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InvisibleXlea321
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Re: Inflated definitions [Re: SafeHaven]
    #1664095 - 06/26/03 09:34 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Well guess what, we are awake

No you're not. You're just coming to after a terrible accident and all you can remember is a guy called Bush was driving.

we didnt start this Osama did

Come on man, it's not the schoolyard now. If Osama started it why not catch the fucker instead of blowing shit out of two countries and killing thousands of innocent people? What good is that going to do your cause?

your Queen and all her glory would be a pile of ash in the Thames, all because some people didnt want to have to wage war

"Waging war" doesn't work with terrorism. It just makes it worse. Ask the Israelis.



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OfflineSafeHaven

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Re: Inflated definitions [Re: Xlea321]
    #1664502 - 06/26/03 12:42 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

"Waging war" doesn't work with terrorism. It just makes it worse. Ask the Israelis.

Thats a little different, Isreal is occupying a country and making it so the other countries people stay in REFUGEE camps, wtf.. how long they been like that? to long.. I say..

And it does work and only option you have when terrorism is ran or manipulated by a country and its countries vast resources..



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OfflineAzmodeus
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Re: Inflated definitions [Re: SafeHaven]
    #1664519 - 06/26/03 12:50 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

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now look 5000 people died because we didnt want to intrude.( which might I add is why we entered WW 2 so late, and If we didnt you wouldnt have a Queen and you would be drinking lots of German beer)





Oh, god bless america.  Yeah its easy to join in the last year of a four year war with all your supplies and fresh troops..., please tell me you don't believe america saved the world from hitler... :shake:


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OfflineSafeHaven

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Re: Inflated definitions [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1664660 - 06/26/03 01:53 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

please tell me you don't believe america saved the world from hitler...

Well hmm let me see, could we have done it without any other country , possibly, but certainly none of the other countries could have without the USA.

France already fell, England was on its last few breaths, Russia, was holding its own at a great cost. What major country was left fighting on the Allies side?



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OfflineAzmodeus
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Re: Inflated definitions [Re: SafeHaven]
    #1664859 - 06/26/03 03:11 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

If amercia helped out of when they sould of...the beginning, how long and drawn out would the war have been then?

America sat on its thumb while the rest of the world battled a great evil, and only when it was absolutely imperative and crutial to thier interests (pearl harbour) devoted a few resources and unleashed the most devastating WMD in history, which kinda stopped both sides because they realised the terrible potential such WMD could have on everybody.

As a result america had a head start economicaly after the war and they have certaily used thier ill-gotten advantage and the WMD to ensure thier own power and gain....not that i blame them, it was really quite tactically brilliant.


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InvisibleXlea321
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Re: Inflated definitions [Re: SafeHaven]
    #1665074 - 06/26/03 04:23 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Russia, was holding its own at a great cost.

Holding it's own? By 1944 they had the germans on the retreat at such a rate that the allies finally felt compelled to invade France before Russia overwhelmed all of Europe.


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Re: Inflated definitions [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1665659 - 06/26/03 08:27 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Azmodeus said:
Oh, god bless america.  Yeah its easy to join in the last year of a four year war with all your supplies and fresh troops..., please tell me you don't believe america saved the world from hitler... :shake: 




This is the single dumbest statement I have read today. I am not saying you are dumb just that this statement is. WW2 lasted a lot longer than 4 years. The US was involved in it from 1941-1945. The English, Russians, and the Americans saved the world from Hitler. We decided for some reason to include the French in the victory afterwards. Before you try to discount someones statements, please at least be in the ballpark of reality with yours. We did not have all these fresh troops and supplies that you speak of. That is one reason we were trying not to get involved. We had to put our women to work building war materials, while our men went to war. We had to recycle our pennies, and old shoes, and tires to build materials for the war. Your statement pissed me off a bit, so sorry if this reply seems a bit irritable. My grandfather died trying to defeat Hitler, while my other grandfather got injured trying to defeat the Japanese in the South Pacific, and your statement makes it seem like we were there on a picnic or something. 


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Re: Inflated definitions [Re: Xlea321]
    #1666308 - 06/27/03 12:58 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Duh no shit had hitler waited till the spring and the Russians would have been toast. That my friend is a fact. The Germans werent dying from Russian bullets or artillery they were dying from it was the -60 degree wind and snow. Alex as you should know by now ever historian in the world has already said that Russia would have fallen to Germany if they had attacked 6 months earlier or 6 months later. Mother nature was letting the Russians hold their own.


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OfflineSafeHaven

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Re: Inflated definitions [Re: Meat_Log_Smurf]
    #1666957 - 06/27/03 09:36 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

You are correct man, I couldnt have said it any better that goes for you to shakta.

What helped the Russians also was the fact that Germany had to allocate there resources to there front lines in France and pull from Russian lines or in essence spread themselves thin.


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InvisibleXlea321
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Re: Inflated definitions [Re: Meat_Log_Smurf]
    #1667007 - 06/27/03 09:55 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Nah, I don't think the germans would have won if they'd attacked 6 months earlier or later. Napoleon failed too remember. It was too big a job, supply lines would have been stretched way too thin and the russians were supremely determind and fighting for their homeland. Big difference in morale to the germans cold and hungry hundreds of miles from their homes.

Hitler knew he'd lost in Russia by the winter of 1941, which is why he escalated the jewish extermination by calling the wannasee conference in jan '42. At least that was one war he could win.


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Re: Inflated definitions [Re: Xlea321]
    #1668985 - 06/28/03 07:54 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

I guess we will just take your opinion over the historians. The Germans supply lineswould have been fine. The winter caused the deaths of most of them, and the Russians.


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