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Here comes the student loan bailout
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2012 is the year the student loan bubble finally popped. While on one hand the relentlessly rising total Federal student debt crossed $956 billion as of September 30, and was growing at a pace that will have put it over $1 trillion by the end of 2012, the one data point confirming the size, severity and ultimately bursting of this latest debt bubble was the disclosure in late November by the Fed that the percentage of 90+ day delinquent loans soared from under 9% to 11% in one quarter.




Which is why we were not surprised to learn that the Federal government has now delivered yet another bailout program: this time focusing not on banks, or homeowners who bought McMansions and decided to not pay their mortgage, but on those millions of Americans, aged 18 to 80, that are drowning in student debt - debt, incidentally, which has been used to pay for drugs, motorcycles, games, tattoos, not to mention countless iProducts. Which also means that since there is no free lunch, all that will happen is that even more Federal Debt will be tacked on to replace discharged student debt loans, up to the total $1 trillion which will promptly soar far higher as more Americans take advantage of this latest government handout. But when the US will already have $22 trillion in debt this time in four years, who really is counting? After all, "it is only fair" that the taxpayer funded "free for all" bonanza must go on.

The latest debt bailout, not surprisingly is not titled "Yet another taxpayer funded bailout for those who bought things they can't afford on credit" as that would not be very politically prudent, especially for those politicians who still have taxpaying citizens as their voters. Instead, its name is the much more PC: "Pay as You Earn Repayment Plan." Alas, it really should be called the former, because what it does is it incentivizes Americans to borrow even more Federal student loans, well aware that there will now always be a cap on the associated monthly interest payment which will never leave a mark regardless what the full underlying loan notional is. It also provides for full debt discharge should the borrowers end up with cushy Federal jobs - because the one thing the US government needs afford is more debt-saddled government workers.

What is the "Pay as You Earn Repayment Plan"? The WSJ explains:

    A new federal program should make it easier for some recent college graduates to keep their student-loan payments manageable.

    The new option, known as the "Pay as You Earn Repayment Plan," lets eligible borrowers sharply lower their monthly loan payments and qualify for loan forgiveness quicker than they might otherwise.

    "It's a very good safety net for students who borrow too much," says Mark Kantrowitz, publisher of the financial-aid site FinAid.org. "If your debt exceeds your annual income, you will probably benefit."

    Pay as You Earn, which took effect on Dec. 21, "is designed to help offset the effects of the recession for student borrowers most likely to take a hit in this tough job market," says Lauren Asher, president of the Institute for College Access and Success, which has pushed for the creation of income-based repayment plans.

Which in the New Normal, means everyone with a student loan will benefit. It also means, that courtesy of knowing this safety net is there, more and more people will take advantage of the government's latest generosity with other taxpayer's money.

What are the terms of this new bailout?

    The new program comes at a time when rising student-loan balances—amid a still shaky job market—have weighed heavily on many families.

    Typically, federal student loans must be repaid within 10 years. At current interest rates, that can work out to a monthly payment of roughly $300 for a borrower with $26,000 in debt.

    Pay as You Earn, by contrast, limits student-loan payments to 10% of "discretionary income" as defined by government formulas. Borrowers who make regular payments could have the remaining unpaid amounts forgiven after 20 years.

So much for student debt being non-dischargeable: borrow hundreds of thousands, but make your monthly payment of a hundred or so bucks, and in 20 years you will be debt free, courtesy of US taxpayers. Actually, scratch that: one doesn't even have to make a payment!

    In some cases, borrowers with low incomes could be required to make a zero-dollar payment and would still be considered current on their loan. Monthly payments can increase or decrease each year based on the borrower's income and family size.

For those who think getting full debt forgiveness in 20 years is far too long, why there's a loophole for that too: just go "work" for Uncle Sam:

    Borrowers with public-service jobs may qualify for loan forgiveness after just 10 years.

As for eligibility "constraints":

    To be eligible for the program, borrowers must have taken out their first federal student loan after Sept. 30, 2007, and received at least one federal student loan after Sept. 30, 2011. Borrowers also must meet eligibility cutoffs based on the size of their debt, their discretionary income and family size.

    The U.S. Department of Education's Pay As You Earn calculator, available at studentaid.gov, can help you determine if you qualify. Borrowers can apply for the program online or by contacting the loan servicer that collects their payments on behalf of the federal government.

In other words, virtually all people who were responsible for the diagonal take off in the Federal student loan total in the current depression are now eligible for what will eventually be full debt discharge.

So let's get this straight:

    go to some "everyone who applies is admitted" community college
    take on the biggest Federal loan one can get
    use the proceeds for everything besides the tuition (of course)
    be unable to find a job after graduation (naturally)
    plead poverty, accusing evil employers who don't hire those who majored in Foosball, and make "zero" payments while remaining in "compliance"
    get a job working for the government, wait ten years, and have the entire loan magically disappear.

And there it is: incentives for the common, and very much broke, man in the New Normal.

If there is anyone out there who thinks this will not result in a "charge it" feeding frenzy and that the Federal student loan total will not go absolutely parabolic going forward, please raise your hand.

Of course, what is not discussed, is who is on the other side of all those forgiven loans. And the answer, dear taxpaying US readers, is starting at you in the mirror. Because all the Federal government will do is transfer the unfunded obligation, which has already been used to satisfy the purchase of goods and services, from one individual to the whole group.

But when one is dealing with the government of a country that is no longer even fit to be defined as "banana", what is adding one more trillion between already insolvent counterparties.

Finally, yes, this means the Fed just tacked on one more year of QE to its $1 trillion/year in US debt monetization, which also means the Fed's balance sheet will now also be used for to fund student loan forgiveness, among so many other things.[/url]


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The countdown to the break up of the euro has officially begun.

A great financial crisis is going to erupt in Europe, and it is going to shake the world to the core.

If you were frightened by what happened back in 2008, then you are going to be absolutely horrified by what is coming next.

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Edited by Shill (01/11/13 08:12 AM)

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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: Shill]
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Society is going to crumble in my lifetime. I can feel it.


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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: Shill]
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I guess it depends on your viewpoint.  There was a small (25) increase, bringing the total number of 90+ delinquents to 11%, which may also be viewed as relatively small.

I wonder how these numbers compare to "other" standard loans and things like home mortgages?


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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: Shill] * 3
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I know of very intelligent and driven people who get jobs right out of college and it still takes them 15+ years to pay off the debt while living modestly. It should not be like that.


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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: The_Aviator] * 4
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I love it, "who decided not to pay". They make it sound like were pissing off to Vegas for a weekend instead of paying our loans.  Love how people who write articles choose their words.


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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: Its Pat]
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:rofl:


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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: Shill] * 1
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Shill said:
    To be eligible for the program, borrowers must have taken out their first federal student loan after Sept. 30, 2007, and received at least one federal student loan after Sept. 30, 2011. Borrowers also must meet eligibility cutoffs based on the size of their debt, their discretionary income and family size.





Too long, didn't read all of it. I pretty much stopped here with this bullshit... Must have taken out their first federal student loan after Sept. 30th 2007? WTF?

"Oh, you're over the age of 23, no help for you!"

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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: badchad]
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badchad said:
I guess it depends on your viewpoint.  There was a small (25) increase, bringing the total number of 90+ delinquents to 11%, which may also be viewed as relatively small.

I wonder how these numbers compare to "other" standard loans and things like home mortgages?



There is nothing small about 11% of loans being delinquent, 11% of $1 trillion is over $100 billion of bad debt, and this is just the start, just wait a few years.

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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: qman]
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How about a graph of the cost of going to school?

Costs have skyrocketed in the last 15 years.

And the economy is the worst it's been in the last 15 years.

Wonder if there is a correlation between a bad economy / higher debt (higher monthly payments) / higher cost of going to school?

Put yourselves in someone else's shoes. 22 years old. $80,000 in debt. No job and facing a $500/month payment. Ya, he's gonna be able to purchase his own home...in about 25 years after he pays off his first mortgage student loan debt.

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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: Confucian]
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Confucian said:
How about a graph of the cost of going to school?

Costs have skyrocketed in the last 15 years.

And the economy is the worst it's been in the last 15 years.

Wonder if there is a correlation between a bad economy / higher debt (higher monthly payments) / higher cost of going to school?

Put yourselves in someone else's shoes. 22 years old. $80,000 in debt. No job and facing a $500/month payment. Ya, he's gonna be able to purchase his own home...in about 25 years after he pays off his first mortgage student loan debt.



Costs have gone up because standards for education have been lowered and students are getting a free ride on the loans. The rising costs would not have occurred if colleges were more selective.


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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: Confucian]
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I can't make out the numbers on this graph. But it looks like debt went up five-fold, from about $200 billion to now $1 trillion, in about 8 years.

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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: Confucian]
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Oh fun. Another financial problem.

I blame this on the fact that kids with diplomas can only get minimum salary jobs if they get lucky.

Just fucking get your PhD, declare bankruptc, start work a super high paying job, waitfor  that 7 year period to end and then just buy a huge house cash, then borrow what you need to buy income properties and become a multimillionaire.

The banks have been fucking people over, time to fuck over the banks. Every man for himslef


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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: The_Aviator]
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I decided to pay for my groceries, when you're living on assistance you have to make your.choices.  I would rather pay double my unemployment insurance to have a full pay check worth of benefits while I'm not working.


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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
Oh fun. Another financial problem.

I blame this on the fact that kids with diplomas can only get minimum salary jobs if they get lucky.

Just fucking get your PhD, declare bankruptc, start work a super high paying job, waitfor  that 7 year period to end and then just buy a huge house cash, then borrow what you need to buy income properties and become a multimillionaire.

The banks have been fucking people over, time to fuck over the banks. Every man for himslef




you cant file bankruptcy on a student loan in the US, under certain
circumstances the debt can be forgiven but a student loan stays on
your credit forever. thanks to identity theft I have a student loan
on my credit for the last 25 years

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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
Patlal said:
Oh fun. Another financial problem.

I blame this on the fact that kids with diplomas can only get minimum salary jobs if they get lucky.

Just fucking get your PhD, declare bankruptc, start work a super high paying job, waitfor  that 7 year period to end and then just buy a huge house cash, then borrow what you need to buy income properties and become a multimillionaire.

The banks have been fucking people over, time to fuck over the banks. Every man for himslef




you cant file bankruptcy on a student loan in the US, under certain
circumstances the debt can be forgiven but a student loan stays on
your credit forever. thanks to identity theft I have a student loan
on my credit for the last 25 years



I kinda knew that...

I was half trolling... One half knew it wouldn't work, the other half wished it would work.

Seems like there's nothing you can do anymore. Other than starting your own business of course, if you're one of the lucky people with these genes in you.

Oh mighty Pris. When will this financial crisis ever end  :wtfsonic:


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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: Confucian] * 1
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Confucian said:
Put yourselves in someone else's shoes. 22 years old. $80,000 in debt. No job and facing a $500/month payment. Ya, he's gonna be able to purchase his own home...in about 25 years after he pays off his first mortgage student loan debt.




and he'd be $30,000 in debt had he not decided to include party money (living
expenses) into that loan and decided on some worthless liberal arts degree that
has no  value in the job market.

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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Who are you to say that $50,000 of that money was spent on partying? You don't know the cost of living where said person was, transportation expenses, books, rent, food, or even the price of tuition including possible credits outside of the regular semester? Also there are plenty of people with worthwhile, non liberal arts degrees, that have trouble finding employment and not all employers consider LA degrees to be useless either.


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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: Patlal]
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Didnt Germany have a free education thing in the 80's when they had a stellar unemployment rate? leading to a huge rate of literacy and educated people per capita. wonder what that did to the education and job market today. i eavesdropped like an asshole at dinner once and heard this. curious how much truth there is. makes sense cause some Germans came to install a machine made in Germany in this factory i work for and they all had masters in M.E. seemed like overkill for technicians assembling cheese packaging equipment a redneck will maintain when they leave.


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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
Oh mighty Pris. When will this financial crisis ever end  :wtfsonic:



it will end as soon as people in the US realize that liberals/progressives are
worthless and doing nothing but dragging the nation under with bad policy,
especially shit economic policy and decide to exterminate all of them and
canada too, because canada has oil

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Re: Here comes the student loan bailout [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
Patlal said:
Oh mighty Pris. When will this financial crisis ever end  :wtfsonic:



it will end as soon as people in the US realize that liberals/progressives are
worthless and doing nothing but dragging the nation under with bad policy,
especially shit economic policy and decide to exterminate all of them and
canada too, because canada has oil



What the hell is wrong with these evil liberals? And by liberals you mean left wingers right?

What would the right wingers do more?


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