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What vitamins/minerals do shrooms thrive on?
    #5393285 - 03/12/06 10:34 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I was thinking of getting some vitamins at the store, grinding them up and using them in a substrate. The question though is what to use? And would this matter in the end? The goal is to make the substrate last longer, with higher yields.


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Re: What vitamins/minerals do shrooms thrive on? [Re: Viruk]
    #5393358 - 03/12/06 10:53 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Look at the threads on the bottom of this page.


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Re: What vitamins/minerals do shrooms thrive on? [Re: Atheist]
    #5394802 - 03/13/06 12:51 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Ya I don't see anything about this subject, I checked.


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Re: What vitamins/minerals do shrooms thrive on? [Re: Viruk]
    #5394825 - 03/13/06 01:01 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I see about 5 or 6 thrads....


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Re: What vitamins/minerals do shrooms thrive on? [Re: sivad02487]
    #5394839 - 03/13/06 01:06 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yes he means to scroll down to the bottem of the page then see the "Related threads" ??! Check those out.


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Re: What vitamins/minerals do shrooms thrive on? [Re: sivad02487]
    #5394849 - 03/13/06 01:08 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

The threads arnt very infomative on the subject of minerals or vitamins.
Im interested aswell.


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Re: What vitamins/minerals do shrooms thrive on? [Re: Springs]
    #5394858 - 03/13/06 01:11 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

SEARCH and read up on tryptamine


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Re: What vitamins/minerals do shrooms thrive on? [Re: Springs]
    #5394872 - 03/13/06 01:16 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Well the only way to find out exactly what this species uses as
"vitamins" is to buy a book about it! go to barns & noble or order on-line!

Its really not "vitamins" its about nutrients

Vitimans*** DEF-- Any of various fat-soluble or water-soluble organic substances essential in minute amounts for normal growth and activity of the body and obtained naturally from plant and animal foods.

Nutrients*** DEF-- A source of nourishment, especially a nourishing ingredient in a food.

I have the mushroom cultivator book and it says noting about Vitimans only Nutrients are discussed


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Re: What vitamins/minerals do shrooms thrive on? [Re: Slooch]
    #5394877 - 03/13/06 01:20 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Nutrients is sort of the word I was trying to say.
Basically though something to aid in mushroom growth, so vitamins works also.
Thanks for the input guys.
Anyone got any substrate recipes that work wonders?


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Re: What vitamins/minerals do shrooms thrive on? [Re: Viruk]
    #5394887 - 03/13/06 01:24 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

search.....


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Re: What vitamins/minerals do shrooms thrive on? [Re: sivad02487]
    #5394949 - 03/13/06 01:41 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Ya thanks I did search, it doesnt really bring up any important info, because 99% of the posts say SEARCH! and thats it, share info or shut up.


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Re: What vitamins/minerals do shrooms thrive on? [Re: Viruk]
    #5394978 - 03/13/06 01:48 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

carbon / nitrogen ratio <17:1, nitrogen 2.6%, phosphorus 0.2-05%, potassium 1.5-2.5%, calcium 1.5-2.5%, available boron <2 ppm, available ammonium <10 ppm, soluble salts 3.0-5 OdS/m.

A food high fiber substrate like compost and/or h/poo has everything they need.

You can add a few vitamins & trace elements, by adding 1% KELP MEAL.

Grinding up vitamin pills & adding them, will not get you far.


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Re: What vitamins/minerals do shrooms thrive on? [Re: Viruk]
    #5394983 - 03/13/06 01:50 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

first off,
You didn't search RIGHT, or else you would have answered your own questions.
Second,
MAYBE if you went under the "Mushroom Cultivation" section, then to "Substrates" they MIGHT have something about substrates(one could only guess)
Hmmmm, who would have thought that substrates are under a substrate page????
Or maybe I'm just retarded and your just blind


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Re: What vitamins/minerals do shrooms thrive on? [Re: sivad02487]
    #5395072 - 03/13/06 02:21 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Or maybe you're just an asshole. There is no reason to be a dick when someone asks a question. Further, he didn't ask about substrate, he asked about vitamins/minerals.

One observation I've made over the years is that a majority of growers seem to leave gypsum out of their compost and casing recipies. Gypsum provides calcium and sulphur, which are both necessary for good fruitbody formation. Gypsum will also buffer your substrate or casing, preventing wild swings in ph. Use at up to ten percent of the total material in your casing or compost by volume. I hope this helps.
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Re: What vitamins/minerals do shrooms thrive on? [Re: Viruk]
    #5395166 - 03/13/06 02:52 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Viruk said:
Nutrients is sort of the word I was trying to say.
Basically though something to aid in mushroom growth, so vitamins works also.
Thanks for the input guys.
Anyone got any substrate recipes that work wonders?




He actually did ask about substrates
I will apologize to Viruk for coming off like an ass hole
But he was not right in telling someone who was taking time to help him to shut up


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Re: What vitamins/minerals do shrooms thrive on? [Re: sivad02487]
    #5395671 - 03/13/06 05:48 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Sivad I did look under those subsrates, they are mostly brown rice flour or bird seed, you blind fucking dick.
Thanks rogerrabbit, some people are dicks eh?


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Re: What vitamins/minerals do shrooms thrive on? [Re: Viruk]
    #5396182 - 03/13/06 08:46 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

If you can't always get what ya want,
Ya just might find,
Ya can get what you need,
At the shroomery.

00Zen didn't post much, but he should be required reading for anyone wanting to learn. Here's a snippet of his in reference to nute/vitamins:

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00Zen said in the thread titled: Enhanced Psilocybin Production (7.5 G Psilocybin) [01/11/02]
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Product: 100 g of concentrated Synthetic Nutrient Solution
Concentration: 100 g will produce 8 L of aqueous nutrient solution.
Acidity: 12.5 g of concentrate should produce 1 L of solution with a pH of 5.5
Quality: Does not need to meet reagent purity, food grade is acceptable.
Make Up: Relevance of definition in the order of Formula, Name, then CAS RN:
(Recommended CAS RN may not be the optimum form of substance)

1. Glucose (C6H12O6) [80 g] CAS: [50-99-7]
2. Ammonium Succinate (C4H12N2O4) [8 g] CAS: [2226-88-2]
3. Yeast Extract (Organic Extract) [4 g] CAS: [8013-01-2]
4. Magnesium Sulfate (MgSO4-7H2O) [4 g] CAS: [7487-88-9]
5. Glycine (C2H5NO2) [3 g] CAS: [CAS 56-40-6]
6. Potassium Phosphate (KH2PO4) [800 mg] CAS: [7778-77-0]
7. Thiamine Hydrochloride (C12H17ClN4OS HCl) [24 mg] CAS: [67-03-8]
8. Ferrous Sulfate, Heptahydrate (FeSO4-7H2O) [20 mg] CAS: [7720-78-7]
9. Cupric Sulfate, 5-Hydrate (CuSO4-5H2O) [4 mg] CAS: [7758-98-7]
10. Manganese Chloride, 4-Hydrate (MnCl2-4H2O) [2.8 mg] CAS: [7773-01-5]
11. Zinc Sulfate, Heptahydrate (ZnSO4-7H2O) [2.4 mg] CAS: [7733-02-0]
12. Ammonium Molybdate, 4-Hydrate ((NH4)6Mo7O24-4H2O) [.4 mg] CAS: [12027-67-7]
13. DiHydrogen Oxide (H2O) [146.4 mg - X] CAS: [7732-18-5]
14. Hydrochloric Acid (HCl) [X mg] adjusted to balance solution pH when properly diluted.

In a perfect world, they'd be a perfect supply for new and improved < Mycelium MagicGro(tm) > *j/k*; but it turns out that most labs and chem supplies are about 10 times higher in price then if you just find the right place to look. For instance Magnesium Sulfate sells for $12.50 / 125g at a popular online chem supply. But a quick spin around the bathroom isle in the super market can land you 500g U.S.P. grade MgSO4 for $1.00 in the form of Epsom salts. Another potentially pricey aspects of mass production is all the Glucose, 2 kg of top of the line high octane D-Glucose can run close to $100.00 from a chem supply. The brewers among us have already realized this can be had in good purity from corn sugars at $2.00 per kilo.

Elusive Chemicals - http://chem.com/catalogs/

Vitamins

The nutrients also contain a large group of minerals that can be found in multi-vitamins. Typically the dosage is the wrong ratio of nutrients, there's myriad amounts of possibly undesirable substances, and in order to get a successful dose of Thiamine you have to find the super thiamine vitamins with 300% DV. I'd imagine a trip to the local GNC or Health Food Store could be very inspiring in the search for other cost effective supplies of these nutrients though. The desired form of these minerals is a Sulfate because it is relatively neutral and doesn't destroy your carefully balance pH. I've been told of on going experiments implementing PDA, high levels of glucose, and multi-vitamins attempting to create a suitable environment for submerged psilocybin production; there has been no definitive data from this source yet.
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Full thread here.


Edited by mogur (03/13/06 08:54 PM)


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Re: What vitamins/minerals do shrooms thrive on? [Re: mogur]
    #5409146 - 03/16/06 06:19 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

See now thats a post. Thanks for the info.


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