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Re: So.. I think I solved stone henge [Re: Linus]
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if there was a record, it burned at the hands of alexander the great or cortez.

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Re: So.. I think I solved stone henge [Re: PatrickKn]
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It's not just how they moved the stones. (Even though the only place to harvest limestone from anywhere near there, was over 50 miles away, downstream... down the Nile).
Not to mention they didn't have trees. Where did the wood come from? The only trees they had were date trees. And those were used for food.
But let's just assume that ancient people could move 50 tons stone blocks hundreds of miles without any issues, let's just forget about that. How the fuck did they carve them out of the rock with laser precision?

The pyramids are so massive, and so perfect, that even if we tried to replicate them today, we would fail, miserably. (And we have tried to recreate them).

It is thought that the Egyptians built the Pyramids. But there is no evidence supporting that claim whatsoever.
The Ancient Egyptians did not have the technology or the means. Egyptians also plastered their art EVERYWHERE, a full spectrum of their daily life, work and rituals. Every building the Egyptians ever built, is covered with their art depicting every aspect of their lives.

Yet nowhere in any of the great pyramids (the most monumental structure to ever be built on the planet) is there a single painting or Egyptian text that wasn't there originally. They buried their royalty in the Valley of Kings, not in giant stone buildings. And they plastered pictures and text all over the tombs, also completely absent inside the Great pyramids.

It is said it took 10,000 workers 20 years to build the Pyramids. But again, that's a bullshit claim someone pulled out of their ass. There wasn't even enough people within a 500 mile radius, ASSUMING it actually took 10,000 people.

In actuality, ancient Egyptian texts and writings often talk of beings from the sky, the sky opening and bright lights coming down to teach them technology and give them wisdom. Even in some of the monumental writings by the Pharaohs who are academically credited with their construction are references to the pyramids of Giza being ancient even in their time. What about the fact that although the Egyptians kept very careful records about everything they ever did; every king they had, every war they fought, and every structure they built, there were no records of them ever having built the pyramids?

Thus based on these and other facts, it is highly improbable that the Ancient Egyptians actually built the pyramids.

Now that that is out of way, lets look at some of the details and facts regarding their actual construction.
I'm just going to quote a few things here.

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Many of the casing stones and interior chamber blocks of the great pyramid were fit together with extremely high precision. Based on measurements taken on the north eastern casing stones, the mean opening of the joints are only 1/50th of an inch wide.

The Great Pyramid is the most remarkable building in existence on the face of our planet today. It was built with such precision that our current technology cannot replicate it.  This pyramid is so precisely constructed that until recently (with the advent of laser measuring equipment) scientists were not able to discover some of its subtle symmetries (not to mention duplicate them)

The pyramid remained the tallest man-made structure in the world for over 3,800 years, unsurpassed until the 160 meter tall spire of Lincoln Cathedral was completed c. 1300.

The accuracy of the pyramid's workmanship is such that the four sides of the base have a mean error of only 58 millimeter in length, and 1 minute in angle from a perfect square.

The base is horizontal and flat to within 15 mm. The sides of the square are closely aligned to the four cardinal compass points (within 3 minutes of arc based on true north not magnetic north).

The completed design dimensions, as suggested by Petrie's survey and later studies, are estimated to have originally been 280 cubits in height by 440 cubits in length at each of the four sides of its base. These proportions equate to an accuracy of better than 0.05% which some Egyptologists consider to have been the result of deliberate design proportion.




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There are details of the actual structure that tend to make it unlikely a primitive culture could have accomplished this task alone. The alignment to the cardinal points is almost perfect, a feat even our modern engineers can have trouble obtaining. While a settle rate of six inches over a hundred years is normal and acceptable for large modern buildings, the 6,000 million ton weight of the Great Pyramid at Giza has settled less than an inch and a half over the last 5,000 years. Also compare the straightness of the sides. Modern office buildings are considered quite well constructed if the walls are within 6 inches of being squared, yet the Great Pyramid, forty-two stories tall and covering the area of over a dozen football fields, is squared to within a quarter of an inch of true.



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The positioning of the three Pyramids of Giza are exactly aligned with the position of the three stars in the belt of Orion, both in position and in size. While it is possible, it would create many difficulties for the Egyptians in terms of measuring huge distances. Not only this, but in fact, at the time that the pyramids were supposedly built (about 3000 BC), the stars that make up the Belt of Orion were not exactly at the correct angle to match up with the pyramids. If the location of the stars is traced back over thousands of years, the time at which the belt is exactly aligned with the pyramids is in fact 10,500 BC. A time when there were supposedly no civilized humans living on the earth.

Another fact to support this is, if you consider the Sphinx, a lion with a human head and then look at the size of the body, you can see that the body is perfectly proportioned for the head of a lion, not the human head. This human head looks tiny and silly sitting on top of the body. This is because the Sphinx was actually built in 10,500 BC, around the same time as the pyramids, with a real head of a lion. Evidence to support this is that there are signs of water erosion all over the Sphinx. The last time that there was any water nearby, aside from the Nile is around 10,000 BC. Also, the constellation of Leo the Lion (thus closely related to the Sphinx), was in fact rising directly behind the sun in 10,500 BC. Why is it that the great Pyramids of Giza, built in 3,000, are perfect, and still standing as tall as the day they were built? (Aside from the capstone and the polished stones, which were stripped by humans in the building of Cairo) The other Pyramids, which were supposedly built about 500 years later, all have shoddy masonry, and are crumbling down. An example of this is the famous 'bent' pyramid, which started out with the sides being built at one angle, then suddenly shifts in the middle to a shallower angle. This is because the angle at which it was started was much too steep for it to stand when finished. It is because the Egyptian pharaohs saw the great pyramids standing on their land and decided that they wanted pyramids of their own. But they found that it was much harder to do than was expected and ended up building silly looking structures that don't even come close to comparing with the magnitude of elegance emanating from the great pyramids.

If you take the perimeter of the pyramid and divide it by two times the height, you get a number that is exactly equivalent to the number pi (3.14159...) up to the fifteenth digit. The chances of this phenomenon happening by sheer chance is remarkably small. Did the ancient Egyptians know what the number pi was? Not likely, seeing as it was a number not calculated accurately to the fourth digit until the 6th century, and the pyramids calculate it to the fifteenth.

What about the fact that even though the sides of the base of the pyramid are some 757 feet long, it still forms an almost perfect square? Every angle in the base is exactly 90 degrees. In fact, the sides have a difference in length of something like two centimeters, which is an incredibly small amount.

What about the fact that the Egyptians had not even invented the wheel yet, but the blocks that they had to carry to build the pyramids weighed about 2 tons each? 4,000 lbs.? What did they do... use cement? In fact, they used so much stone, that if you took all of the stone they used and cut it into 1 foot square blocks, it would extend 2/3 of the way around the earth!!!

If you take the line of longitude that the pyramid lies on and the latitude that the pyramid lies on, 31 degrees north by 31 degrees west (the fact that they are the same number is a coincidence?) they are the two lines that cover the most combined land area in the world. In essence, the pyramid is the center of all of the land mass of the whole earth!!!!

How about the fact that a group of modern scientists attempted to build a pyramid out next to the real one using modern technologies, and after something like 100 days, succeeded in building one about 1/40 of the size of the real one?

Did you know that the height of the pyramid (481 feet) is almost exactly 1/1,000,000,000 of the distance from the earth to the sun (480.6 billion feet)?




Not only do the Pyramids line up exactly with Orion, but their layout forms a perfect Golden Ratio:




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Here are some facts that have recently been re-discovered about the Great Pyramid...

General:
- The pyramid is estimated to have about 2,300,000 stone blocks weighing from 2-30 Tons each with some weighing as much as 70 tons.
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- There is so much stone mass in the pyramid that the interior temperature is constant and equals the average temperature of the earth, 20 Degrees Celsius (68 Degrees Fahrenheit).

- Two types of limestone were used for construction. A soft limestone either pure or nummulitic was used for the bulk of the core blocks and a hard white limestone for the mantle. Hard limestone becomes more polished with age.

- The base of the pyramid covers 55,000m2 (592,000 ft2) with each side greater than 20,000m2 (218,000 ft2) in area.

- The outer mantle was composed of 144,000 casing stones, all highly polished and flat to an accuracy of 1/100th of an inch, about 100 inches thick and weighing about 15 tons each.

- The average casing stone on the lowest level was 5 ft. long by 5 ft. high by 6 ft. deep and weighed 15 tons.

- The mortar used is of an unknown origin. It has been analyzed and its chemical composition is known but it can't be reproduced. It is stronger than the stone and still holding up today.

- The cornerstone foundations of the pyramid have ball and socket construction capable of dealing with heat expansion and earthquakes.

- There are no hieroglyphics or writing in the Great Pyramid.

- With the mantle in place, the Great Pyramid could be seen from the mountains in Israel and probably the moon as well.

- Its polished surfaces would have reflected light like a beacon.

- Aligned True North: The Great Pyramid is the most accurately aligned structure in existence and faces true north with only 3/60th of a degree of error. The position of the North Pole moves over time and the pyramid was exactly aligned at one time.

- Centre of Land Mass: The Great Pyramid is located at the centre of the land mass of the earth. The east/west parallel that crosses the most land and the north/south meridian that crosses the most land intersect in two places on the earth, one in the ocean and the other at the Great Pyramid.

- The relationship between Pi (p) and Phi (F) is expressed in the fundamental proportions of the Great Pyramid.

Numbers of relevance:

The length of a base is 9131 Pyramid Inches from corner to corner in a straight line.
The length of a base side at the base socket level is 9,131 Pyramid Inches or 365.24 Pyramid Cubits.
The length of a base side at sidereal socket level is 9,131.4 Pyramid Inches or 365.256 Pyramid Cubits.
The length of the perimeter at the sidereal socket level is 36,525.63629 Pyramid Inches.
The perfect formula height of the pyramid including the missing apex is 5 813.2355653763 Pyramid Inches, calculated from perimeter of base divided by 2 Pyramid Inches.
The height to the missing apex is 5,812.98 Pyramid Inches.
The volume of the pyramid is: V = 1/3 base area x height = 161,559,817,000 cubic Pyramid Inches = 10,339,828.3 cubic Pyramid Cubits. [(5,813.2355653 Pyramid Inches)/3 * 9 131 Pyramid Inches * 9 131 Pyramid Inches]


Precision of engineering:

- The four faces of the pyramid are slightly concave, the only pyramid to have been built this way.

- The centres of the four sides are indented with an extraordinary degree of precision forming the only 8 sided pyramid.

- The effect is not visible from the ground or from a distance but only from the air, and then only under the proper lighting conditions.

- The granite coffer in the "King's Chamber" is too big to fit through the passages and so it must have been put in place during construction.

- Microscopic analysis of the coffer reveals that it was made with a fixed point drill that used hard jewel bits and a drilling force of 2 tons.

- The coffer was sawn out of a block of solid granite. This would have required bronze saws 8-9 ft. long set with teeth of sapphires. Hollowing out of the interior would require tubular drills of the same material applied with a tremendous vertical force.

- The Great Pyramid had a swivel door entrance at one time. Swivel doors were found in only two other pyramids: Khufu's father and grandfather, Sneferu and Huni, respectively.

- It is reported that when the pyramid was first broken into that the swivel door, weighing some 20 tons, was so well balanced that it could be opened by pushing out from the inside with only minimal force, but when closed, was so perfect a fit that it could scarcely be detected and there was not enough crack or crevice around the edges to gain a grasp from the outside.

- If the height of the pyramid is taken as the radius of a circle, then the circumference of this circle is the same as the perimeter of the base. This provided the complimentary squaring of a circle and circling of a square. The key to this relationship is knowledge of the value of Pi and designing the angle of the pyramid to be exactly 51 degrees, 51 minutes, and 14.3 seconds.


Embedded Constants:

- Tropical Year or Calendar Year: The length of a base side is 9,131 Pyramid Inches measured at the mean socket level, or 365.24 Pyramid Cubits, which is the number of days in a year [9,131/25 = 365.24, accurate to 5 digits]. The perimeter of the base divided by 100 = 365.24, the number of days in a year. [9 131 Pyramid Inches * 4 / 100, accurate to 5 digits]

- Tropical Year: The length of the Antechamber used as the diameter of a circle produces a circumference of 365.242 (accurate to 6 digits).

- Tropical Year: The ratio of the lengths of the Grand Gallery to the solid diagonal of the King's Chamber times 100 equals the number of days in a tropical year. [(1,881.5985600 / 51.516461) * 100 = 365.242200, accurate to 8 digits]

- Sidereal Year: The length of the antechamber of the King's Chamber times Pi = length of a sidereal year [116.26471 Pyramid Inches * 3.14159 = 365.25636 days, accurate to 8 digits]

- Sidereal Year: The length of a base side at sidereal socket level is 365.256 Pyramid Cubits. [accurate to 6 digits]

- Mean Distance to the Sun: Half of the length of the diagonal of the base times 10^6 = average distance to the sun

- Mean Distance to Sun: The height of the pyramid times 10^9 represents the mean radius of the earth's orbit around the sun, or Astronomical Unit (AU). [5,813.235565376 Pyramid Inches x 10^9 = 91,848,816.9 miles]

- Mean Distance to Moon: The length of the Jubilee passage times 7 times 10^7 is the mean distance to the moon. [215.973053 Pyramid Inches * 7 * 10^7 = 1.5118e10 Pyramid Inches = 238,865 miles]

- Sun's Radius: Twice the perimeter of the bottom of the granite coffer times 10^8 is the sun's mean radius. [270.45378502 Pyramid Inches* 10^8 = 427,316 miles]

- Earth's Polar Radius: The Sacred Cubit times 10^7 = polar radius of the earth (distance from North Pole to earth's centre) [25 Pyramid Inches * 10^7 * (1.001081 in / 1 Pyramid Inches) * (1 ft / 12 in) * (1 mi/ 5280 ft) = 3,950 miles]

- Earth's Polar Radius: The Pyramid embodies a scale ratio of 1/43,200. The height * 43200 = 3,938.685 miles, which is the polar radius of the earth to within 11 mi.

- Radius of the Earth: The curvature designed into the faces of the pyramid exactly matches the radius of the earth.

- Equatorial Circumference of the Earth: The Pyramid embodies a scale ratio of 1/43,200. The perimeter of the base * 43,200 = 24,734.94 miles, which is within 170 miles of the equatorial circumference of the earth.

- Earth's Volume: The product of the pyramid's volume and density times 10^15 equals the ratio of volume to density of the earth. [10,339,823.3 cubic cubits * 0.4078994 * 10^15 = 4.21760772 x 10^21 cubic cubits = 259.93 x 10^9 cubic miles]

- Earth's Mass: Mass of the pyramid = volume * density = 10,339,823.3 cubic cubits * 0.4078994 earth density = 4,217,497. The mass converted to pyramid tons = 4,217,607.72 * 1.25 = 5,272,010 pyramid tons. Since the mean density of the earth was defined as 1.0, then the mass of the earth is 10^15 times the mass in pyramid tons = 5.272 x 10^21 pyramid tons = 5.99 x 10^24 Kg

- Speed of Earth around the Sun: The Pyramid Inch times 10^8 = the speed of the earth around the sun, circa 2600 BCE

- Mass of the Earth: The weight of the pyramid is estimated at 5,955,000 tons. Multiplied by 10^8 gives a reasonable estimate of the earth's mass

- Average Land Height: The average height of land above sea level for the earth is 5,449 inches. This is also the height of the pyramid.

- The Light Equation: The height of the Great Pyramid, minus the height of the capstone represents one millionth the time it takes light to travel the mean radius of the earth's orbit around the sun (1 astronomical unit) using 1 Pyramid Inch equals 24 hours (mean solar day). [(5,813.2355653 - 103.0369176) /
10^6 = .0057101986+ days = 493.36116 seconds = 8 minutes, 13.36 seconds]

- The Velocity of Light: With distance of one A.U. known and the transit time of light for this same distance the velocity of light can be found. [91,848,816.9 miles / 493.36+ seconds = 186,169.5 miles/sec]

- The Sun's Parallax: The size of the earth as viewed from the Sun and expressed as an angle and generally taken to be 1/2 the diameter at the equator (Solar Equatorial Parallax) is 8.9008091 seconds of arc using 91848,817 miles as the mean distance to the sun and 3,963.4914 miles as the equatorial radius. The distance between the mean socket level and the height of the leveled bedrock is 8.9008 Pyramid Inches.

Astronomical:

- The Descending Passage pointed to the pole star Alpha Draconis, circa 2170-2144 BCE. This was the North Star at that point in time. No other star has aligned with the passage since then.

- The 344ft length of the Descending Passage provides an angle of view of only +/- 1/3 of a degree. Alpha Draconis has not been in alignment for thousands of years. The next alignment will be with the North Star, Polaris, in about 2004 CE. Polaris in Greek means "Satan".

- The southern shaft in the King's Chamber (45 deg, 00 min, 00 sec) pointed to the star Al Nitak (Zeta Orionis) in the constellation Orion, circa 2450 BCE The Orion constellation was associated with the Egyptian god Osiris. No other star aligned with this shaft during that Epoch.

- The northern shaft in the King's Chamber (32 deg, 28 min, 00 sec) pointed to the star Alpha Draconis, circa 2450 BCE

- The southern shaft in the Queen's Chamber (39 deg, 30 min, 00 sec) pointed to the star Sirius, circa 2450 BCE Sirius was associated with the Egyptian goddess Isis and is also part of a unique ceremony practiced by the African Dogon tribe.

- The northern shaft in the Queen's Chamber (39 deg, 00 min, 00 sec) pointed to the star Ursa Minor, circa 2450 BCE
Pyramids mirror Orion Constellation: The pyramid positions on the ground are a reflection of the positions of the stars in the constellation Orion circa 10400BCE Five of the 7 brightest stars have pyramid equivalents: The 3 great pyramids of Khufu, Khafra, and Menkaura for the belt of Orion, the pyramid of Nebka at Abu Rawash corresponds to the star Saiph, the pyramid at Zawat al Aryan corresponds to the star Bellatrix. The only two missing star positions are for Betelgeuse and Rigel.

- Marks Spring Equinox: Due to the angle of the sides of the pyramid vs. its latitude, it casts no shadow at noon during the spring equinox.

- Precession of the Equinoxes: The sum of the pyramid's two base diagonals in Pyramid Inches = length of the Precession of the Equinoxes (25,827 years)

- Precession of the Equinoxes: The distance from the ceiling of the King's Chamber to the apex of the pyramid = 4,110.5 Pyramid Inches. Which is the radius of a circle whose circumference = the precession of the equinoxes. [4,110.5 * 2 * Pyramid Inches = 25,827]

- Precession of the Equinoxes: The perimeter of the 35th course of blocks, which is much thicker than any of the other courses, gives a figure for the precession of the equinoxes.






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Re: So.. I think I solved stone henge [Re: deXtrous]
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OK genius....tell us how the fuck they cut and moved a single 1000 ton stone from a rock quarry to the Ramesseum in Egypt over 170 miles away without machinery??? :mad:


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Re: So.. I think I solved stone henge [Re: koraks]
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koraks said:
Shroomism said:
I agree with you on Stone Henge but not the Great Pyramids of Giza.

Even with our "advanced sciences" and industrialization today we would not be able to recreate them with such precision or even close. There are no other real world examples. 




Nah, we could definitely build the pyramids. It wouldn't actually be too challenging; the biggest problem would be to get a budget and workforce together. But I've seen enough in industry to know for a fact that in terms of things like precision and alignment, the pyramids wouldn't a big deal to build today. Still very costly, but not the unique, technical feat that they were 3000 years ago.

Of course, it's still mind boggling that those ancient Egyptions pulled it off with technology that would probably be as alien to us as truly alien technology...there's a bit of 'ancient aliens' to it after all!



I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree. Just because we DID try to recreate the pyramids, and failed.
With all our modern technology and the latest and greatest minds, they were unable to even come close, using a 1/10th scale model.
We pumped tons of money and technology into it, and still failed to even make a 1/10th scale model.
We just recently even developed the proper technology to be able to even MEASURE how precise the pyramids are. Read some of the facts I linked above.

We may think we are fucking awesome. But even our modern technology cannot recreate the Great Pyramids. On a smaller scale.

It's not just a bunch of bigass heavy blocks stacked in a pyramid. There is far far more to it.

It would be a really fucking big deal if we could recreate them. But we can't. We lack the technology and/or know-how


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Re: So.. I think I solved stone henge [Re: Shroomism]
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it certainly is amazing, all of that info you've just posted. i might have to get myself a book or two on the pyramids and do a bit of reading.


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Re: So.. I think I solved stone henge [Re: Dosile Kouki]
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I wondering why a fairly 'modern' culture suddenly popped up out of nowhere about 5000 years ago....hmmmm.....they even found shit like these big pots with zinc and lead in them....they didnt know what they were, until someone said zinc and lead forms batteries.  I think what happened, civilization got its ass greased, probably in a war, and a few artifacts remained.


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Re: So.. I think I solved stone henge [Re: Dawks]
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Dawks said:
Pretty sure it was aliens, OP.

:ancientaliens:



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Re: So.. I think I solved stone henge [Re: Mafeki]
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i wish there was a way to authenticate these stories personally beyond the pictures that they provide. forget the bible shit too.

Odd Things in Wrong Places

Every once in a while archaeologists (and sometimes regular Joes) make some remarkable discoveries. Stunned, they are often unable to explain what it is they’ve found, how it came into existence, or ascertain its value. This is a comprehensive list of such artifacts; artifacts that many believe should have never existed given the discerned age/period of their creation.

In June 1936 (or 1934 according to some accounts), Max Hahn and his wife Emma were on a walk when they noticed a rock with wood protruding from its core. They decided to take the oddity home and later cracked it open with a hammer and a chisel. Ironically, what they found within seemed to be an archaic hammer of sorts. A team of archaeologists checked it, and as it turns out, the rock encasing the hammer was dated back more than 400 million year; the hammer itself turned out to be more than 500 million years old. Additionally, a section of the handle has begun the transformation to coal.  The hammer’s head, made of more than 96% iron, is far more pure than anything nature could have achieved without an assist from modern technology.




As man digs and scrapes and drills into the mysterious earth, many surprising finds are made. It follows that mining and farming have been fruitful sources of curious finds in the past. We can feel strong regrets that as both occupations have become more and more mechanized, fewer and fewer finds of value for scientific study will occur. The following interesting items make two important points. If conventional dating is followed, ancient man seems to be far more ancient than he should be. In fact, he must have been thriving before he is supposed to have evolved. Second, ancient man was a very sophisticated person. There is no indication that his brain gradually evolved. Both of these conclusions, obviously, are completely opposite to evolutionary theory.

One of the most prodigious lava flow in the history of the world occurred in the Pacific Northwest. The lava spread over an estimated 200,000 square miles in depths up to 5,000 feet. In 1972, a competent geologist stated that the eruptions took place a mere fifteen million years ago. Much of Washington, Oregon, Idaho and portions of neighbouring states was covered. The immense age of the deposit "can easily be imagined by the fact that the Snake River has cut canyons through the deposit to depths of up to 3000 feet".

Still, there are several curious things about this lava flow. Many competent observers have commented on the remarkable freshness of the deposit, as though the eruptions took place in very recent times. A startling find was made in 1889 near Nampa, Idaho. While workers were boring an artesian well, a small figurine of baked clay was extracted from a depth of 320 feet. Above the figurine, the drill, inside a 6-inch tubing, had cut through fifteen feet of basalt lava and many other strata. The find has never been challenged except to say that it was impossible. The conclusion is unmistakable. Before the basalt flowed, sophisticated humans lived in the area (Velikovsky, 1955, p.87; Pensee , May 1972, 2:2, p.18). Ancient men lived in California. They worked the hardest stones, fabricated perfect granite mortars and dishes, used a circular, skillet-like vessel made of lava, hard as iron, which had three legs and a spout, made polished stone axes with perfect holes drilled in them for a handle, and fashioned ladles, disks or quoits. They were able to bore into the bowels of mountains for gold and silver

One ancient shaft was drilled 210 feet down into solid rock. An altar for worship was found there. Other finds include the following: a mortar for grinding gold ore at a depth of 300 feet in a mining tunnel, a mortar and pestle weighing 30 pounds, beads, perforated stones, a 40-pound oval granite dish. One human skull was found at a depth of 130 feet under five beds of lava and tufa separated by layers of gravel. Man came before the lava flowed, and deep canyons have been cut by rivers since the lava spread. An amazing number of stone relics have been found. The finding are almost always in gold-bearing rock or gravels (Victoria Institute , 1879, 15:193-198).

A California newspaper reported the find of an elaborately carved rock and other worked stones weighing up to 800 pounds which had been found in hydraulic operations hundreds of feet underground. The original site was an ancient river bed dated long before the last Ice Age (Edward, 1964, p.109).  Nothing describes what has been discovered in California quite as well as Job 28 (TEV). Similar locations have been studied in many parts of the world. Read this detailed and sophisticated memory of what mining in ancient times was like.

Far from where anyone lives or human feet ever travel, men dig the shafts of mines. There they work in loneliness, clinging to ropes in the pits. There are mines where silver is dug. There are places where gold is refined. Men dig iron out of the ground and melt copper out of the stones. Men explore the deepest darkness. They search the depths of the earth and dig for rocks in the darkness. Food grows out of the earth, but underneath the same earth all is torn up and crushed. The stones of the earth contain sapphires, and the dust contains gold. No hawk sees the roads to the mines, and no vulture ever flies over them. No lion or other fierce beast ever travels those lonely roads. Men dig the hardest rocks, dig mountains away at their base. As they tunnel through the rock, they discover precious stones. They dig to the sources of rivers and bring to light what is hidden. The value of wisdom is more than coral, or crystal, or rubies, or the finest topaz and the purest gold.
-- From the book of Job, chapter 28

In the museum at Moses Lake, Washington, are some very crude scrapers on exhibit which were found under a glacial morain. This would appear to date man in Washington to a time before the Pleistocene epoch, which scientists are reluctant to do. A similar discovery was made near Sudbury, Ontario, Canada. Crude choppers and scrapers of quartzite were found deep in the earth and had been tumbled and mixed in glacial till. Again this is evidence that man lived there before the glacial advance. Scientists do not want to put man in America that long ago (Folsom, 1971, p.70; p.184). Such finds are no problem for creationists who see no conflict for such finds within a biblical time framework.

A strange account comes from the little village of Plateau City, Colorado, a short distance east of Grand Junction. A resident was digging a cellar in 1936. At a depth of ten feet he found paved tile laid in some kind of mortar, different from any other construction in the valley. While the tiles are dated anywhere from 20,000 to 80,000 years old, they lie in a Miocene formation, which could make it up to 25,000,000 years old by conventional dating (Edward, 1962, p.100-101).
In 1871 near Chillicothe, Illinois, well drillers brought up a bronze coin from a depth of 114 feet. This remarkable discovery was described in the Proceedings of the American Philosophic Society . This is additional evidence that man had been present there. Rapid change of the terrain is also indicated (Edwards, 1962, p.101).

Heizer notes a number of impossibilities according to commonly accepted geological dating: a hyena tooth sawed by a flint before it became fossilized, cutting operations on the fossilized bone of an extinct rhinoceros and on other animals at a site near Paris, and evidence of the use of a sharp tool on the horn of fossilized rhino remains in Ireland. Under the surface of the North Sea the trunk of an oak was removed from a long submerged forest. The trunk showed the marks of a hatchet on it. (Heizer, 1962, p.107-114).

  Conventional theory has early hunters migrating from Asia to America. One of the best known early projectile points is the Folsom point, and the identical pattern is found both in China and over much of America. It is of particular interest that this point is dated as early as 10,000 B.C. in America, but no earlier than 2000 B.C. in China (Mertz, 1972, p.99). Theory, however, requires the points in China to be older.
Should "age" depend on where you find it?   

Stuff found in the Coal Deposits

It is said that coal is a by-product of decaying vegetation and that it takes from 30 to 300 million years for its natural production. Thus when "impossible" items like jewellery, a spoon, a metallic cube and other man-made objects are found in lumps of coal, we are inclined to perceive human history in a dramatically new light.

From time to time, unusual artifacts are found in strange places. Some of these items are "problematic" to the accepted teaching of the day for those who are indoctrinating students that the world is billions and billions of years old and the result of natural phenomenon . . .

For example, how do coal miners find man-made artifacts in coal veins buried deeply below the earth's surface?

There is a growing list of these items that made the news in their day, but then were put aside as unexplainable anomalies by those that is indoctrinating students that the world is billions and billions of years old.  When we put them all together, however, their existence challenges everything we thought we knew about the world and human history. There are many hard-line evolutionary fundamentalists who would like to sweep such things under the rug so they don't confuse their archaic belief systems.

Nevertheless, these things exist. We offer a list of the ones we presently know about. We are sure there are many others which we don't know about or have gone unreported.

The Morrisonville, Illinois Times, on June 11, 1891, said Mrs. S. W. Culp found a circular shaped eight-carat gold chain, about 10 inches long, embedded in a lump of coal after she broke it apart to put in her scuttle. The chain was described as "antique" and of "quaint workmanship." The story said only part of the chain was revealed when she first broke open the coal, and that the rest of the chain remained buried within the coal. The coal came from one of the southern Illinois mines.

Within the Creation Evidence Museum at Glen Rose, Texas, can be found a cast iron pot reportedly found in a large lump of coal in 1912 by a worker feeding coal into a local electric power plant. When he split open the coal the worker said the pot fell out, leaving its impression in the coal. The coal had been mined at Wilburton, Oklahoma. The bell and pot are strong evidence of the Genesis story of Tubal Cain, who forged metals prior to the flood.

Yet another story found in Epoch Times told of a Colorado rancher who in the 1800s broke open a lump of coal, dug from a vein some 300 feet in the earth, and found a "strange-looking iron thimble." The item was dubbed the "Thimble of Eve" by the media. Since its discovery, however, and due to mishandling by its owners, the iron corroded and disintegrated.



The Salzburg Cube is yet another ancient puzzle found by a worker named Reidl in an Austrian foundry in 1885. Like the others, this man broke open a block of coal and found a metal cube embedded inside.  The mining engineer wrote off the item as a meteorite, but more recent analysis shows that the object was a forged iron and obviously hand crafted. The item is not perfectly square, with slightly rounded sides on two ends. It measures only two and a half by one and four-fifth of an inch. There is an incision that runs around it horizontally, suggesting it may have been a machine part.


MAN-MADE BELL FOUND IN LUMP OF COAL

In 1944, as a ten year old boy, Newton Anderson dropped a lump of coal in his basement and found that it contained this bell inside. The bituminous coal that was mined near his house in Upshur County West Virginia is supposed to be about 300 million years old! What is a brass bell with an iron clapper doing in coal ascribed to the Carboniferous Period? According to Norm Sharbaugh’s book Ammunition (which includes several "coal anecdotes") the bell is an antediluvian artifact (made before the Genesis Flood). The Institute for Creation Research had the bell submitted to the lab at the University of Oklahoma. There a nuclear activation analysis revealed that the bell contains an unusual mix of metals, different from any known modern alloy production (including copper, zinc, tin, arsenic, iodine, and selenium). Genesis 4:22 states that Tubal-Cain was "an instructor of every artificer in brass and iron..." Perhaps when his civilization came to an end in the flood, this bell was buried with a mass of vegetation that became coal and ended up thousands of years later in Newt Anderson’s coal bin. The bell was prominently featured in the 1992 CBS docudrama production called Ancient Secrets of the Bible and is now part of the Genesis Park collection. For more detailed pictures of the bell and the demon-like figure on top.  A handful of other such accounts have been recorded, including the intricate gold chain found in coal (Sanderson, Ivan T., Uninvited Visitors, 1967, pp. 195-196.) and the cast iron pot found in a coal seam at the Municipal Electric Plant in Thomas, OK (now archived at Creation Evidence Museum).  CLICK HERE for more information on this remarkable find.

A large ceramic spoon or ladle was found in the ashes of a coal stove by a woman in Pennsylvania in 1937. The item was sent to The Smithsonian Institute for examination, and remained buried in the volumes of artifacts stored there until its existence was made public in 1976.

Workers in stone quarries also have found impossible objects.

It is said that in 1844, quarry workers at Rutherford Mills, England, found a piece of gold thread embedded in rock about eight feet in the ground.

The London Times in 1851 reported that Hiram DeWitt, of Springfield, Mass, brought a piece of quartz home from a trip to California. When the stone was accidentally dropped it split open and inside was a cut-iron six-penny nail. The nail was described as perfectly straight and with its head still intact.

A British publication of 1845-51 contained a report by Sir David Brewster that a nail was found in a block of stone from the Kingoodie Quarry, North Britain. The head of the nail was exposed but an inch of it was embedded in the stone.

The oxidized remains of a tapered, threaded iron screw was found in a piece of feldspar removed from a mine near Treasure City, Nevada, in 1869.

Then there was a "mystery object of exquisite workmanship" found by workers in solid pudding stone, about 15 feet in the ground, at Dorchester, Mass. A story in the June, 1851 edition of Scientific American said the artifact was a "bell-shaped vessel" four and a half inches high, six and a half inches wide at the base, and two and a half inches wide at the top. The sides are inlaid with images of flowers, fines or a wreath. The object appears to be a composition of metals, and inlaid with silver.

It seems that everywhere we look, we find things that contradict the "scientific orthodoxy" of today.  But the scientific establishment will never, ever acknowledge or admit to these artefacts as being authentic.  To do so would be to admit that they are completely wrong about our origins and thus all of the text books used to indoctrinate out children with.  This is unacceptable to them, so we will never expect them to do so.  Only the return of the Lord Jesus Christ will cause them to admit to the truth.  But the Bible says they will mourn when this happens:

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Shroomism said:
I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree. Just because we DID try to recreate the pyramids, and failed.



How many flawed/crappy pyramids were built? Based on one try (unclear by whom), your assessment is that we can't do it as a society. That's flawed logic.

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With all our modern technology and the latest and greatest minds, they were unable to even come close, using a 1/10th scale model.
We pumped tons of money and technology into it, and still failed to even make a 1/10th scale model.
We just recently even developed the proper technology to be able to even MEASURE how precise the pyramids are. Read some of the facts I linked above.



That's the key - we don't know how the Egyptians did it. But that doesn't mean they couldn't do it. It only means that the records that we have of how they did it are incomplete and we don't understand them very well.
To my understanding, there have been experiments in pyramid building using the technology that we today think the Egyptians might have used. If we were to build them with today's technology, it actually wouldn't be too difficult. The failure of the experiment you refer to only illustrates flawed information transfer from the Egyptians to us and our lack of commitment as a society as a whole to stacking big blocks of stone in a very precise manner in a pyramid shape. How surprising.

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We may think we are fucking awesome. But even our modern technology cannot recreate the Great Pyramids. On a smaller scale.



The assumption that today's society isn't capable of this is an example of flawed logic. Today, we have significantly more people just as intelligent as the Egyptians, much more proficient methods and tools for information management and a plethora of technological know-how. It has enabled us to put men on the moon, to deposit intricate structures with nanometer precision, to organize the logistics for gargantuan building/landscaping projects and to make information globally available in a matter of microseconds. Of course we could build the pyramids. But why would we? It's already been done and in today's society, it would serve no purpose. We don't commit to the effort because we don't need to. Using that basis to assume that we aren't capable of pulling it off is a nonsensical conclusion. Using that doubtful conclusion to suggest alien involvement is, well, 'very creative', let's put it that way.

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Check this out, WRITING has been discovered inside the great pyramid..i think they're still trying to decypher it.


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koraks said:
That's the key - we don't know how the Egyptians did it. But that doesn't mean they couldn't do it. It only means that the records that we have of how they did it are incomplete and we don't understand them very well.
To my understanding, there have been experiments in pyramid building using the technology that we today think the Egyptians might have used. If we were to build them with today's technology, it actually wouldn't be too difficult. The failure of the experiment you refer to only illustrates flawed information transfer from the Egyptians to us and our lack of commitment as a society as a whole to stacking big blocks of stone in a very precise manner in a pyramid shape. How surprising.



That's the thing. The Egyptians didn't leave ANY records of building the pyramids. Even though they left records of EVERYTHING they ever did, every pharaoh, every war, every building they ever built. There are no records of them building the pyramids, because they didn't build them. The pharaohs of the time even wrote that the pyramids were ANCIENT during their time. The Egyptians did not transmit any information about how to build the pyramids. The wheel wasn't even invented at the time. And the Egyptians had no trees.

All evidence indicates the Egyptians are not the ones to have built the pyramids.  The only reason we assume the Ancient Egyptians built them is because, well, they are in Egypt.

koraks said:
The assumption that today's society isn't capable of this is an example of flawed logic. Today, we have significantly more people just as intelligent as the Egyptians, much more proficient methods and tools for information management and a plethora of technological know-how. It has enabled us to put men on the moon, to deposit intricate structures with nanometer precision, to organize the logistics for gargantuan building/landscaping projects and to make information globally available in a matter of microseconds. Of course we could build the pyramids. But why would we? It's already been done and in today's society, it would serve no purpose. We don't commit to the effort because we don't need to. Using that basis to assume that we aren't capable of pulling it off is a nonsensical conclusion. Using that doubtful conclusion to suggest alien involvement is, well, 'very creative', let's put it that way.



At no point did I say it was aliens.

I just said it wasn't the Egyptians.

We don't "need" to do any of the crap we do. It's all superfluous. Building giant buildings and whatnot.

That's not a good enough excuse to prove "we can do it, we just don't want to".
One good reason to do it would be to prove that we can. But many have tried and failed.

I'm not just talking about one isolated incident where a team of engineers and the top minds in the world TRIED to replicate the Great Pyramid and failed, on 1 /10th model. But it has occurred many different times and every time they have not even been close.

I am telling you it has not been done in today's society.

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While a settle rate of six inches over a hundred years is normal and acceptable for large modern buildings, the 6,000 million ton weight of the Great Pyramid at Giza has settled less than an inch and a half over the last 5,000 years. Also compare the straightness of the sides. Modern office buildings are considered quite well constructed if the walls are within 6 inches of being squared, yet the Great Pyramid, forty-two stories tall and covering the area of over a dozen football fields, is squared to within a quarter of an inch of true.

Many of the casing stones and interior chamber blocks of the great pyramid were fit together with extremely high precision. Based on measurements taken on the north eastern casing stones, the mean opening of the joints are only 1/50th of an inch wide.

This pyramid is so precisely constructed that until recently (with the advent of laser measuring equipment) scientists were not able to discover some of its subtle symmetries (not to mention duplicate them)

The accuracy of the pyramid's workmanship is such that the four sides of the base have a mean error of only 58 millimeter in length, and 1 minute in angle from a perfect square.

The base is horizontal and flat to within 15 mm. The sides of the square are closely aligned to the four cardinal compass points (within 3 minutes of arc based on true north not magnetic north). Also consider a great feat even by today's standards.



Whoever built these things had technologies and engineering capabilities far surpassing our modern ability.

If modern science wants to put the crazy theories to rest then they should build one if it's so easy.
But they can't, because it's beyond our technical abilities to recreate it with such precision.


Here's another one where they failed.

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"In 1978, apparently after having let their own technological prowess intoxicate them with delusions of grandeur, the Japanese Nisson Corporation, with permission of the government of Egypt, embarked upon a project that would prove to be extremely humbling

"Their mission was to build a pyramid of lesser proportions on the Gizeh desert just southeast of the 3rd pyramid of king Mekaure. Their focus was not to build for size but to build for technique, following the method expounded upon by Herodotus. They were to quarry the stone out of the nearby hills, float it down the rive, hire Arab workmen as haulers using ropes and pulleys to drag the blocks onto and up the ramps, putting them in place manually without the aid of levers.

"Upon beginning construction the Japanese found that they were faced with insurmountable problems. First an foremost, the duplicated hand tools the men were provided with could not cut the stone, so the workers had to resort to the use of air jackhammers. Secondly when the boulders were placed on the rafts another problem arose. They could not prevent the barges from capsizing, since they were soon overrun with water and could not be handled properly. They became unsafe for the men, due to the instability crated by the weight of the steamboat. Upon reaching the shore they ran into a third problem: the limestone boulders began to sink into the river silt and the sand of the desert, and those that did not sink were of no consequence for the men could not budge them. Once again modern technology was called upon in the way of trucks and land rovers to move the stone to the designated site. Finally, adding insult to injury, the great numbers of men that they had amassed, could not lift the blocks by pulley, levers, nor ropes, and as result power cranes plus helicopters were contracted to do the job. Even then, employing the use of today' most powerful lifting machine, those blocks set in place were greatly out alignment, and many (if not most) were broken, chipped and badly scratched, due to improper handling.

"Finally, the Government of Egypt interceded and put and end to their agony. The unauthorized use of the heavy land equipment had torn asunder large stretches of desert land which had become quite an eye sore. The project was terminated and the pyramid, what little was intact, was dismantled. What the world learned from this endeavor was two things-one; that the simple methods conservative scholars have for so long said were utilized were totally inadequate, falling way short of the mark-and two; even with aid of modern technology in regards to transportation, lifting, quarrying, and placing these two ton blocks the job left much to be desired.

"In comparison, the ingenious masonry work exhibited in the construction of the pyramids, especially the Great Pyramid, far surpassed the meager attempts made by the Japanese."

And this one from this site:

"We see that the levering system is too slow to meet the rapid construction rate estimated by Egyptology for building the Great Pyramid: one block set in place every three minutes per work day throughout the 24-year reign of its builder Pharaoh Khufu.

"Given that both the levering system and the huge construction ramp (and any device dependent upon the use of a ramp) are not viable, Egyptology is left without a viable explanation for how over two million massive blocks were placed to build the Great Pyramid within the 24-year reign of Pharaoh Khufu.

"Indeed, Japanese engineers from Waseda university, who built a scale model of the Great Pyramid, estimated that it would have required over a thousand years to build the Great Pyramid. On the other hand, as shown in The Egyptian Pyramid Mystery Is Solved!, history cannot accommodate even a one hundred year construction period. Something is fundamentally wrong with the orthodox theory of pyramid construction."



That was the "most famous" attempt, and yeah is 30+ years ago, but people have tried recently as well, still running into similar problems.
Countless attempts have been made to recreate the Pyramids even on small scales. They have all failed, running into logistical problems.

Even WHEN they use all the latest technology they still fail.

Just because we can build a 200 Foot Pyramid shaped building in Vegas does not mean we can come anywhere close to recreating the Great Pyramids of Giza.


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Very interesting stuff. I read everything you posted, line for line. I wasn't at all aware of all the parallels the pyramids had with the earth cosmically. I was aware that they aligned with certain constellations, but not in that much depth. I can see what you mean by precision, not being merely about moving the rocks from one place to another.

Reminds me a bit about an 8 part documentary I watched a few years back called "Magical Egypt" by a guy named John Anthony West. His theory was that the Pyramids of Giza and the Sphinx were much older than traditional archaeologists believe. But he also went into really deep detail on the organization of their architecture and society as a whole through mnemonic signals and cues. Like you look at a building, the pictures and writings on it, and it's built in a specific way to create the mnemonic aids that lead to a person thinking certain thoughts. It was a really interesting documentary, but it's been a couple years since I watched it. I should rewatch it soon.

I could believe that the architecture that Egyptian societies are associated with could be much older than a couple thousand years, possibly several hundreds of thousands of years old, predating the desert society. I read an interesting article recently (but didn't read too much into it) that linked stories in ancient Indian tradition that told of societies that ruled more than 70,000 years ago and were more advanced than the modern societies at the time of those writings, destroyed by volcanic activity or something.

I also remember watching a slideshow lecture posted online by this guy that matched star alignments and ancient cosmology with places on the earth, and it led him to a mountain somehow (this is from memory of watching it more than 5 years ago, so I could have the facts a little messed up). But what I remember was that the mountain/hill was somewhere in Eastern Europe/Asia and when he started excavating it it was definitely a human built pyramidal structure that had thousands of years worth of overgrowth on it.

This thread has me interested in digging those things up and looking into them a little more deeply. I'm curious to see if there's a lot of evidence for ancient human civilizations that predated the societies of the last 5,000 years. I haven't really been that into the subject for many years.

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I am convinced the Pyramids at Giza are far older than we think.
There is also evidence that the Sphinx outdates the Great Pyramids by possibly 10,000+ years, and appears to have at one point been underwater.

Much of our very ancient history has been hidden from us. Deliberately.

We are not the most technologically advanced society to have been on this planet. That much is for sure.


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In that era of ancient history, you can't just 'forget about the bible'  you can forget about it as a supernatural event and use it to get a glimpse of what was being experiencec.

There is so much in it that is describing advanced technologies--i.e.  'made from a man's rib, in our image' (cloning) given birth by a virgin (artificial insemination) caused to fall into a very long sleep (anasthesia or suspended animation) 'Jesus appeared before his apostles three days after dying (A holographic image) flying machines.....destruction of cities by fire from the sky (nuclear weapons)  cities destroyed by sound or destroyed without damage to some parts (gravity or anti-matter generators, sonic generators) flying wheels in the sky (UFO's.) in some instances the chronology agrees, in others, it doesn't.  So there is a speculation that much of the writers are just people who are re-writing legends of long forgotten events.  In Revelations John 'sees' a 'Vision' (a video recording of an event) and is told that this is man's destiny when he does evil (a video of a past thermonuclear war) and what does it become?  A story about how someday, mans inherent evil brings his destruction in 'fire raining from the sky'

I lived in Turkey and my dad was a pretty high-level amateur archaeologist, and no archaeologist is going to discard documents or writings from ancient time because they are 'the bible' or because somehow the document is 'religious' it has no value, because it is in fact telling parts of a story about SOME events that happened long ago.  What they were, no one knows, but it describes something.


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you seem a little hesistant to come out and say how the pyraminds came to be, but are there any ideas that seem more plausible than others?


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I'm only laying out the facts. I hesitate to state my own thoughts because I know where that leads with most people and it's inconsequential. I'd rather just stick to the facts at hand.

But if you really must know, I think the stones were moved with levitation. How they were cut/designed and fitted is a whole other question.


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fair enough.  i like your approach to it.


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Shroomism said:
I am convinced the Pyramids at Giza are far older than we think.
There is also evidence that the Sphinx outdates the Great Pyramids by possibly 10,000+ years, and appears to have at one point been underwater.

Much of our very ancient history has been hidden from us. Deliberately.

We are not the most technologically advanced society to have been on this planet. That much is for sure.



:awesomenod: that's exactly why things like the bible have information, and are thought 'religious' because they are interpretations of long past events, in many cases, that to the more recent people, seem 'supernatural'--because that past technology was incredibly advanced, so the more modern, less advanced civilization explained them away as stuff by god, etc.


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And why things like Atlantis are written off as crazy people talk

Speaking of which... scientists just discovered two freaking massive GLASS pyramids at the bottom of the freaking ocean right under the Bermuda Triangle (Atlantis)

http://www.apparentlyapparel.com/2/post/2012/03/pyramids-of-glass-submerged-in-the-bermuda-triangle.html

We just keep finding more and more pyramids, built by ancient civilizations. Lots of them underwater.


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what the hell?

i dont even know what to think of that


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