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Morbidly obese pets = animal abuse?
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What's your opinion on this?

I'm talking visually obese animal animals that are above and and beyond their BMIs.

Is it animal abuse to you to feed your pet way too much and let it become very fat?

If so, what should happen to the owners?

- Should we remove the right of the owner to have pets?
- Should there be legal repercussions?
- Should the owner be educated on proper nutrition for animal?
- Should their be a fine?
- Should the animal be put down?

I would love to get your opinions on this.

Personally, everytime I see an obese pet I feel bad for it. Its irresponsible and it affects to pets longevity and quality of life.
Is pet obesity a case of animal abuse to you?
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Should there be repercusion to the owner?
You may choose only one


Votes accepted from 10/21/13 09:17 AM until the end of time

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Re: Morbidly obese pets = animal abuse? [Re: Patlal] * 2
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That is pretty messed up when people allow their animals to become so overweight.


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Re: Morbidly obese pets = animal abuse? [Re: nicechrisman]
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a lot of them are diabetic too. Its the corn, corn meal, corn gluten (imo) that are causing it. Animals arent made to eat mass corn cearal for a daily diet.


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Re: Morbidly obese pets = animal abuse? [Re: nicechrisman]
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Would an obese bear be more or less terrifying than a regular grizzly bear?

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Re: Morbidly obese pets = animal abuse? [Re: Tangich]
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Tangich said:
Would an obese bear be more or less terrifying than a regular grizzly bear?


Depends on If can stand up or not.


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Re: Morbidly obese pets = animal abuse? [Re: Patlal]
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Look at all these fat fucking children wobbling around.  These fat pieces of shit can't properly raise their kids, I have no expectations for them to walk their dogs everyday or control how much their cats eat.  Is it animal abuse?  I don't know, probably not.  What's a dog care if he's fat?  Not letting your animal fuck other animals is much more abusive than letting him eat what he wants.


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Re: Morbidly obese pets = animal abuse? [Re: sprinkles] * 1
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sprinkles said:
a lot of them are diabetic too. Its the corn, corn meal, corn gluten (imo) that are causing it. Animals arent made to eat mass corn cearal for a daily diet.


Ya its not just the people it the crap they put in all the pet foods, and If you buy a good brand its 3x more expensive.

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Re: Morbidly obese pets = animal abuse? [Re: nicechrisman]
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Sometimes It isn't the owners fault. I had two Chihuahuas same age (they were brothers) and one of them kept getting bigger no matter how much exercise or whatever diet food he ate. The other one was super skinny but recently died after being hit by a car :sad:.

The problems they had probably was because they cam from a breeder. They had super tiny noses and they could barley even breathe when they would get excited. I was 6 years old when I got those dogs so I had no control over their purchase, but if it was up to me I wouldn't ever buy a dog from a breeder.

Edited by zee007 (10/21/13 11:34 AM)

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Re: Morbidly obese pets = animal abuse? [Re: Dudits]
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saviorsam said:
sprinkles said:
a lot of them are diabetic too. Its the corn, corn meal, corn gluten (imo) that are causing it. Animals arent made to eat mass corn cearal for a daily diet.


Ya its not just the people it the crap they put in all the pet foods, and If you buy a good brand its 3x more expensive.


Not necessarily. Every brand seems to have sufficient science behind them to offer very acceptable nutrition at an affordable price. These companies seems to have been worker harder on pet nutrition then medical researchers have for a cure to cancer.


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Re: Morbidly obese pets = animal abuse? [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
What's your opinion on this?

I'm talking visually obese animal animals that are above and and beyond their BMIs.

Is it animal abuse to you to feed your pet way too much and let it become very fat?

If so, what should happen to the owners?

- Should we remove the right of the owner to have pets?
- Should there be legal repercussions?
- Should the owner be educated on proper nutrition for animal?
- Should their be a fine?
- Should the animal be put down?

I would love to get your opinions on this.

Personally, everytime I see an obese pet I feel bad for it. Its irresponsible and it affects to pets longevity and quality of life.


My cat is scrawny as hell, but I feed her constantly and I don't do anything to give her exercise. I don't think pet owners are generally responsible for fat pets and to hold them legally obligated to work out their pets is just, well... it's ridiculous. Fat bashing has gone beyond too far when we're seriously asking if we should fine people for having fat pets.

So, No and No; go find something else ridiculous to be a busybody about.


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Re: Morbidly obese pets = animal abuse? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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As long as no one gets hurt or the animal. I could care less what others do, so I choose to let people beat their kids in front of me and I wont say shit if the kid deserve is by being bad and I mean bad. If the kid didn't ill say some shit.


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Re: Morbidly obese pets = animal abuse? [Re: dark3st]
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dark3st said:
I could care less what others do


That attitude is why our society can be so fucked up.

If only people cared about each other. If only people gave a shit what happening 5000 miles away.

Oh well, I'm not going to change the world with this thread.


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Re: Morbidly obese pets = animal abuse? [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
dark3st said:
I could care less what others do


That attitude is why our society can be so fucked up.

If only people cared about each other. If only people gave a shit what happening 5000 miles away.

Oh well, I'm not going to change the world with this thread.


Way to understand what I actually wrote. I Nevr said about not caring about anyone.


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Re: Morbidly obese pets = animal abuse? [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
Not necessarily. Every brand seems to have sufficient science behind them to offer very acceptable nutrition at an affordable price. These companies seems to have been worker harder on pet nutrition then medical researchers have for a cure to cancer.


I actually disagree that pet food is good for pets. I mean sure, I know that veterinarians always promote a certain brand of pet food, but it's also important to know that they often have some sort of incentive to promote a particular brand of pet food. Ever notice that every single veterinarian has a particular brand of pet food that they like to promote?

Also, this pet food is like 75% made of corn. Maybe it has all the nutrients and vitamins in it that a pet needs, but the most natural diet to a dog is going to be raw meat. And domesticated dogs have been living just fine for centuries eating different things. In old America, dogs always ate leftovers. In Japan, dogs were given rice and miso soup.

Supposedly there has been a large increase in gastrointestinal and various organ cancers among pets in the past several decades. I can't really say for sure what the cause is, but maybe it's all the preservatives in pet food? Either that or dogs always have been getting cancer, simply the cancer diagnosis in general has been going up for a number of different reasons. Better technology? People taking their pets to the vet more?

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Re: Morbidly obese pets = animal abuse? [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said:
Patlal said:
Not necessarily. Every brand seems to have sufficient science behind them to offer very acceptable nutrition at an affordable price. These companies seems to have been worker harder on pet nutrition then medical researchers have for a cure to cancer.


I actually disagree that pet food is good for pets. I mean sure, I know that veterinarians always promote a certain brand of pet food, but it's also important to know that they often have some sort of incentive to promote a particular brand of pet food. Ever notice that every single veterinarian has a particular brand of pet food that they like to promote?

Also, this pet food is like 75% made of corn. Maybe it has all the nutrients and vitamins in it that a pet needs, but the most natural diet to a dog is going to be raw meat. And domesticated dogs have been living just fine for centuries eating different things. In old America, dogs always ate leftovers. In Japan, dogs were given rice and miso soup.

Supposedly there has been a large increase in gastrointestinal and various organ cancers among pets in the past several decades. I can't really say for sure what the cause is, but maybe it's all the preservatives in pet food? Either that or dogs always have been getting cancer, simply the cancer diagnosis in general has been going up for a number of different reasons. Better technology? People taking their pets to the vet more?


I believe the lifespan has been increased significantly by putting pets on a pet food diet. Perhaps there is more cancers due to the fact that they live long enough to get one?

Then again medical science can be responsible for the longevity, it is for humans, why not pets?

One thing is for sure, pets are a lot healthier than they were. They are the kings of the household. Most people treat their pets better than they treat their spouse lol


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Re: Morbidly obese pets = animal abuse? [Re: Crystal G]
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Some pet foods contain known carcinogens for humans, but the regulations are so loose. From some of the colorings they use to the stuff that is on the scraps they use to make the food its all carcinogenic, but would not have an immediate effect. I first heard about this from the strange addiction show where a woman was eating cat food and the doctor explained to her how bad it was.

:evildog:

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Re: Morbidly obese pets = animal abuse? [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
I believe the lifespan has been increased significantly by putting pets on a pet food diet. Perhaps there is more cancers due to the fact that they live long enough to get one?


Has life span really increased for pets? I don't think so. Large dogs still live 7-10 years and small dogs live 10-15 years. That has never changed, to my knowledge.

The pet food industry is actually an extension of the food and agricultural industries. The food and agriculture industries stand to make a profit by using all of the "waste/leftover" product and rebranding it and marketing it as dog food. The only thing is, animals aren't accustomed to eating corn byproducts filled with horse hooves. The best diet for animals is the one that they have been evolutionarily accustomed to, which is fresh, raw foods. Since raw meat from grocers may contain e coli and salmonella, the second best option is cooked meats, such as this recipe: http://homemadedogfood.com/easy-cooked-dog-food-recipe/?gclid=CLHdur69qLoCFe01QgodtzgAoA

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Re: Morbidly obese pets = animal abuse? [Re: ChinChiller]
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Errolscool said:
Some pet foods contain known carcinogens for humans, but the regulations are so loose. From some of the colorings they use to the stuff that is on the scraps they use to make the food its all carcinogenic, but would not have an immediate effect. I first heard about this from the strange addiction show where a woman was eating cat food and the doctor explained to her how bad it was.

:evildog:


Yes, that makes perfect sense. When my last jack russell terrier got pancreatic and liver cancer, I took her to the 24 hour emergency pet hospital, and the vet there mentioned that she has seen a tremendous rise in cancer among pets within the past two decades. Reliance on pet food would explain this perfectly.

Because unlike with humans, chemotherapy is typically not conducted on old dogs, because old dogs will die soon anyway, and the multiple surgeries they will have to undergo will be too traumatic for them.

So, longevity of life is not actually being increased, despite the fact that cancers have been becoming more and more apparent now. Dogs have always continued to live the same number of years as long as I have been on this planet, which is almost 3 decades now. So what's different?

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Re: Morbidly obese pets = animal abuse? [Re: Crystal G]
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Dogs are omnivores. I live on a farm, and there are lots of coyotes around here, too.

If there is corn planted nearby, then it is not uncommon at all to find it  in their droppings.

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Re: Morbidly obese pets = animal abuse? [Re: Khii Khwaay]
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Khii Khwaay said:
Dogs are omnivores. I live on a farm, and there are lots of coyotes around here, too.

If there is corn planted nearby, then it is not uncommon at all to find it  in their droppings.


Some experts claim that dogs are carnivores and that if you look at their intestines they are designed to digest meat and not plants. But still, I often add vegetables into my dog's diet. Usually it will be parts of the vegetables I don't eat, such as the shavings of a carrot, or the hard and crunchy portion of the asparagus, or the bitter stem of kale.

As for corn, corn is not digestible by either human or dog. That's why whenever you eat corn you always pass it in your poop, it hasn't been digested at all. Animals will eat anything if they are starving and there is no food, though.

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