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Invisibletheshiftingwalls
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HBWR effects both mentally/psychically
    #1783557 - 08/06/03 01:13 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

This thread is about possible effects of HBWR. You might find its effects similar in ways or even in different ways then other psychedelics (ex. mushrooms, acid, DXM, mesc, ect) :

-Feeling of head being twice as big.
-Colors focus to reds and yellows hues.
-Disorientated with limbs (seem lanky and extremely odd).
-Seeing wispy flowery fractal patterns.
-Intense euphoria, with the feeling of pure bliss (very different from MDMA).
-Swore at the back of the legs.
-The feeling of rolling out and up.
-Hearing psytrance/mind music in the background.
-Nature/plants seems to almost dance because its so alive.
-The feeling you pissed your self.
-Extremely vibrant colors.
-Pale yellow trails.
-Extra 6 sense.
-Dreamy feeling.
-Nausea and body load.
-Tranquil thoughts.
-Body tracers (you can actually feel inside the trails you make).
-Constantly pissing with an horrible tangy smell.
-Has the same kind of feeling when your in a lucid dream trying to wake your self up.
-You visit the dream world inside the back your brain.
-Feeling your mind is wide open.
-Hollow feeling.
-Clear thinking
-Extreme eye dilation.
-Pale face.
-Drunk feeling.
-Extreme out bursts off energy.
-Extremely sensitive to touch.
-Rainbows around lights.
-Enhanced textures.
-Pleasant after-glow.
-Slightly slurred speech.
-Strange ways of walking.
-Your back arches down and neck seems to raises up.
-Anaesthization of the skin and deeper tissue.
-Feelings of coldness in the limbs.
-High energy levels.
-Muscle aches and cramps upon exertion.

I'd compare the trip to a ALD-52 experience. Very mellow green trip. I recommend this to any tripper who really wants something learned out of the trip.

I would give it 8 out of 10. I myself have tripped on HBWR 7-9 times and enjoy it as much as I do mushrooms and acid.

If any one would like to add anything to the list your welcome to.


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Re: HBWR effects both mentally/psychically [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1783582 - 08/06/03 01:19 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

It's DXM.


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Re: HBWR effects both mentally/psychically [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #1783728 - 08/06/03 01:57 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

--Anaesthization of the skin and deeper tissue
--Feelings of coldness in the limbs
--High energy levels
--Muscle aches and cramps upon exertion


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Re: HBWR effects both mentally/psychically [Re: Sev]
    #1784337 - 08/06/03 09:20 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

bump :smile:


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Re: HBWR effects both mentally/psychically [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1784346 - 08/06/03 09:30 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

your recomended dosage/preparation? what works for you?


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Re: HBWR effects both mentally/psychically [Re: trippinlizard]
    #1784396 - 08/06/03 10:11 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...;o=&fpart=1 (read my post)

I recommend 5-8 seeds for first time trip and if wanted exceed dosage next trip. You have to remember though this is a great tool to explore the hidden parts of the psyche. Which adds tremendous themes to the trip. Which is unlike any other ethnogen known to man.

So be mentally and psychically prepared. You have to give this ethnogen great respect for its power of reveling the mind to one.

I don't want to sound crazy or anything but you visit parts of the universe unknown to man.
It only could be parts of the psyche that have never been used before. But it doesn't alter reality. It comes part of reality. You will see what I'm talking about when you try these scared beautiful seeds.

Very very interesting scared ethnogen.

A true shamans tool...


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Re: HBWR effects both mentally/psychically [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1784413 - 08/06/03 10:26 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

lol, i've done 'em before but everyone always argues about how to prepare them and dose and whatnot, glad to see that you respect the entheos for what they are tho man, stay hard :grin:

have you done salvia?, my breakthrough experience was the most difficult/crazy/enlightening/terrifying experience of my life, i've done many psychedelics, but nothing can prepare you for salvia.

peace.



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Re: HBWR effects both mentally/psychically [Re: trippinlizard]
    #1784440 - 08/06/03 10:46 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Lady Sally is next on my things to do list.. Sounds like it would be good combo with HBWR maybe?


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Re: HBWR effects both mentally/psychically [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1784476 - 08/06/03 11:13 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

HBWR + salvia = :crazy2:

I tried Salvia for my first time when I was *straight*, and it was still awesome... for some reason I pet my dog for like 30 minutes, walked outside and sat down and watched hummingbirds in my garden, laid in my hammock and had one of my most spiritual experiences to date.

I've also done salvia while on HBWR... I melted into a dresser, a friend of mine went back in time (but was in five separate times at once), my friend's legs fell off... the combination of the two is incredible. I suggest making a bigass grav, smoke some herb an hour after you dose your seeds, then once the trip starts kicking in full force do a grav of salvia. Hold it in for 30 seconds and I guarantee by 20 you'll be out of this world.

Oh ya, if you go to Bouncing Bear you can buy 3 grams of 5x for like $32 or something and get a free gram because your order is over $30. Not a bad deal at all.


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Re: HBWR effects both mentally/psychically [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1784485 - 08/06/03 11:18 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

The unappreciative bastards in EG didn't care much for my thread, which I think is very helpful.  :rolleyes:  I suggest trying it at least once if you're going to dose HBWR. Who knows, you might like it.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...;o=&fpart=1

I'll try your method, TSW, if you try mine :smile: I'd like another person's opinion on the technique I use, and I'll be sure to get back to you about your's. My seeds should be coming in a few days. 


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Re: HBWR effects both mentally/psychically [Re: Adden]
    #1784512 - 08/06/03 11:27 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Cool. :cool:

Thanks for the info dude. :thumbup: 


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Re: HBWR effects both mentally/psychically [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1786950 - 08/07/03 01:10 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Anyone else have an HBWR experience and would like talk about its effects on the brain? Or any other methods of preparation/dosage and general questions about HBWR? Ill be happy to answer any of your questions.


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Re: HBWR effects both mentally/psychically [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1789871 - 08/07/03 09:31 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I didn't scrap my seeds at all and I didn't feel any noticable nausea. Except when I went through the whole "what have just done" stuff...


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Re: HBWR effects both mentally/psychically [Re: Funguy]
    #1790190 - 08/07/03 10:52 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

edited



Edited by iglou (09/13/03 05:04 AM)


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Re: HBWR effects both mentally/psychically [Re: iglou]
    #1790789 - 08/08/03 02:31 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Iglou try scraping every thing from the outer layer and eat alot of the scrapings... Then tell me its not toxic..

The method I thought was the burning method which burns some of the nasties inside the seeds (the nasties and some small amounts of goodies).
I heard extacts that only extract the LSA work better and achieve a stronger trip.
Burning sort of burns the nasties inside the seed same theory as extracting (taking away the nasties part of extracting).

Do it Iglou and see or any one for that matter.

edited: period..lol.

You will get an extreme hang over if you don't burn for quick burn like (3 secs). NOT SICK BUT TOXIC VERY AFTERWARDS. Try my method and see compare to not burnt and not scraped.


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Re: HBWR effects both mentally/psychically [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1791909 - 08/08/03 01:26 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Iglou try scraping every thing from the outer layer and eat alot of the scrapings... Then tell me its not toxic..




Re-read my posts. Never did I say that the outer layer is completely innocuous, rather I said the cyanogenic glycosides (that which tend to make people sick) are found through and throughout every part of the seed. However, the cyanogenic glycosdies are in more concentration in the seedbody itself. Therefore removing the outer layer only removes a tiny, unnoticable fraction of the cyanogenic glycosides.

Scraping only makes the pulveriztion of the seeds that much more easier and efficient. It is an urban myth that they prevent sickness - do some research and stop spreading misinformation.

Supposed "LSA" extracts are bogus as well. Check out the Entheogen Review. Only cold-water extrations are semi-worthwhile, but not really.

Burning, as you suggest, only serves to degrade the seeds (both the LSA and cyanogenic glycosdies), meaning you have to consume more to achieve the same effect as a lesser, non-burnt amount of seed.

Seriously, why go through all of this trouble? Scrapping and burning do not reduce or prevent any discomfort anymore than eating a smaller amount of seed. If you honestly want to reduce or prevent discomfort, all you have to do is simply eat less on an empty stomach! It is that easy.

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You will get an extreme hang over if you don't burn for quick burn like (3 secs).




Wrong.

Quote:

Try my method and see compare to not burnt and not scraped.




I already did and your method is useless and waste of effort and seed. All anyone has to do to achieve the same effect is simply eat a smaller amount of seed on an empty stomach. Think about it.


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Re: HBWR effects both mentally/psychically [Re: iglou]
    #1792284 - 08/08/03 03:41 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Oh you did use it...I like it and will stick with it till the day I die. You seriously gotta be quick with the flame though because of degeneration.

The burning just some how unlocks the spiritual purposes of the trip. If chemical or on a spiritual level, who knows. All that I know I achieve stronger trip from doing it.

Hell I got many intense light trips off one cap (3.5 seeds) off my method. But when I just scraped and took 4 seeds I just felt sick, didn't trip at all and nothing...

The only way to tell the difference is take 14 seeds from my method.
And take 14 seeds of the other method the next 2 weeks later.

Just a thought...


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Re: HBWR effects both mentally/psychically [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1795229 - 08/09/03 02:14 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

If four seeds does nothing for you and you really need fourteen, then well, there is a significant chance you do not possess argyreia nervosa seed. Probably the African or Indian variety.

True argyreia nervosa is active even at one seed.



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Re: HBWR effects both mentally/psychically [Re: iglou]
    #1795388 - 08/09/03 03:23 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Well it just might be variation in potency from seed to seed? (I purchase all my seeds from boucingb always, plus I didn't burn the seeds that time)

I myself have had 4 light trips off 4 seed doses and had very enlightening experience's. Like I'm saying 14 seeds are for those heroic dose level 5 trips when the walls start to shift :wink:. I like HBWR level 5 trips because of the intense shifting visuals unlike anything else I have encountered.

12-14 seeds seem to get me to level 5. And HBWR level 5 trips are nothing comparable to mushrooms or acid level 5 trips (instead of ego-death there is ego-bliss) . Very hard to describe, you can think crystal clear but at the same time the world is spinning around you, everything is nothing, nothing is every thing but you feel at pure bliss with every thing...

I don't really advise to take HBWR level 5 trips because of extreme chances of possible side effects (remember the higher the dose the more likely that the effects on that list become more possible). But after you learn the trip with 4 low dose HBWR trips under your belt you can processed.

I must just have a bold taste for HBWR. :smile: 


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Re: HBWR effects both mentally/psychically [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1882630 - 09/04/03 09:37 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Bump :smile: .


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