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Libertarian Factor to Romney's defeat...
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Romney stated campaign funds were the reason he lost the election. Yeah, right.

From: http://www.examiner.com/article/the-ron-paul-factor-the-gop-s-defeat

"A full three days after the GOP took a shellacking in the general election, as many as 19 reasons have been put for the by both parties, pundits and the corporate media as they grope for explanations. The woman’s vote, the Hispanic vote, media bias, a poor campaign message, Tea Party extremism, Romney too moderate, hurricane Sandy, New Jersey governor Christie, even voter suppression – the list goes on and on.

While all of these factors did come into play, the truth may be that the single most significant factor is what the Republican establishment did to one of its own candidates, Dr. Ron Paul, and his many ardent supporters. By disenfranchising Ron Paul supporters, Romney won the primary, but because of that he may have lost the election. For that the GOP has no one to blame but itself and very few in either party or the media seem to want to mention the Ron Paul factor.

In the Republican primary, Ron Paul’s delegates and supporters were systematically shut out of the process, yet Karl Rove has the nerve to say on Fox news that President Obama won by “suppressing the vote.” Take a closer look at your own party, Karl.
See the reaction from Ron Paul delegates from Romney's home state of MA that were banned from the RNC.
Video: Ron Paul delegates from his home state, MA, banned from GOP convention.

Ron Paul brought the youngest delegation in the history of the Republican Party to the convention (RNC) in Tampa in August. They were not political hacks, millionaires, CEOs or attorneys – they were ordinary young adults from all walks of life who thought they could make a difference. They were welcomed by GOP hacks by having their signs confiscated and torn up before their eyes.

The Maine delegation, apparently having too many Ron Paul supporters, was unseated and then walked off the floor at the RNC, chanting, “As goes Maine, so goes the nation.” It is befitting that Maine’s electoral votes went for President Obama.

Ron Paul delegates even sustained injuries as they were arrested in Louisiana after it became clear to GOP leaders that they were in the majority at the state convention. After Ron Paul supporters booed Romney’s son Josh at the state convention in Arizona, the air conditioning and lights were turned off by GOP operatives in order to prevent Ron Paul delegates from being elected to a party position. Romney campaign officials were caught distributing fake delegate slates in Maine and Nevada. In Missouri, police were called to shut down the St. Charles caucus when a Ron Paul victory appeared imminent.

While young people are encouraged to follow their dreams and ambitions, to get involved and make a difference in many aspects of their lives, that is apparently not allowed in Republican Party politics. And the pundits wonder why President Obama secured a majority among voters under 30.

Here is another reason why the GOP lost badly. It is called simple math. The following statistics were put together by Hamdan Azhar, writing for policymic.com. It reveals that, “in no less than five states, Romney’s margin of loss to President Obama in the general election was less than the number of votes received by Ron Paul in that state’s primary.”

Connecticut
Obama votes: 128,251
Romney votes: 120,637
Romney loss margin: 7,614
Paul primary votes: 8,032
Electoral votes: 7

Florida
Obama votes: 4,141,618
Romney votes: 4,094,952
Romney loss margin: 46,666
Paul primary votes: 117,461
Electoral votes: 29

New Hampshire
Obama votes: 366,089
Romney votes: 325,668
Romney loss margin: 40,421
Paul primary votes: 56,872
Electoral votes: 4

Ohio
Obama votes: 2,691,861
Romney votes: 2,584,620
Romney loss margin: 107,241
Paul primary votes: 113,256
Electoral votes: 18

Virginia
Obama votes: 1,868,191
Romney votes: 1,767,692
Romney loss margin: 100,499
Paul primary votes: 107,451
Electoral votes: 13

These five states alone account for 71 electoral votes and if you were to take 71 away from Obama and give them to Romney that is the difference right there. Of course, it not safe to assume that everyone who voted for Paul in the primary would have turned out and voted GOP. Nor it is safe to assume that Ron Paul could have won a general election against President Obama or that the Libertarian ideology would sell to the majority of Americans.

Yet several “Ron Paul Republicans” won close House races, including Thomas Massie in Kentucky, and Justin Amash and Kerry Bentivolio in Michigan. But Republican “Tea Party” candidates lost across the board – again.

But that is not the point. The point is that neither party should suppress voters, intimidate delegates and force Americans to vote for establishment candidates picked by party bosses, billionaires and the corporate media. That strategy usually leads to the incumbent party winning, like in 2004, but also leads to lack of new ideas and the potential for real change. The American people should be allowed to make their own choices.

It is safe to assume that many Ron Paul supporters would have turned out and voted had they not been suppressed and alienated by their own party leaders. Hopefully all parties involved, not only political parties, learned something from what the GOP did to Ron Paul and his supporters.

While all exit polling, post-election assumptions and even the statistics are an inexact science, one thing is clear. The GOP not only turned off large amounts of women and minority voters, but a lot of young people within their own party.

Here is what one Ron Paul supporter was quoted saying on a Libertarian blog: "I want to make sure that when the Republican Party loses, terribly…I want [them to know] it's because they systematically shut out the most intelligent, most youthful and active voting bloc in American history."

Perhaps GOP leaders should take a closer look at disenfranchising their own voters instead of blaming Mother Nature, the changing demographics in America or candidates that are not conservative enough. Very few Americans seem to care for disenfranchisement, voter suppression and intimidation.

Republicans now have fours years to think about that while they argue among themselves and while President Obama continues to try to fix the mess that their last “winner” left for America."

Sources:

The Brad Blog

Huffington Post - Karl Rove: Obama Won 'By Suppressing the Vote'

Huffington Post - Ron Paul Convention Delegates Accuse Security Of Suppressing Their Signs

Masslive.com

Raw Story - Louisiana GOP spirals into chaos as Ron Paul delegates injured, arrested

RT - Ron Paul is not OUT! He is UP!

Infowars.com - Romney Operatives Caught Handing Out Fake Ballots In Nevada AND Maine

USA Today - Contention, confusion mar Missouri caucuses

Policymic.com - The Ron Paul Effect: How the GOP Threw the Election By Disenfranchising Ron Paul Supporters

The Daily Caller - Several ‘Ron Paul Republicans’ win closely contested House races

Reason.com - RNC Shuns Ron Paul, Supporters Root For Romney Defeat


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Re: Libertarian Factor to Romney's defeat... [Re: 46 and 2] * 2
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Re: Libertarian Factor to Romney's defeat... [Re: EntheogenicPeace] * 1
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EntheogenicPeace said:
http://reason.com/archives/2012/11/09/why-mitt-romney-lost-and-the-gop-will-co

As long as the GOP (especially in the primaries) panders to the Todd Akin wing of the party, they've got a dismal future. I voted for GJ, but even if his # of votes were greater than the margin of Obama over Romney it wouldn't have mattered bc myself & countless others never would've voted for Romney (or Obama). The GOP could become relevant again if they adopt libertarianism (as opposed to corporatism, militarism & anti-science social conservatism), but if not then they will go the way of the Whigs & the Bull Moose Party.


Exactly, I refuse to buy into the two party system and vote for "the lesser of two evils." That isn't my style. I want to vote for my beliefs instead of against the other guy's beliefs. I voted for Gary Johnson and I'm proud of my vote. I hope to god the libertarian vote swung the election from Romney to Obama. Maybe that will get the GOP to start adopting libertarian views instead of pandering to the social conservative idiots. Better yet, maybe my vote will help the libertarian and other third parties gather support in coming years.


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Re: Libertarian Factor to Romney's defeat... [Re: SlashOZ]
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A vote for your conscience is never a wasted vote. I always vote that way and I sleep well at night.

Vote the way you feel and let the chips fall where they may.

If nothing else, I hope this election proves to the GOP that Karl Rove is an incredible douche.

He's a smug fattie who is a loser in life but his wizardry has failed him now in multiple elections. Just let him sink down to his natural level, the fat kid from Lord of the Flies.


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Re: Libertarian Factor to Romney's defeat... [Re: SlashOZ] * 1
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I hope to god the libertarian vote swung the election from Romney to Obama.


Yes, because Obama has so much more respect for Libertarian policies than Romney does.

I swear, Paulbots are some of the most shallow-thinking people on the planet.


Phred


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Re: Libertarian Factor to Romney's defeat... [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
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EntheogenicPeace said:
http://reason.com/archives/2012/11/09/why-mitt-romney-lost-and-the-gop-will-co

As long as the GOP (especially in the primaries) panders to the Todd Akin wing of the party, they've got a dismal future. I voted for GJ, but even if his # of votes were greater than the margin of Obama over Romney it wouldn't have mattered bc myself & countless others never would've voted for Romney (or Obama). The GOP could become relevant again if they adopt libertarianism (as opposed to corporatism, militarism & anti-science social conservatism), but if not then they will go the way of the Whigs & the Bull Moose Party.


:asianofapproval:


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Re: Libertarian Factor to Romney's defeat... [Re: Phred] * 2
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Phred said:
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I hope to god the libertarian vote swung the election from Romney to Obama.


Yes, because Obama has so much more respect for Libertarian policies than Romney does.

I swear, Paulbots are some of the most shallow-thinking people on the planet.


Phred


Take a close look at Romney do you really belive that he would bring libertarian polices to the american people. In his own speeches he said that he would increase military spending! That alone raised red flags for me. His stance on drugs is draconian and I think he would have potentially started a war with iran. The US needs to be more diplomatic with foreign nations as well as focus more on domestic issues infrastructure and education are our future.


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Re: Libertarian Factor to Romney's defeat... [Re: Gilgamesh18] * 1
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Take a close look at Romney do you really belive that he would bring libertarian polices to the american people.


Every single one? Of course not! More than Obama? Of course! Not even close.

The thing is, with Obama it's not a question of him not advancing Libertarian principles past the point they stand in today's government (which is the worst possible outcome one can try to pin on Romney - status quo), it's that he will continue to actively undermine Libertarian principles. He did exactly that in his first term and there is absolutely no indication he will stop. Rather, now that he doesn't have to worry about re-election, he can double down on further violations with impunity.

Not only that, but at least two and quite possibly three Supreme Court justices will be retiring (or dying) before the end of his term. Looking at Sotomayor and Kagan, can you honestly tell me his next picks will be any less hostile to Libertarian principles than those two Lefty Loons?

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In his own speeches he said that he would increase military spending!


Since it has already been drastically cut and is about to be disastrously cut (through the sequestration process), good for Romney! That is one of the very few areas the federal government should actually be involved in. 

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His stance on drugs is draconian...


This kind of uninformed bleating never ceases to amaze me. Are you guys not aware that in the 46 months since his inauguration, Obama's DOJ has raided (usually with para-military SWAT style teams, often killing owners' pets in the process) four times as many perfectly legal (by state law) MMJ dispensaries than Bush's DOJ did in 96 months? What evidence do you have that Obama will stop this aggressive treatment of MMJ outlets?

Please provide a link to a credible source outlining Romney's "draconian" stance on drugs.

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The US needs to be more diplomatic with foreign nations...


Like Obama was with Libya? Or by following Obama's strategy of snubbing and outright betraying longstanding US allies while sucking up to and grovelling before long time US foes?

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Like  as well as focus more on domestic issues...


Which domestic issue beats out the economy?

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...infrastructure...


Point to a single infrastructure improvement Obama's infamous Porkulus produced.

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...and education...


You slag Romney for not following enough Libertarian principles to make you happy but you aren't aware that Libertarian policy has always been for the feds to stay out of education? Libertarians say that education must be handled at the local (and - in the case of universities) at the state level.


Phred


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Re: Libertarian Factor to Romney's defeat... [Re: Phred] * 1
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Don't get me wrong Phred I am no Obama supporter and am well aware of his polices on drugs and his interventionist nature in other nations. I voted for Johnson on the principle that it would hopefully help wake the Republicans up to the reality that there party needs to return to its roots of limited government and stop catering to the christian right with there moronic stances on social issues. I will continue to vote for canadites that will advance my interests regardless of the odds of them being elected.


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Re: Libertarian Factor to Romney's defeat... [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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I voted for Johnson on the principle that it would hopefully help wake the Republicans up to the reality that there party needs to return to its roots of limited government...


But that is not what happens. It never has been what happened and it never will be what happens, due to the nature of the US political system. That strategy might have a chance of working in a European-type or Canadian-type parliamentary system, or perhaps in a first-past-the-post multi-vote type election process. But that's not what you have in the US, and you will not (can not, in fact) have it short of at least one major Constitutional amendment.

The only way to make the Republican Party lean more Libertarian is to follow the Tea Party approach, which means registering as a Republican and participating in Republican primaries and championing Libertarian-leaning candidates, then voting for the Republican candidate you went to all the trouble of nominating, not voting Libertarian at the last minute.

The groundwork must be done before the general election, at the primary level. If you vote Libertarian in the general, you are just negating all the effort expended in getting Libertarian-leaning candidates into a position where they can actually get elected.

Here's something you probably never thought of: why did not just Ron Paul, but his son Rand Paul, too, run as Republicans rather than Libertarians? Are they not the most Libertarian-leaning elected federal legislators?  Why, yes... yes, they are. They are in a position to actually do something that will advance Libertarian principles, while the Libertarian Party candidates who ran against them in the general election are not.

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...and stop catering to the christian right with there moronic stances on social issues.


As a stone cold atheist (for close to five decades now) I see no evidence of Romney (or even the Republican Party as a whole) "catering" to the Christian Right on social issues. This is something that has baffled the hell out of me for a very long time now, this manufactured obsession so many people (young people in particular) have with what a candidate's personal beliefs might be. What matters is what that candidate will do. How he will act. Who the hell cares if a president personally opposes gay marriage? He can do nothing whatsoever about it: if the voters of a state say they accept it, then it becomes the law of that state. Who the hell cares if a president personally abhors the thought of abortion? He can't reverse Roe v Wade. Why would he even try? He has literally dozens of vastly more important issues he must deal with, now.

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I will continue to vote for canadites...


The time to do that is in the primaries, particularly the Republican primaries. Actually, even earlier than that: you need to get involved at the very lowest grassroots level of the Republican machine, when candidates are first being chosen to even run in the primaries. Why do I specify Republican primaries rather than Democrat? Because there is no hope in hell of a Libertarian-leaning candidate getting even that far in the Democratic Party, while with the Republican Party they can end up as senators. See Rand Paul.

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...that will advance my interests regardless of the odds of them being elected.


Sigh.  :facepalm3:

Why can you not grasp the incredibly obvious fact (and yes, it is a fact) that they cannot advance your interests if they don't get elected?

Jesus wept!


Phred


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Re: Libertarian Factor to Romney's defeat... [Re: Phred]
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Phred said:
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I voted for Johnson on the principle that it would hopefully help wake the Republicans up to the reality that there party needs to return to its roots of limited government...


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But that is not what happens. It never has been what happened and it never will be what happens, due to the nature of the US political system. That strategy might have a chance of working in a European-type or Canadian-type parliamentary system, or perhaps in a first-past-the-post multi-vote type election process. But that's not what you have in the US, and you will not (can not, in fact) have it short of at least one major Constitutional amendment.
The only way to make the Republican Party lean more Libertarian is to follow the Tea Party approach, which means registering as a Republican and participating in Republican primaries and championing Libertarian-leaning candidates, then voting for the Republican candidate you went to all the trouble of nominating, not voting Libertarian at the last minute.

The groundwork must be done before the general election, at the primary level. If you vote Libertarian in the general, you are just negating all the effort expended in getting Libertarian-leaning candidates into a position where they can actually get elected.





That's exactly what was done during the bid for the Republican nomination. Ron Paul supporters were winning majority delegation slots in various states. Haven't you been paying attention to the news? Ron Paul won the majority of delegates in over 5 states, one of which, had their delegates completely replaced by the RNC, and ultimately the rules at the RNC suddenly and "magically" changed to where the candidate needed delegate majority in 8 or more states, robbing Ron Paul of his 15 minute debate time on the convention floor at the last minute.

Ron Paul and Rand Paul run as Republicans to spread the message of liberty to more people they can reach if they went third party. Regardless of which, the RNC is and always will be a bunch of corrupt fat men who will "select" the "puppet" they desire. Don't give us that "play by the rules" and "fairness" bid as if you believe it to be true because we weren't born yesterday. That's why RP supporters threw their votes away for GJ. They sure as hell weren't going to waste it on Romney.

Listen to Jesse Ventura, Screw the Demicans and Rebublicrats.


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Re: Libertarian Factor to Romney's defeat... [Re: 46 and 2]
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That's exactly what was done during the bid for the Republican nomination. Ron Paul supporters were winning majority delegation slots in various states. Haven't you been paying attention to the news? Ron Paul won the majority of delegates in over 5 states, one of which, had their delegates completely replaced by the RNC, and ultimately the rules at the RNC suddenly and "magically" changed to where the candidate needed delegate majority in 8 or more states, robbing Ron Paul of his 15 minute debate time on the convention floor at the last minute.


Sigh. So the Paulbots decide, like a gaggle of prepubescent girls tossing a group hissyfit, to cut off their nose to spite their face, and deliberately pursue a strategy which virtually ensured that the candidate the farthest from Ron Paul's stated principles in the memory of anyone alive today would get re-elected.

Look, regardless of whether Paul got to speak at the convention or not, he was not going to be the Republican candidate. Hell, even he knew that, and he knew it from the beginning. He admitted it on many occasions, publicly and privately. Should he - as a courtesy - have been allowed to speak? Perhaps. There's a lot of things the Republicans could have done better at that convention. Does the fact that he wasn't given fifteen minutes to speak justify assisting in the re-election of the most anti-Libertarian politician to ever hold the White House? Fuck no!

This is what I mean when I say that Paulbots are some of the most shallow-thinking people on the planet. They are even more a personality cult than Obamabots, in many ways. "Ron Paul, Ron Paul, Ron Paul!" They never actually think about what it is Paul represents. If they did, they would do everything they possibly could to help defeat the man most inimical to everything Paul represents. But they don't.

Instead, they act like a little kid throwing a temper tantrum in the breakfast foods aisle of the grocery store because Mom tossed into the shopping cart a box of Honey Drenched Krunchies instead of a box of Honey Drenched Krunchies  with Extra Sprinkles.

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Ron Paul and Rand Paul run as Republicans to spread the message of liberty to more people they can reach if they went third party.


Which makes them an order of magnitude smarter than the people who swear they believe that message while simultaneously ensuring the re-election of the candidate who has shown he won't hesitate to eradicate as much of that liberty as he possibly can. Look, you maybe... just maybe... had the excuse back in 2008 that Obama wasn't really going to be as bad as we warned you he would be. You sure as shit don't have that excuse anymore. He turned out to be actually worse than we warned.

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Regardless of which, the RNC is and always will be a bunch of corrupt fat men who will "select" the "puppet" they desire.


This is just horseshit. Pure, unadulterated horseshit. Romney won the nomination by getting the most votes in the primaries, pure and simple. Now, I personally think it's madness that the Republicans allow anyone other than registered Republicans to vote in some of their primaries: undoubtedly there were more than a few Obama fans who cast votes in those primary for Romney in the hopes they wouldn't have to face a stronger candidate. But that doesn't change the fact that Romney got the position fair and square. Ron Paul was no more electable in the primaries than was Herman Cain.

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why RP supporters threw their votes away for GJ.


Yep. Little kids throwing a tantrum. Now they have to live with the consequences. But hey... at least you admit that this is exactly what you did: threw your votes away. You didn't teach anyone a lesson, instead you literally wasted the opportunity to act that comes just once every four years. And as a result the anti-Ron Paul is set to run roughshod over every single principle Ron Paul stands for.

May your chains rest lightly on you.


Phred


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Re: Libertarian Factor to Romney's defeat... [Re: Phred]
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And zomnies like yourself have no mind of your own. It's never been a matter of the name that received the nomination, it's a matter of the issues. America knows that RP would have whooped Obama's ass in an election. America also knew that it was "neck and neck" between Obama and Romney, yet it's sensible to put your weakest candidate over your potentially strongest? It is you that are shallow, lack logic, and a tactful strategy, and you think the rest of us should fall in line and back your gimp champion? I think we're more sensible than you give us credit for.

You say I know none of the issues Ron Paul championed; Okay, I can name the abolition of centralized banking, states rights, lesser gun legislation, and a sensible foreign policy right off the bat. You're sad in thinking we are shallow, whereas we are much more deep, passionate, and love freedom more than you do.


Call me a paulbot, call me a paultard, say whatever you want. Because at the end of the day all I'll say is "Fuck you, I'll do whatever I want," in true American patriotic spirit.

KMA.


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Re: Libertarian Factor to Romney's defeat... [Re: 46 and 2]
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They only way you'll get to do that is to opt out.  The IRS is the most brutal agency in the country and you just helped re-electe the biggest IRS enabler in history.  Way to go, Forrest.


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Re: Libertarian Factor to Romney's defeat... [Re: zappaisgod]
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Why was Romney defeated?
1. "corporations are people too" In a world where the avg. american witnessed their net value decrease by 25% while corporate profits soared, as well as constituents being sick of corporate interests superseding theirs through special interest groups this really lost him alot of votes

2. "I would let GM go bankrupt" He needed the votes from the rust belt, he left many no choice but to vote for Obama.

3. The whole 47% welfare scum statement.

4. He's not a negro, therefore by default the totality of the minority vote goes to Obama.

5. Wanting to enforce existing laws concerning illegal immigration didn't help. Unless every parasitical illegal mexican fugitive is given amnesty, or a "path to immigration" (ignoring the fact there already is a path to legal citizenship) the rest of the racist mexicans  voted for Obama.

5. Last but not least Romney may have all the requisite skills, experience, and knowledge to outperform Obama but he lacked probably the most important trait of all and that is one of likability. Obama is just far more charismatic than is Romney. The fact that much like Clinton, Obama too is a lying douche, but people will still vote for them due to the fact they like to be charmed while they are ass raped.
Romney had all the charismatic attributes of Cheney which ultimately seems to be all that matters.

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Re: Libertarian Factor to Romney's defeat... [Re: Therian]
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Who the fuck finds Obama likable?

Somebody really should have explained that corporate personhood is BAD for corporations.:facepalm:

Somebody else should have explained that airlines (see Delta) have gone bankrupt repeatedly and yet they are still here.:facepalm:

It wasn't a "welfare scum" remark by Romney.  I believe they are welfare scum but that isn't what he said.  He said the Republicans shouldn't worry about getting their vote because they never will.  He was right.


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Re: Libertarian Factor to Romney's defeat... [Re: Phred]
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Phred said:
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I hope to god the libertarian vote swung the election from Romney to Obama.


Yes, because Obama has so much more respect for Libertarian policies than Romney does.

I swear, Paulbots are some of the most shallow-thinking people on the planet.


Phred




When the major parties start loosing elections because of third party votes, that's when they start to concern themselves with third party platforms.  This is also when election counting reform, such as instant runoff voting, will be instituted.

There's no point fighting for the people like you who'd vote for a republican every time if you could- there is a point in fighting for people who can be swayed, and amongst those are people who do or would vote third party.

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Re: Libertarian Factor to Romney's defeat... [Re: johnm214]
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The general election is a runoff vote.  L. Ron and GJ had their shots and lost.  They couldn't even win their in house nomination.


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With the shady way things are ran in the GOP, it's no wonder. Still though, their stupid decision to put "Mitty Cent" instead of a winnable candidate is entirely their flaw.11
zappaisgod said:
They only way you'll get to do that is to opt out.  The IRS is the most brutal agency in the country and you just helped re-electe the biggest IRS enabler in history.  Way to go, Forrest.


What part of GJ or RP's 0% income tax did you not get, the 0, or the %? My thoughts exactly... Romney couldn't even offer a better tax percentage for voters, nor did he. Nice try.


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zappaisgod said:
The general election is a runoff vote.  L. Ron and GJ had their shots and lost.  They couldn't even win their in house nomination.


?  I don't know what you're talking about.  Johnson did win the nomination and ran in the general- Paul didn't win the nomination and didn't run in the general.  I presume you're referring to Johnson's campaigns as a republican, but that doesn't support your contention.

As for the general election being a runoff vote, that's not true at all.  In my state you don't even need a primary- the party can just nominate whomever they wish.  The primary is just a taxpayer funded party function- dumb.  It should either be abolished or made mandatory that the party submit to the election process.

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