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The Government Healthcare Exchange--What Did You Get For The Money??? 2
#18983645 - 10/15/13 09:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Federal Government spent over $600,000 million dollars to set up the federal exchange--and they paid a Canadian Company to do it.
This fucking turd cost the taxpayers $600,000 million and its broke dick? Wow, Government really can do it better can't they. Gee, imagine what they can do if they run the healthcare system.
Oh, by the way, the company who built it, referenced in the following article, is a favorite of the administration--it has gotten lots of contracts worth hundreds of millions from the US government.
Let's see....what's do they call that? Oh yeah. Crony Capitalism...
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/obama-spent-634-million-to-build-broken-healthcare-gov-website/
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Re: The Government Healthcare Exchange--What Did You Get For The Money??? [Re: starfire_xes]
#18983741 - 10/15/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh no, government gives out contracts and has preferred people to do the work, and sometimes the work isn't satisfactory.
Nothing like that ever happens in the private sector.

Why don't we focus on the GOP costing the US 900,000 jobs due to governing by crisis, and if each job averaged paying ~$700 in federal income tax, it would have paid for the entire exchange.
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Re: The Government Healthcare Exchange--What Did You Get For The Money??? [Re: starfire_xes]
#18984369 - 10/16/13 12:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've tried to find sources on the $600 million figure. From what I can tell that figure wasn't what it cost to build the website. However the price was still in the millions. It does baffle me building a website could be that expensive considering how cheap it is to actually build a website.
Just about everything our government does is absolutely crony capitalism so I guess it's not surprising.
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Re: The Government Healthcare Exchange--What Did You Get For The Money??? [Re: Mycjunky]
#18984377 - 10/16/13 12:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Even Fox says it didn't cost that much... Only $93M according to them.
I mean, even Glen's site says so.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/10/10/rumor-check-obamacare-website-might-be-glitchy-but-it-didnt-cost-634-million/
So in otherwords, as usual, starfire_xes is full of it.
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Re: The Government Healthcare Exchange--What Did You Get For The Money??? [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18984865 - 10/16/13 05:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So in otherwords, as usual, starfire_xes is full of it.
As the Pub Senator once said in explaining his comment that 97% of what 'Planned Parenthood' did was abortions when actually it's 3%...
"the numbers were not meant to be factual"
Reality and the Republican't Party will never meet.
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Re: The Government Healthcare Exchange--What Did You Get For The Money??? [Re: Mush4Brains] 2
#18985033 - 10/16/13 06:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The site may not yet have cost over $600 million to build. It did, however, cost at least $500 million, a totally outrageous amount.
Updated and corrected figures can be found here --
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The most clear data comes from a U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) report from June (pdf), which states that the U.S. Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) spent “almost $394 million from fiscal year 2010 through March 2013 through contracts” to build the “federally facilitated exchanges” (FFEs) – the complex system that includes Healthcare.gov as well as certain state-based exchanges – the data hub, and other expenditures related to the Obamacare exchange system. While GAO states that the “highest volume” of that $394 million was related to the development of “information technology systems,” a more detailed look at that cost shows that a portion that $394 million was spent on things like call centers and collection services. Take that out, and you’re left with roughly $363 million spent on technology-related costs to the healthcare exchanges – the bulk of which ($88 million) went to CGI Federal, the company awarded a $93.7 million contract to build Healthcare.gov and other technology portions of the FFEs.
That’s already a hell of a lot of money, but that does not account for all costs accrued for this project. As the GAO states, the $392 million figure does “not include CMS salaries and other administrative costs” associated with the Obamacare exchanges. In other words, the actual cost for the development and implementation of the total Obamacare exchange system is far higher. We’ve reached out to CMS for an exact figure, but thanks to the government shutdown, we have yet to hear from them on this matter. However, we do know, according to CMS’s 2014 budget request (pdf), that agency spent more than $150 million in 2012 and 2013 in relation to the Affordable Care Act – a lowball figure considering that, in its 2013 budget request (pdf), the agency asked for more than $1 billion in additional funds “needed to support operation infrastructure” and open-enrollment preparations of the FFEs. At this point I can only speculate on the total cost to build out Healthcare.gov and the overall technology portion of the FFEs. Based on the available data, however, a conservative estimate puts the cost so far at over $500 million. Considering the GAO estimates it will cost approximately $2 billion to build-out and operate the FFEs in 2014, this is, if anything, likely far too low. Once we hear back from CMS on this matter, I’ll update this space with more detailed figures above the $363 million we know about for certain.
By the time all figures have been collected and collated, the cost may well exceed $600 million, especially considering the damned site isn't yet functional and will require a considerable amount more work to make it so, but no one can swear in a court of law today that the money spent on it to date exceeds $600 million.
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Re: The Government Healthcare Exchange--What Did You Get For The Money??? [Re: Phred]
#18985085 - 10/16/13 07:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nope, digital trends is wrong. Try again, Phred. They were the ones everybody got their $634M number from, which was blatantly false, and now you expect me to believe their new outrageous number?
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Re: The Government Healthcare Exchange--What Did You Get For The Money??? [Re: Mush4Brains] 2
#18985215 - 10/16/13 08:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you had actually read the article you would see that not only did they correct their earlier incorrect numbers, they provided links to the government websites that provided the numbers for their corrected analysis.
You can argue that the government is lying about the cost, though, if that makes you feel better.
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Re: The Government Healthcare Exchange--What Did You Get For The Money??? [Re: Phred]
#18985676 - 10/16/13 11:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Still, it's nowhere near the $600 BILLION that the OP claims it is.
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Re: The Government Healthcare Exchange--What Did You Get For The Money??? [Re: Enlil]
#18985754 - 10/16/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tru dat.
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Re: The Government Healthcare Exchange--What Did You Get For The Money??? [Re: starfire_xes]
#18988323 - 10/16/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If only people cared as much about the patriot act as they do the affordable care act.
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Re: The Government Healthcare Exchange--What Did You Get For The Money??? [Re: Smokey420]
#18989324 - 10/17/13 01:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, Im glad it only cost 100 million or so. I mean, that's nothing, hell that's a weeks salary for a lot of us. I mean I apologize that I repeated what I had read, 600 million, but 100 million or less is chicken feed, especially for something that doesn't work.
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Re: The Government Healthcare Exchange--What Did You Get For The Money??? [Re: starfire_xes]
#18989345 - 10/17/13 01:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I know right, we deserve full single payer health care like the rest of the 1st world. Not some over-hyped insurance reform.
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Re: The Government Healthcare Exchange--What Did You Get For The Money??? [Re: Smokey420]
#18989666 - 10/17/13 06:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, Im glad it only cost 100 million or so.
Patriot Act only cost a "100 million or so"?
Are you blowing smoke up Smokey's ASS?
The 'Act' cost the US $325 MILLION in '03 alone.
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Re: The Government Healthcare Exchange--What Did You Get For The Money??? [Re: Smokey420]
#18989902 - 10/17/13 08:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Smokey420 said: I know right, we deserve full single payer health care like the rest of the 1st world. Not some over-hyped insurance reform.
You don't deserve anything you don't pay for. Not one single thing.
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Re: The Government Healthcare Exchange--What Did You Get For The Money??? [Re: zappaisgod]
#18991450 - 10/17/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's the thing about single payer, Zap, everybody pays for it. Do you get refunds from your medicare taxes paid? Medicaid? Social security? Nope.
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Re: The Government Healthcare Exchange--What Did You Get For The Money??? [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18991483 - 10/17/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's the ideal, sure...but in reality, many people don't pay federal income taxes. They would be getting something for nothing.
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Re: The Government Healthcare Exchange--What Did You Get For The Money??? [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18991558 - 10/17/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: That's the thing about single payer, Zap, everybody pays for it. Do you get refunds from your medicare taxes paid? Medicaid? Social security? Nope.
Not entirely sure what point you are trying to make. You do not seem to understand where the government gets the funds it so generously disburses to piece of shit losers. It isn't by printing it although that would be better than taking it from non losers.
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Re: The Government Healthcare Exchange--What Did You Get For The Money??? [Re: Enlil]
#18992607 - 10/17/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: That's the ideal, sure...but in reality, many people don't pay federal income taxes. They would be getting something for nothing.
It doesn't matter. Whoever pays federal income taxes doesn't mean shit. The same people who pay Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security would pay the single payer tax. AKA, everyone. Mr. Defense attorney, why don't you understand this?
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Re: The Government Healthcare Exchange--What Did You Get For The Money??? [Re: zappaisgod]
#18992616 - 10/17/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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Mush4Brains said: That's the thing about single payer, Zap, everybody pays for it. Do you get refunds from your medicare taxes paid? Medicaid? Social security? Nope.
Not entirely sure what point you are trying to make. You do not seem to understand where the government gets the funds it so generously disburses to piece of shit losers. It isn't by printing it although that would be better than taking it from non losers.
That's the thing about single payer, Zap, everybody pays for it.
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