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The effects on the enviornment from modern Agriculture
    #14520182 - 05/27/11 12:45 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

The current world-wide growth in population and affluence is putting global resources under increasing pressure. Agriculture is a major consumer of land, water, and energy. Animal farming is responsible for roughly half of this resource exploitation and is a major source of pollution to natural systems. Although it is unreasonable to think that all Americans might become vegetarian, a simple reduction in the amount of animal products that this country consumes could mean enormous relief for non-renewable resources. This type of diet change has the capacity to decrease the United States' agricultural land, water, and petroleum needs by up to 50 percent.  A diet that includes fewer animal products will also greatly decrease the amount of pollution in waterways, increasing the health of these ecosystems. Decidedly, one of the most profound and positive impacts an American can have on the planet comes from a simple change in eating habits.


I would like others to post some of their own findingw in this thread so that a
nice discussion can arise. Modern Agriculture is terrible for the environment
and a destroyer of our non renewable resources. If we continue this path we are setting
ourselves up for a very rough road ahead. But what else is new right? The sky is always
falling as they say?



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Re: The effects on the enviornment from modern Agriculture [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14520202 - 05/27/11 12:49 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Rule one of humaniy - Loot and plunder.


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Re: The effects on the enviornment from modern Agriculture [Re: DeadHearts] * 1
    #14520207 - 05/27/11 12:50 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

it is bad. But whats absolutely worse is the fact that by making all these small countries grow our coffee and our sugar and other spices, we are taking away their abilility to feed themselves. We have forced traditionally horticulture civilizations who's subsistance was based around one solid crop (sweet potatoes for example) to grow our wants of mouth, then we pay them fucking barely anything and force them to buy food from major agricultural centers.

We have not passed the point of no return, if we could curb our consumption of previously held "luxury" items, and could go back to local food growing forms of subsitance we could make it


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Re: The effects on the enviornment from modern Agriculture [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14520232 - 05/27/11 12:57 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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We have not passed the point of no return, if we could curb our consumption of previously held "luxury" items, and could go back to local food growing forms of subsitance we could make it




Fat chance. We've been trying to move to renewable energy for half a century. Change takes money and everyone complains when they have to pay more at the check out = resist change. Thus, we will never change. :blewmeanie:

Everyone should just buck up and cop it on the chin. Its either change or die.

Cake or death?


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Re: The effects on the enviornment from modern Agriculture [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14520241 - 05/27/11 01:00 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I love meat too much :drooling:

My largest concern is decreasing water table levels. :thumbdown:


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Re: The effects on the enviornment from modern Agriculture [Re: Deekay]
    #14520271 - 05/27/11 01:10 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I read an article recently about a biologist who wants to "grow" meat in warehouse style buildings. Not cloning, there would be no animals, just meat grown from cells somehow. If we did that, everyone would win (except for farmers raising livestock) and we could use a tenth or less of the landmass we currently do to feed the entire world.

Of course, very little funding is actually given to this idea, probably b/c the reptilian illuminati want us all to starve. :tinfoil:


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Re: The effects on the enviornment from modern Agriculture [Re: uber_aj]
    #14520360 - 05/27/11 01:38 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Nice posts thus far. I will be engaging this thread again when I get off work...

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Re: The effects on the enviornment from modern Agriculture [Re: Deekay]
    #14520397 - 05/27/11 01:48 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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I love meat too much :drooling:






orly? :eatadick:


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Re: The effects on the enviornment from modern Agriculture [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14520424 - 05/27/11 01:55 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

you should read the book ishmael by daniel quinn.

The story begins with a newspaper ad: "Teacher seeks pupil, must have an earnest desire to save the world. Apply in person." The narrator responds at first with disgust because of the absurdity of "wanting to save the world", but decides to answer the ad out of nostalgia for his adolescence during the 1960s children's revolts. Upon arriving at the address, he finds himself in a room with a gorilla. He notices a sign that reads "With man gone, will there be hope for gorilla?"

To the man's surprise he finds that the gorilla, Ishmael, can communicate telepathically. At first baffled by this, the man learns the story of how the gorilla came to be this way and he accepts Ishmael as his teacher. The novel continues from this point as a Socratic dialogue between Ishmael and his student as they hash out what Ishmael refers to as "how things came to be this way" for mankind.

Ishmael's life, which began in the African wilderness, was spent mostly in a zoo and a menagerie, and since had been spent in the gazebo of a man that extricated him from physical captivity. He tells his student that it was at the menagerie that he learned about human language and culture and began to think about things that he never would have pondered in the wild. Subsequently, Ishmael tells his student that the subject for this learning experience will be captivity, primarily the captivity of man under a distorted civilizational system. The narrator has a vague notion that he is living in some sort of captivity and being lied to in some way but he can not explain his feelings.

Ishmael uses the example of Nazi Germany to show that men are either held captive with the mythology of being superior, or "an animal swept up in the stampede" of the captivity of those around them.

Before proceeding Ishmael lays some ground definitions for his student. He defines:
Takers as people often referred to as "civilized." Particularly, the culture born in an Agricultural Revolution that began about 10,000 years ago in the Near East; the culture of Ishmael's pupil.
Leavers as people of all other cultures; sometimes referred to as "primitive."

A story as an interrelation between the gods, man, and the earth, with a beginning, middle, and end.
To enact is to strive to make a story come true.
we are the takers and we are destined to fail.
A culture as a people who are enacting a story.


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Re: The effects on the enviornment from modern Agriculture [Re: Olympus Mons]
    #14522944 - 05/27/11 09:34 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Sounds pretty interesting. Will have to add it to my list things to pick up.

But are we seriously going to continue to use our lands and resources to the brink?
Why just not face the reality of the situation and take a step back until we develop
new and better way in which to grow and distribute food!?


The logic of the world is puzzling.


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Re: The effects on the enviornment from modern Agriculture [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14523469 - 05/27/11 11:02 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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DeadHearts said:
Sounds pretty interesting. Will have to add it to my list things to pick up.

But are we seriously going to continue to use our lands and resources to the brink? yes


Why just not face the reality of the situation and take a step back until we develop
new and better way in which to grow and distribute food!? That costs money and takes convincing of people who will resist anything and everything
Like I said before, everyone wants change but they dont want to lose their change to make change. They're quite happy to sit around and passivly watch as everyone else does it but ask them to help and they will just bitch and moan.


The logic of the world is puzzling.




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Re: The effects on the enviornment from modern Agriculture [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14523510 - 05/27/11 11:11 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

when the price of gasoline goes up it will send food prices skyrocketing, and small organic farms/local markets will be able to compete with the prices of factory farms that rely on gasoline for fertilizers, pesticides, planting, harvesting, and shipping.

It's unfortunate, but I don't think that much will change until high gas prices force people to look for cheaper alternatives.


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    #14524083 - 05/28/11 01:06 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: The effects on the enviornment from modern Agriculture [Re: scruffymafia]
    #14524853 - 05/28/11 05:04 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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we need to limit, control, and eliminate these people if we are ever to survive..




Mother nature is acting as a pretty good population cap atm. As grim as it sounds.


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Re: The effects on the enviornment from modern Agriculture [Re: scruffymafia]
    #14524870 - 05/28/11 05:16 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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The major problem with the situation that we are in today, is that there is far, far too many humans on this planet, it doesn't matter how sustainable we make every aspect of industry and agriculture, at the end of the day the human population is exploding, and sooner or later we are going to be right back in this same situation, practically. Pollution is only a symptom of the problem; we are trying to feed, clothe and gadgetize far too many people, far too many..

Intensive farming and crude industry practices are only functions of a burgeoning and suicidally selfish population.. Say we do magically somehow actually reduce resource consumption by 50% through whatever means, what ya gonna do in 30 years when the population is at ca. 13,000,000,000? Or in 60 years when the population is at ca. 27,000,000,000? I tell you what ya gonna do, nothing, as the world will be near fucked by then, with every natural resource exploited to collapse, there will be nothing you could ever do to save anything.

The only solution is population control, there is absolutely no other way you can solve this problem. Luckily, we are at a critical point where we can save ourselves and the planet, but unfortunately the public and politicians focus on mindlessly on socialist, pseudo-humanitarian, and tall-poppy agendas that offer to destroy everything; unfortunately the average human is inherently blinded by greed and emotion. We must restore order, we must cut the population to ca. 2,000,000,000, we must only let the deserving reproduce.. We are currently swamped by masses of unproductive wasted beings, soaking up precious space and resources; we need to limit, control, and eliminate these people if we are ever to survive.. I can gladly say that hope is currently being forged behind closed doors, just its success is uncertain, only time shall tell..



Damn good post.


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Re: The effects on the enviornment from modern Agriculture [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14525322 - 05/28/11 10:04 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Agriculture is a major consumer of land, water, and energy.





which means what exactly?

are you saying that when an animal drinks water that the water is no longer
available on this planet, that it's gone forever?

news flash, there's more water on the earth now than there was 2 million
years ago, the land, it's not going anywhere either


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Re: The effects on the enviornment from modern Agriculture [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14525359 - 05/28/11 10:26 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Quote:

DeadHearts said:
Agriculture is a major consumer of land, water, and energy.





which means what exactly?

are you saying that when an animal drinks water that the water is no longer
available on this planet, that it's gone forever?

news flash, there's more water on the earth now than there was 2 million
years ago, the land, it's not going anywhere either





Explain this then!

What will we do when all the water is gone?

:maximumtrolling:


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Re: The effects on the enviornment from modern Agriculture [Re: mrckb]
    #14525365 - 05/28/11 10:30 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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mrckb said:
What will we do when all the water is gone?






drink cokes


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Re: The effects on the enviornment from modern Agriculture [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14525393 - 05/28/11 10:40 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

The first paragraph is copypasta from Veganoutreach.org, so asking him about what he was trying to say isn't exactly correct.


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Re: The effects on the enviornment from modern Agriculture [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #14525407 - 05/28/11 10:46 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I remember the argument about water usage from several vegan/omnivore discussions previously


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