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Libertarian Party on WMD hearings...
    #1648216 - 06/20/03 03:06 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Pull the plug on Congressional inquiry
into Iraq's weapons, Libertarian Party says

WASHINGTON, DC -- Congressional hearings into the Bush administration's
claims about Iraq's weapons program are a waste of time, Libertarians
say, because the public already knows that presidents routinely lie or
exaggerate to justify waging war.

"Surprise! It appears that another U.S. leader has manipulated facts
and exaggerated threats in order to whip up war hysteria," said Joe
Seehusen, executive director of the Libertarian Party, which staunchly
opposed the invasion of Iraq. "Do we really need a congressional
hearing to discover that politicians are adept at using words as
weapons of mass deception?"

Prompted by the continuing failure to find chemical or biological
weapons since Baghdad fell on April 9, the Senate Select Committee on
Intelligence is holding hearings into the accuracy of the Bush
administration's prewar claims about Iraq's weapons of mass
destruction. Over the past several weeks Bush has been stung by
allegations from intelligence officials and others that he misused
intelligence data to justify the war.

But congressional hearings are utterly pointless, Libertarians say,
because they will only tell Americans what they already know.

"History is replete with examples of U.S. leaders lying our country
into war, so why should we expect this war to be any different?" he
asked.

A few specific cases:

* In 1898, the U.S.S. Maine blew up off the coast of Cuba, killing
over 250 U.S. sailors. Although most historians believe it was an
accident, Congress used "Remember the Maine" as a rallying cry to
declare war on Spain.

* In 1964, two U.S. destroyers in the Gulf of Tonkin reported being
fired upon by the North Vietnamese -- an attack that in reality never
happened. Yet President Lyndon Johnson used the incident to win support
for a Congressional resolution authorizing military force in Vietnam.

* In 1990, President George Bush Sr. perpetrated the infamous "babies-
being-pulled-from-incubators hoax," which claimed that Iraqi troops had
invaded a hospital in Kuwait City, ripped babies from incubators and
shipped the incubators off to Baghdad. After the war it was determined
that the story had been fabricated by a Washington public relations
firm that had been paid $10.7 million by the government of Kuwait.

With such a track record of presidential deceit, it's disingenuous for
Congress to pretend to be shocked by another misuse of intelligence
data, Seehusen said.

"Perhaps Congress is hoping that these hearings will shield them from
responsibility for a war that didn't have to be fought," he noted.
"Keep in mind that last October, 296 Representatives and 77 Senators
voted in favor of a resolution supporting the invasion of Iraq. So
every one of these individuals is just as responsible as Bush for the
consequences of that decision -- and convening a hearing won't change
that."

Seehusen acknowledged that it may be too early to say definitively that
Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction.

"But if such evidence does turn up, two serious questions remain,"
Seehusen said.

"One, did the weapons exist in a sufficient amount to pose an actual
threat to the United States? The fact that Saddam declined to use WMD
even when the destruction of his regime became imminent is a strong
indication that they did not.

"Two, even if Saddam did have such weapons, would he have used them to
attack the United States if a U.S. strike against Iraq were not
planned?

"At the very least, Bush's claims about Iraq seem to have been
exaggerated, and at worst, completely untrue.

"The way to avoid unnecessary wars in the future is to demand the truth
before the war -- rather than holding congressional hearings after the
war."


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Re: Libertarian Party on WMD hearings... [Re: ]
    #1648557 - 06/20/03 04:33 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Let's let them get away with it since other presidents have lied.




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Re: Libertarian Party on WMD hearings... [Re: Learyfan]
    #1648635 - 06/20/03 04:55 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

That's bullshit, MM.

This is the most corrupt administration, more or less ever. If we don't make them accountable, what's to stop the next administration pulling worse tricks?

How many of the casual public know about *any* of those cited examples? I bet the average man on the street would regard those as "conspiracy theories".



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Re: Libertarian Party on WMD hearings... [Re: Learyfan]
    #1648652 - 06/20/03 05:02 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

hey, i'm not saying i'm with them on this one. i think a hearing is in order.


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Re: Libertarian Party on WMD hearings... [Re: somebodyelse]
    #1648728 - 06/20/03 05:28 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

somebodyelse writes:

This is the most corrupt administration, more or less ever.

Incorrect. Ever heard of Clinton? Nixon?

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Re: Libertarian Party on WMD hearings... [Re: Phred]
    #1648923 - 06/20/03 06:20 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Those were bad - this in my eyes is worse. But since "corruption" is hard to tabulate, wouldn't you at least agree that this administration is "pretty fucking corrupt"?



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Re: Libertarian Party on WMD hearings... [Re: ]
    #1648938 - 06/20/03 06:24 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

It's time to end this. What do you really want for the country? For them to get away with this and allow it to happen again in the future, saying to everyone: "you can get away with this kind of mass deception." Or do you want them to set a precedent and stop this treacherous behavior? The article makes a good point, this kind of thing has always happened, but that doesn't mean we can simply let it go and say it's okay to do. This is the man running the country and frankly what he did is outrageous.


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Re: Libertarian Party on WMD hearings... [Re: Phred]
    #1648958 - 06/20/03 06:29 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Incorrect. Ever heard of Clinton? Nixon?

At least they were elected.


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Re: Libertarian Party on WMD hearings... [Re: ]
    #1648994 - 06/20/03 06:42 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Iraq's weapons program are a waste of time




Yeah, so is the war on drugs and the war on terrorism ... :frown:


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Re: Libertarian Party on WMD hearings... [Re: Xlea321]
    #1649016 - 06/20/03 06:49 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Alex123 said:
Incorrect. Ever heard of Clinton? Nixon?

At least they were elected.



And you're smart enough to know Bush was as well.

Even if you don't like it.


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Re: Libertarian Party on WMD hearings... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1649031 - 06/20/03 06:55 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

You say elected...I say appointed...


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Re: Libertarian Party on WMD hearings... [Re: Rono]
    #1649032 - 06/20/03 06:56 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Rono said:
You say elected...I say appointed...



And you know better as well.


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