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OfflineDinoMyc
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Re: Vitamin and Dextrose supergrowth!
    #18954 - 05/30/00 05:19 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

is that for half pints?
that isnt very impressive.. mycelium inoc is usually extremely fast.. if that was for a gallon or half gallon that would be somehting


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Re: Vitamin and Dextrose supergrowth!
    #18956 - 05/30/00 07:04 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Well, I use MMGG and it usually takes 3 t0 4 weeks for full col. I was impressed.

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Re: Vitamin and Dextrose supergrowth!
    #18957 - 05/30/00 07:07 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

maybe you have stumbled onto something, i love experimenting, i try to keep all of my growth parameters within the optimum so i will do a controled experiemtn with vitamins.


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Re: Vitamin and Dextrose supergrowth!
    #18958 - 05/30/00 07:14 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

i have a bunch of dextrose and some lactose,as a homebrewer i keep a good amount around.Can i use lactose too for this?Or are shrooms lactose sugar intolarant?


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Re: Vitamin and Dextrose supergrowth!
    #18959 - 05/30/00 07:16 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

IME B+ and EQ also take about 3-4 weeks to completly colonize. Anything to make it quicker is a good thing.


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Re: Vitamin and Dextrose supergrowth!
    #18960 - 11/08/00 09:20 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

How come nobody talks about this anymore? Has anybody tried it lately?


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Re: Vitamin and Dextrose supergrowth!
    #18961 - 11/12/00 01:01 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Dextrose& vitamines ?
Most of Vitamines are slight acid, Is it changing PH of substrate, Non ???

Otherwise, I would mix PF substrate with Kiwi or Orangejuice instead of Water ??? is it same ?



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Re: Vitamin and Dextrose supergrowth!
    #18962 - 11/17/00 02:02 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Shrooms can use lactose as a sugar. I checked the label on a jar of Ovaltine and it appeared to have all the right stuff for sugars, vitamins, and other nutrients that shrooms can use without being too acid. Ovaltine might work as both a sugar and vitamin source.


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Re: Vitamin and Dextrose supergrowth!
    #18963 - 11/17/00 08:52 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

cool

i can get reagent grade dextrose from my lab too.

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Re: Vitamin and Dextrose supergrowth!
    #18964 - 11/17/00 08:57 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Cool I actually thought about that once... but didn't want to experiment (maybe ruin something) .

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Re: Vitamin and Dextrose supergrowth!
    #18965 - 11/17/00 10:04 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Yeh this was discussed earlier (like a few months ago) but not sure if anyone has tried it, probably but don't know.

However what would be the point of adding vitamins???? Shrooms don't have blood or other organs and metabolic pathways and reactions which we have. I never heard of expert gardeners adding multi vit. to there plants, and i believe growing certain plants is alot more difficult then growing B+ and other cub.. So I doubt that the vit. helped a great deal, if any. But i guess certain vitamins and especially minerals might(maybe) be benificial. By just adding vitamins to your substrate is nothing special,
and frankly i don't see why anyone is impressed. If perhaps someone would conduct an controlled experiment in hopes to issolate the nutrients and minerals which promote stronger and more rapid growth thn i would be impressed. In conclusion the vitamins added probably did nothing, either you got a good strain or did a good job controling your incubation conditions.

Either way 10 days is great, I could only get about 75% in that time.



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Re: Vitamin and Dextrose supergrowth!
    #18966 - 11/17/00 10:52 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Most living things require certain "trace elements" which must be provided for the organism to flourish. Certain organisms can manufacture almost all of the necessary components from simple sugars, while others are very specific as to what elements are required for growth to occur. Though I know nothing about the requirements of the fungi we are interested in, the principle still applies. I would suggest that vitamin experiments could be very useful, and I would suggest using ones found in health food stores called "ecogreen" or something like that in which the nutrients are all derived from whole foods as opposed to being made in the lab. I've noticed profound differences in potency just from adding a small amount of different grain flours like flax and quinoa to my standard PF mix. Experiment!
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Offlineoldmaverick
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Re: Vitamin and Dextrose supergrowth!
    #18967 - 11/18/00 12:36 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Sounds like an interesting idea,
I thought dextrose would carmelize like all other sugars during the sterilizing process.
This would mean that at high heat the dextrose would just carbonize. If carbon is a trace required for the fungi it would help.
Am I wrong ?


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Re: Vitamin and Dextrose supergrowth!
    #18968 - 11/18/00 01:44 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Shrooms do require vitamins in their substrate. The most important are: niacin, pantothenic acid, riboflavin, and thiamine.
Dextrose does not carmelize except with the most extreme sterilization temps and carmelization is probably not a good thing.
All living things require carbon in some combined form such as dextrose but elemental carbon, like charcoal, has no nutritional value.


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Re: Vitamin and Dextrose supergrowth!
    #18969 - 11/18/00 03:30 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Butt: I'd be interested in sacrificing one of my jars to try a multi-vitamin pill on. what brand pill you use? how much of the pill? and what size jar? thanks.....


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