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OfflineJackal
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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: trendal]
    #1441698 - 04/09/03 04:12 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

OK there are laws in countries that permit most of the crap on the net. But you have to admit that some of the material has absolutely no positive aspects. I know by our very nature, Human-Beings are curious when it comes to looking at gross material (who hasn't slowed down to look at a car accident). But take the following hypothetical situations, which with the current state of affairs are a possibility:

Hypothetical Situation 1:
Some sicko is arrested for taking pictures of children at the public swimming pool. You get a knock on the door from the police telling you that the sicko was from your area and that your daughter has been downloaded more times than the Olsen Twins.

Hypothetical Situation 2:
Like almost every teenager on Earth your 15yo best friend/brother/sister/son daughter is 'depressed'. Staying up late on their computer most nights they start looking for information on suicide. Unsurprisingly theres over 3 million hits on Google. Next morning - dead.

Now before you flame me, I know that these are extreme examples. I agree with most of you that it shouldn't be policed but with the amount of crap on the net, can we trust people to be responsible enough to avoid it.

Anymore thoughts? I'm just playing the Devils Advocate. :wink:


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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: Jackal]
    #1445507 - 04/10/03 03:10 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

This reminds me of the good ol' christians forcing censorship on radio long long ago because i guess no one told them they can CHANGE THE STATION.

Dont give me what about the kids, WATCH THEM THATS YOUR JOB AS A PARENT, NOT MINE! I'll watch my kids when I have them, if theres something i dont want them listening/watching/seeing I WONT LET THEM.

Do your job as a parent instead of trying to parent everyone else.

Some sicko is arrested for taking pictures of children at the public swimming pool. You get a knock on the door from the police telling you that the sicko was from your area and that your daughter has been downloaded more times than the Olsen Twins.

What makes looking at a picture of anyone no matter the age in a swimsuit on the internet any different the ppl that are sitting at the public pool that for some reason your not at.

Why weret you at the pool watching your son/daughter and making sure the ppl around her were the type of ppl you would want around? Someone new at the pool, go over talk to them find out what their about, ask the other ppl at the pool if theyve ever seen him before, if not call the police thats what they get paid for.


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Like almost every teenager on Earth your 15yo best friend/brother/sister/son daughter is 'depressed'.

and your so far out of your kids life you dont notice? or is it your too busy never being home?

Staying up late on their computer most nights they start looking for information on suicide.

again, leaving your child un-supervised, big suprise, but watching your 100% of the time is impossible,

whos to say that even without the internet they were listening to the radio, lets say they play your son/daughters ex-"relationship song"?

Unsurprisingly theres over 3 million hits on Google.

you fail to mention what you searched for and how many of those are support sites and anti-suicide sites... infact if you search for pro-suicide sites you only come up with ~400,000 (still a lot, but no where near 3mil) and still a lot arent site encuriging suicide they are encurigng assisted suicide/euthinasia for the ppl who are in much pain, and either cant do it themselves or are physicly unable to do it

Next morning - dead.

Nothing to argue except that if you had spent more time with your troubled teen you should have known, it seems pretty obvious to me that there is a depression stage, and i bet if you ask just about anyone they will agree to this, yet when you have a kid you somehow forget about watching for it?

(it might be a good idea to goto a mall one day and just for grins take a notbook and ask "do you think their is a point in gorwing up where one hits a 'depression stage' that sets in at no particular age", id be interested in the resualts)

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Why is it the ppl that DONT have kids know what to do to keep the kids they dont have safe? Unfortunaly i think i know what it is; parents want to be their kids 'friend', heres an idea, maybe YOUR NOT THEIR FRIEND YOUR THEIR PARENT, THE PERSON THAT IS THERE TO RAISE THEM, TO CARE FOR THEM, TO PROTECT THEM FROM THINGS YOU DONT DEEM APPORPRIATE and instead of YOU being the 'badguy' you try to make it seem EVERYONE else is the bad guy.


Please note that the YOU is not actually refering to the poster, or anyone else in particular. Im mostly sure i dont even need to put that put that but what the hell, im sure someone will thnink that i was trying to single them out.


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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: windex]
    #1445536 - 04/10/03 03:24 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe complete freedom should be alowed on the Internet, but with liabilities.

If someone wants to run a site with "offensive" material, they should be liable for any damages that occur as a result of the site.

Kid reads a site about committing suicide and does so, site gets in trouble.


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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: trendal]
    #1445579 - 04/10/03 03:59 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

By your logic the shroomery should now be shut down... honestly need i bring up ripper? hell, i found out about it going through news sites, one article listed the shroomery by name.

Again: your argument pushes of the parent responsibilty for their children on someone else.


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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: windex]
    #1445589 - 04/10/03 04:03 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Have you ever thought that constant supervision of children might be do them more harm than good?


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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: Jackal]
    #1445621 - 04/10/03 04:24 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Elaboarte.

Constantly having some kind of supervision on your pre-teen, not bad.

Constanlty watching your teen, prolly not gonna end up well, more then likly they will feel smotherd by you and want to pull away even more. That dosnt mean you shouldnt find out what going on in their life, where they are going, what exactly will be going on.

This of course is assuming you can actually TRUST your child based on HOW YOU taught your child throughout its life, if youve failed to teach you kid its wrong to steal/murder/rape/bleh. Of course, I belive that there is no reason for a person to ever think about thier actions and decide to do one of the above. Again the problem: They were never taught to think about their actions.

This is what I mean in the previous threads by supervision


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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: windex]
    #1446076 - 04/10/03 11:32 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

No I would say the Shroomery wasn't liable in that case.

I'm talking about extreme examples. Sites that actually say committing suicide would be a good idea. Shit like that.


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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: trendal]
    #1446312 - 04/10/03 01:22 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

NO THE INTERNET SHOULD NOT BE POLICED!


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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1446325 - 04/10/03 01:29 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

we need better ways of keeping adult/graphic material from young children.

im not worried about things like softcore porn or even harder stuff. its shit like gore/poopsex and all that weird fucking shit thats out there.

11 yr olds dont need to see diseased vaginas and people with their heads ripped a part and black dudes with enormous penises assfucking little white girls.

i think thats something we can all agree on.


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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: ]
    #1448015 - 04/10/03 10:26 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I think the longterm affects of a free internet will take time to manifest, just as its taken awhile for the affects of free commercial television. Will it be good or will it be bad? Probably mixed.




I don't think it should be controlled by law. Thats because I believe in democracy and the requirement of free exchange of knowledge. I think you can restrict children from the internet fairly. I mean yeah it sucks, but eventually they will have access and whatever wrongs can be undone. I'd say children shouldn't be exposed to commercials either though so yeah see how much good having an opinion is.


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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: djfrog]
    #1449207 - 04/11/03 11:16 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

No way.


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    #1449595 - 04/11/03 02:04 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

my sentiments exactly.


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