to 30.
The movement is dying with the babyboomers
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Re: A libertarian republic [Re: Patlal]
#19955731 - 05/07/14 07:33 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: There is nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage.
yes, there is. it's meaningless, and it causes hatred and dissent amongst peers.
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Patlal said:
The movement is dying with the babyboomers
you mean those people that were told if you rail and complain enough, you'll get more out of life? oh... THOSE people...
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Re: A libertarian republic [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#19955745 - 05/07/14 07:36 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: There is nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage.
yes, there is. it's meaningless, and it causes hatred and descent amongst peers.
As a french canadian, I hate you for that comment
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Gilgamesh18
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Gilgamesh18 said: There is nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage.
yes, there is. it's meaningless, and it causes hatred and descent amongst peers.
And here is the problem people like you try to take it away
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