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ChuangTzu said:

Most of the people Assad has had killed over the past year and a half were civilians, not even rebels--much less terrorists.

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In an exclusive interview with RT, Syrian President Bashar Assad said that Syria is not going through a civil war, but rather a different kind of war - terrorism through proxies

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Shins said:

Assad claims he only targeted armed rebels and that the rebels were responsible for civilian deaths.

The videos that have come out seem to prove tht the rebels are the ones killing civilians.

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Rail_Gun said:

There are no Syrian rebels. There are foreign mercenaries and jihadists being paid and supplied by the US and Britain.

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johnm214 said:

Rail_Gun said:

There are no Syrian rebels. There are foreign mercenaries and jihadists being paid and supplied by the US and Britain.

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You say really silly things sometimes.  Can you back this up in any way, shape or form?  If not, please stop dragging this conspiracy rubbish into the political forum where the rules require some contact point with reality.

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Rail_Gun said:

PS

John,

Al Qaeda isn't real either. It is made up and operated by the CIA to this day. This name is nothing but a sick joke, originally a CIA database name of CIA trained jihadi fighters against the Soviet Union. In colloquial Arabic "Ana raicha Al Qaeda" means "I'm gonna go take a shit." A very common and widespread use of the word “Al-Qaeda” in different Arab countries in the public language is for the toilet bowl. This name comes from the Arabic verb “Qa´ada” which mean “to sit”, pertinently, on the “Toilet Bowl”. In most Arabs homes there are two kinds of toilets: “Al-Qaeda” also called the "Hamam Franji" or foreign toilet, and "Hamam Arabi" or “Arab toilet” which is a hole in the ground. Lest we forget it, the potty used by small children is called "Ma Qa´adia" or "Little Qaeda". That's how dumb and blatant US media can be about it because what they tell you and repeat enough becomes the truth. They can take a word like toilet and pretend it's a sophisticated terrorist group and 99% of people believe it as the gospel truth.

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johnm214 said:

Rail_Gun said:

There are no Syrian rebels. There are foreign mercenaries and jihadists being paid and supplied by the US and Britain.

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You say really silly things sometimes.  Can you back this up in any way, shape or form?  If not, please stop dragging this conspiracy rubbish into the political forum where the rules require some contact point with reality.

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It is a conspiracy, yes, and it is true. I made special effort to put in a few mainstream type stories from my Syria folder so you wouldn't call BS on all of my sources too.


NATO vs. Syria By: Philip Giraldi (Ex-CIA Counter Terrorism)
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/nato-vs-syria/


Syria: Reports of violence fabricated

State-run Damascus news agency says security forces recovered digital equipment, bottles of fake blood used by 'criminal group' to falsify photos, videos depicting acts of violence against protestors
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4059951,00.html

Russia: Syria rebels have US-made weapons
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20055271

CNN Caught Faking Syria War Interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3lWB5ssifTg

The radical Islamists fighting in Syria are from the UK, not Syria
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/06/13138884-londoner-against-londoner-uk-fighters-held-journalist-captive-in-syria

BBC Uses a 2003 Picture from Iraq to Incite War Against Syria
http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/bbc-uses-a-2003-picture-from-iraq-to-incite-war-against-syria/

Assad: There is no civil war in Syria. Syria's president insists there is no civil war in his country - rather, a new kind of battle he calls "terrorism through proxies."
http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2012/11/08/2759924/progress-in-talks-on-united-syria.html

Exclusive: ‘We believe that the USA is the major player against Syria and the rest are its instruments’
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/exclusive-we-believe-that-the-usa-is-the-major-player-against-syria-and-the-rest-are-its-instruments-8082457.html

US & Allies to give $100 Million to Syrian Rebels.... War with Syria begins today.
http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/U-S-supports-Syrian-rebels-3451662.php

The US Government Sent Blackwater To Fight With Rebels In Libya And Syria
http://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-stratfor-emails-us-government-sent-blackwater-veteran-to-fight-with-rebels-in-libya-and-syria-2012-3

Rep. Kucinich: "(Syria) is rife with potential for a "false flag" operation."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-dennis-kucinich/tilling-the-ground-for-th_b_1821303.html?utm_hp_ref=yahoo&ir=Yahoo

More US war propaganda: Securing Syria chemical weapons may take tens of thousands of troops
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/17/us-syria-crisis-chemicalweapons-idUSBRE87G02420120817

Leaked Jazeera video..showing how they fabricate news about Syria.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DqfW7LUhA_t4&v=qfW7LUhA_t4&gl=GB

CNN Linked with Terrorist Attacks in Syria

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johnm214 said:

Your support for tyrannical despots never wanes, does it?

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Shins said:

can you prove that?

Assad claims he only targeted armed rebels and that the rebels were responsible for civilian deaths.

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The videos that have come out seem to prove tht the rebels are the ones killing civilians.

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Assad doesn't really come across as some kind of bloodthirsty dictator...

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Shins said:

johnm214 said:

Your support for tyrannical despots never wanes, does it?

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You're the one who voted for Romney.

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Have you just enveloped yourself in some alternate dimension?  If your going to create your own reality, leave me out of it.  Go back to having tea with Assad and supporting murderous thugs while they butcher their own people.

ChuangTzu said:

Shins said:

can you prove that?

Assad claims he only targeted armed rebels and that the rebels were responsible for civilian deaths.

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Of course he would claim that.  But he was killing civilians before there were any armed rebels.

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But, but, but....

Russia Today tells me he frolicks with bunny rabbits in his magical kingdom of peace and love!

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Whatever videos you're talking about only, perhaps, prove that some rebels killed some civilians.  They don't speak for any other of the 10s of thousands of killings that have occurred in the past year and a half.  The ratio of killings on video to total killings is minuscule.  The only real evidence is testimony of other Syrian civilians, international observers, and neighboring governments.

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Wait, you mean you doubt Assad's thugs release video of their butchering?  Are you suggesting they might not let the populace film them killing people while the bands of rebels might not have the same PR and security apparatuses? 

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Assad doesn't really come across as some kind of bloodthirsty dictator...

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Congratulations, you're a victim of slick marketing.  Assad has a great, NY-based, PR team.

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You should read some of the crap Assad tries and sometimes succedes in getting in the media about him and his dynastic fiefdom.  Its absurd.

EntheogenicPeace said:

I don't think it should be that hard for people to acknowledge that there are and have been murderous thugs both supported by and opposed by the u.s., and that some of the latter used to be showered with arms and other subsidies when they were in "our side."

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ChuangTzu said:

Shins said:

can you prove that?

Assad claims he only targeted armed rebels and that the rebels were responsible for civilian deaths.

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Of course he would claim that.  But he was killing civilians before there were any armed rebels. 

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EntheogenicPeace said:

No, i'm mostly agreeing with you (and certainly not agreeing with those who would absolve Assad of the murder that he has sanctioned). That being said, looking back at Libya the regime of Qaddafi (corrupt, repressive, and when faced with revolt, murderous) was villified beyond what actually happened. Western media were eager to publicize falsehoods such as Viagra-fueled rape, randomly shooting at civilians from the air, and legions of black mercenaries. That latter in particular, combined with existing racism, led to massacres and ethnic cleansing against blacks most of whom were either migrant workers or permanent residents, but not pro-Qaddafi fighters.

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When images emerge of civilians deliberately massacred (not simply killed by relatively random firing) i don't think anyone should rush to judgment on who are the perpetrators and act based on that, bc al-Qaeda oriented groups are inside Syria. I admit, though, i have not looked deep enough as to whether or not the guilty parties in such killings have been identified beyond reasonable doubt. If the evidence says it was the side of the Assad regime, it wouldn't surprise me, but nor would it be surprisingly if it was Islamic extremists. There probably have been some of both.

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