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Re: There is doubt as to whether rap is a real artform. [Re: TxTec]
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Edited by TxTec (09/04/03 02:46 AM)

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Re: There is doubt as to whether rap is a real artform. [Re: TxTec]
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Edited by Thor (09/04/03 02:46 AM)

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Re: There is doubt as to whether rap is a real artform. [Re: ekomstop]
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jurassic 5 = worst rap group ever. i'd rather listen to the bling bling shit than listen to a bunch of 30 year old dudes who have nothing better to talk about than now they are real hiphop and everyone else is fake. how can someone listen to hiphop solely about hiphop?


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Re: There is doubt as to whether rap is a real artform. [Re: SizzlinJ]
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the only hip-hop i listen to is wu-tang and dead prez. dunno, i really dont like anything else. clipse had some good beats but sold out. r kelly and all that shit pisses me off no end. whats the deal with his trial anyway?


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Let your food be medicine and your medicine be food - Hippocrates

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Re: There is doubt as to whether rap is a real artform. [Re: mikey_]
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i like busta and snoops old shit, nwa, tribe called quest and that's about it. a few bone thugs songs too. i'm more of a techno or orchestral guy myself.

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Re: There is doubt as to whether rap is a real artform. [Re: ]
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lol...I like dead prez as well, but I feel kinda strange listening to them considering most of there songs bash white people, but its still good.


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Re: There is doubt as to whether rap is a real artform. [Re: Big Fi52]
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Since Pac died its all gone downhill. The rappers then had meaningful lyrics, original beats.. Nowdays these fake rappers couldnt stand a chance if some artists like pac were around. as long as they get their money they could give 2 shits about their message or the quality of their music.

Same with rock I think, music has been going downhill in general.


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Re: There is doubt as to whether rap is a real artform. [Re: Cheebatoke]
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tupac wasn't even that great, he's just dead so everyone likes him

There's still lots of good rap, it's just not what gets the most airtime.


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Re: There is doubt as to whether rap is a real artform. [Re: Cheebatoke]
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Rappers don't have original beats anymore? you're crazy man, the only thing good about modern mainstream hiphop is the beats, the neptunes come up with some CRAZY shit, aint nothing wrong with the beats out today. i'm glad they got away from the same old stale sounding shit and moved on to a more techno-y style


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Re: There is doubt as to whether rap is a real artform. [Re: SizzlinJ]
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I came in a little late to this thread, so to circumvent having to respond to each individual idea you all have given I'll give you my synopsis. Basically I agree with all of you when you say that "rap is crap" yada yada. But ...

Anyone who says that anything isn't a form of art is devoid of the understanding of what the idea of art is.

Yes, rap today has been sold out.

Yes, the artists that appear on the tellie and the radio are puppets to the companies that control them.

Yes, none of them write their own music, and nor do their producers because it's all resampled and remixed until the shit gets old. A few years later, dust off that beat and put the newest pop face on it and BAM! It's a chart topper for the summer.

But ...

If one solitary soul, despite their lacking of common sense and taste, believes this bullshit to be auditorily pleasing ... then it's art to them. Intrinsically, anything created my human hands can defined as a form of art. Your opinion as to the validity of rap as an artform changes nothing.

Now here's where my real point at hand is. If you disagree with me thus far and think I'm a complete ass of a Jack ... read on to redeem me I implore.

RAP IS BULLSHIT ... HIP-HOP IS THE DIVINE LIGHT. BUT! YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAPPEN UPON HIP-HOP! NO ONE PLAYS HIP-HOP ON THE RADIO! YOU DON'T SEE HIP-HOP ON THE TELLIE! HIP-HOP IS UNDERGROUND!

Or at least that's where the ill shit is. Shall I direct you?

www.definitivejux.com
www.mowax.com
www.fingerprint-records.com

Murs
Eyedea and Abilities
Cannibal Ox
Sage Francis
Atmosphere
Soul Position
Brother Ali
Dj Shadow
Dan Tha Automator
Jurassic 5
DJ Cut Chemist
RJD2
DJ Z-Trip
Kid Koala
Hieroglyphics
Del Tha Funky Homosapien
Blackalicious
El-P
People Under the Stairs
Blueprint
Slug
Mr. Dibbs
Beat Junkies
EPMD
Eric B. and Rakim
Tribe Called Quest
Alkaholiks
Pharcyde
Outkast
Goodie Mob
Cee-Lo Green

This is just to name a few people. The true artists lurk in the shadows. They play live shows. They don't have videos. Look for good hip-hop and you'll find that there is an art untold. You'll never stop searching.


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Re: There is doubt as to whether rap is a real artform. [Re: TxTec]
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If you read crap books, you could cast doubt over whether writing is an artform. If you look at crap paintings, you may think painting isn't an artform. WIth rap it's slightly harder cos 99.9% of it is shit, but there's good stuff out there. Like Thor said, I reckon the early 90s stuff is best. Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, Jungle Brothers, they have classic albums that any intelligent music fan/critic will be able to appreciate.

My personal favourite is The Low End Theory by Tribe. Awesome. Smoke a fatty then put it on.


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Re: There is doubt as to whether rap is a real artform. [Re: mr_kite]
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We should maybe start a thread about old school rap, lets try to come up with a list of the old shit:

NWA
Public Enemy
Ice T
Eric B. & Rakim
De La Soul
Jungle Brothers
EPMD
Big Daddy Cane
3rd Bass
A Tribe Called Quest
The D.O.C (Funky enough, etc.. NWA Crew)
Grandmaster Flash
Run DMC
Kid & Play
Beastie Boys!
Rob Base & DJ E-Z Rock
Boogie Down Productions
Young MC
Tone-Loc
Too $hort
Kool Moe Dee  :rolleyes:
Naughty by Nature
Eazy-E

 

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Re: There is doubt as to whether rap is a real artform. [Re: Thor]
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Mainstream
Mainstream
Mainstream
Mainstream
Mainstream
Mainstream

Just to clarify ... this is now a thread about mainstream and old school mainstr4eam rap, right?


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The times are good. The living is easy. The vibes are zingy.

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Re: There is doubt as to whether rap is a real artform. [Re: Prodijal_Son]
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honestly, jurassic 5 is so fucking over-rated. that shit is horrid. i enjoy just about every person on your list, def. del/hieroglyphics, and blackalicious, but i think bling bling rap/hiphop does have its place in music, its party music, lil wayne/cash money records, lil jon and the eastside boys, what better music to hear at a party?

and bone thugs n harmony have more talent than alot of rappers and hiphop artists out there. i also like three six mafia but that's just because sometimes i enjoy mindless pissed off music, it has balls.

Clipse is another good modern rap act, sick beats and they don't talk about cash, and instead of just talking about selling coke and shit, they actually convey how they feel about it and it gets to them after a while. pretty good shit.


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Re: There is doubt as to whether rap is a real artform. [Re: SizzlinJ]
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Bone is crap .... if you can't do a show without voiceover .... you're crap. My buddy saw them in Boulder and said that they had their lyrics in the background the entire show.


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Re: There is doubt as to whether rap is a real artform. [Re: Prodijal_Son]
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i wasn't aware of that, and i don't have proof of it either.
i saw them live once and didn't notice any lipsyncing because they actually changed a few verses up.


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Re: There is doubt as to whether rap is a real artform. [Re: mr_kite]
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hARDLY ANY RAPPERS ARE RICH. It's almost impossible to make money in rap. A lot of rappers were disappointed with their labels way of paying them. Man, JAh Rule was fresh on Joey Crack's song "WHat's Love Got to do With It." Anyone who thinks Jah Rule wasn't fresh wasn't listening to him. Now he just raps about fucking bitches in the backseat of his Yukon. Rap has really degenerated into a blinded sort of contest about who can be the most qualified. peace out.


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Re: There is doubt as to whether rap is a real artform. [Re: Big Fi52]
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Sizzlinj do u seriously think jurrasic 5 sucks, wow that is sad. They are a great group with smart lyrics for once. They have interesting songs and they actually care about how the music sounds instead of a lot of MTV crap rappers. Well thats ur opinion so i won't flame about it. Peace, shroom on.

btw does anyone here like Wu Tang Clan? I havent seen it mentioned and they are fuckin awesome! If you have never listened to their music, download some of their songs and give it a listen, its GOOD shit! I also really like A tribe called quest.


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Re: There is doubt as to whether rap is a real artform. [Re: RespectTheFungus]
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rap is something you do
hiphop is something you live

KRS-1


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Re: There is doubt as to whether rap is a real artform. [Re: SizzlinJ]
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I agree there are still some good artists.. my post was concerning mainstream/radio music


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