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 Should The Internet Be Policed? 
#1341658 - 02/27/03 09:09 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Let's face it, no matter how Liberal you are, there are sites on the Internet that will upset/offend you.
I consider myself easy going, but reading a recent article on suicide sites really got to me. Sites which encourage people to take their own lives are nothing but negative. Also sites which depict indecent/illegal pornography, gross images of death and other generally negative material. I think we could get by without this kind of material.
Obviousley this has to be looked at carefully; defining what is acceptable and what is not is probably the first step. Then there are International laws - pornographic images of young teens is acceptable in some Countries. How would the culprits be tracked down and punished? Also we don't want overkill - if the Internet was policed then a line would have to be drawn, this just goes back to defining what is acceptable!
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for free-speech and expression. But there are sick minds out there who produce sites available to all (including children). I for one don't want my children stumbling across pictures of mutilated bodies. The Human Race could get by fine without this shit!
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 Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: Jackal]
#1341799 - 02/28/03 12:43 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: Jackal]
#1341825 - 02/28/03 01:16 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Its not only the last free form of media, but depending on who you ask, its an art form.
Web designs are generally artists by trade. If you ban someones "art" you're looking at banning alot of left wing folks.
I don't think it should be policed, but it will sooner or later. 
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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: Jackal]
#1342361 - 02/28/03 06:57 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: Jackal]
#1342966 - 02/28/03 11:51 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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I ran across images of dead bodies when I was 12, I've seen plenty of porn, both standard and midget at a very young age. I came out perfectly fine. I'm not morally or socially deviant. Also, you don't realize that kids all over the world see dead bodies in real life. We Americans are just extremely sheltered to the point of wanting to be in denial of real things that exist out there. I say freedom of expression and freedom of speech are more important than almost anything else. I'm Jewish, but I would not even deny a Neo Nazi the right to have his own website as long as he didn't act on any of his hateful ideas.
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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: Jackal]
#1343046 - 02/28/03 12:18 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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I feel no it should not at all.........i think the 'filters' work fine if you have kids you're protecting.........but still, yet, it all comes down to(for the most part)how you raise your kids(environment/teachings)....if they are taught what is truly right and wrong, and have morals then they wont be where they shouldnt be(web wise and in life)...either way, some people are just twisted to begin with....certainly cant blame that on the internet and thus be policing it........
we all need to charish and protect our last form of 'free worldwide media'
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 Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: Jackal]
#1344051 - 02/28/03 09:23 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Seeing how technology is the most important means of increasing economic growth, no fucking way. To limit one's technological growth is devastating. Computer science and communication advancement is the most important achievements we are making. Shrink the world down to a controllable size through the information highway. Capitalism flourishes with the open market and computer/communications technology will do the same.
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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: CuriousByN8ure]
#1426741 - 04/03/03 04:07 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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"Seeing how technology is the most important means of increasing economic growth, no fucking way. To limit one's technological growth is devastating."
Yeah, shutting down child porn and gratuitous images of death would be a real damper on the economy. *rolls eyes*
Also, just because someone has seen everything at a young age and "turned out fine" doesn't mean that it's something that should happen. Consider: there have been people who have survived falls at terminal velocity. Does that mean that you should jump out of a plane without a parachute? No.
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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: Jackal]
#1428987 - 04/04/03 02:00 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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But there are sick minds out there who produce sites available to all (including children).
I hear this a lot from parents that don't want their children exposed to the horrors that can be found on the internet. I don't have children and it is not my job to protect other people's children. Parents need to take the time to raise their children instead of turning them into zombies with TV, video games, and the internet.
I read a good sig line once... something close to: The internet treats censorship like damage and simply routes around it.
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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: Seuss]
#1429322 - 04/04/03 04:06 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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There will always be viewpoints that turn your stomach to support, but lets face it when you allow these sites to be attacked how far down the road are the sites that you feel there is nothing wrong with. There is always someone more conservative than you trying to weaken our first amendment rights. We must support all the sites you spoke of to protect the rights for everyone.
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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: ben657681]
#1429496 - 04/04/03 04:52 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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well your ideas of "negative" sites that should be closed aren't really open-minded. the shroomery is probably a negative site to many people. some people like looking at dead bodies (not me) and just because it doesn't appeal to you, doesn't mean it should be shut down. the internet is a great thing. it has everything you could ever possibly want despite the negatives. it has information that every type of person enjoys. honestly, I don't think it could ever be policed. I'm sure an "undernet" would form.
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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: aYs]
#1429502 - 04/04/03 04:55 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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if you think about it, the internet isn't really anything... it's a bunch of computers connected together. there isn't a main database or control system for it. it's really interesting if you think about it. how it can all come together like this.
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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: aYs]
#1431564 - 04/05/03 02:15 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: Jackal]
#1431593 - 04/05/03 02:40 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think the line should be drawn (as with anything) at the point where someone is either hurt by an internet site, or has their rights infringed by an internet site. Know what I mean?
I have a lot against "shock sites" like ones that show dead people and stuff like that.
BUT, does the mere existence of these sites hurt me or interfere with my life in any way? Not that I know of.
Being offended my something/someone is not the same as being hurt. I could say that babies offend me, but that doesn't mean we should get rid of them 
However. If a site does something to hurt someone, directly or indirectly, it should be taken down.
Sites condoning or encouraging suicide are just plain stupid. They should be illegal. You never know who might look at them and what state of mind that person might be in.
Natural Law man, it's the way to go.
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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: trendal]
#1432608 - 04/05/03 10:32 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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The internet is a network between people. What gives the gov't the right to intervene in this network? What gives them the right to make laws and enforce them? Sure, there are those few illegal kiddy porn sites, but even though this is a network between people, those people still fall under the laws of the US, as long as they live in the US, and they are prosecuted. Sites on the internet are free will. If you go there, and do something stupid, it shouldn't be anyone else's fault but your own. The reason they want laws is because they want as much control over communication as possible. Anyone read up on the bills introduced into congress to ban all encryption and set computer development back a decade? I'll post a link on that if I find it.
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#1433619 - 04/06/03 02:18 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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One of the most compelling arguments I have heard about the legalisation of drugs can also be applied to the "Should the internet be policed?" debate. That argument is: "If we aren't mature/intelligent/reponsible enough to deal with this stuff, then who is?".
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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: aYs]
#1437723 - 04/07/03 09:51 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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honestly, I don't think it could ever be policed. I'm sure an "undernet" would form.
Not only that, the internet would be connected to that "undernet". It is already in development, called FreeNet.
The only way to police the internet is through some kind of massive worldwide dictatorship controlling all content and activity.
Swallow your ego and let the internet evolve. 
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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: SBTlauien]
#1441033 - 04/08/03 10:15 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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You gotta remember, the internet is just that, a public network. No one is asking you to partake in this network. You are not being forced to load up that hot little 12yr on your screen.
Some countries are into that stuff, and I doubt they're about to listen what US citizens want. If you want policing, do it on your end.
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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: trendal]
#1441698 - 04/09/03 02:12 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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OK there are laws in countries that permit most of the crap on the net. But you have to admit that some of the material has absolutely no positive aspects. I know by our very nature, Human-Beings are curious when it comes to looking at gross material (who hasn't slowed down to look at a car accident). But take the following hypothetical situations, which with the current state of affairs are a possibility:
Hypothetical Situation 1:
Some sicko is arrested for taking pictures of children at the public swimming pool. You get a knock on the door from the police telling you that the sicko was from your area and that your daughter has been downloaded more times than the Olsen Twins.
Hypothetical Situation 2:
Like almost every teenager on Earth your 15yo best friend/brother/sister/son daughter is 'depressed'. Staying up late on their computer most nights they start looking for information on suicide. Unsurprisingly theres over 3 million hits on Google. Next morning - dead.
Now before you flame me, I know that these are extreme examples. I agree with most of you that it shouldn't be policed but with the amount of crap on the net, can we trust people to be responsible enough to avoid it.
Anymore thoughts? I'm just playing the Devils Advocate. 
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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: Jackal]
#1445507 - 04/10/03 01:10 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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This reminds me of the good ol' christians forcing censorship on radio long long ago because i guess no one told them they can CHANGE THE STATION.
Dont give me what about the kids, WATCH THEM THATS YOUR JOB AS A PARENT, NOT MINE! I'll watch my kids when I have them, if theres something i dont want them listening/watching/seeing I WONT LET THEM.
Do your job as a parent instead of trying to parent everyone else.
Some sicko is arrested for taking pictures of children at the public swimming pool. You get a knock on the door from the police telling you that the sicko was from your area and that your daughter has been downloaded more times than the Olsen Twins.
What makes looking at a picture of anyone no matter the age in a swimsuit on the internet any different the ppl that are sitting at the public pool that for some reason your not at.
Why weret you at the pool watching your son/daughter and making sure the ppl around her were the type of ppl you would want around? Someone new at the pool, go over talk to them find out what their about, ask the other ppl at the pool if theyve ever seen him before, if not call the police thats what they get paid for.
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Like almost every teenager on Earth your 15yo best friend/brother/sister/son daughter is 'depressed'.
and your so far out of your kids life you dont notice? or is it your too busy never being home?
Staying up late on their computer most nights they start looking for information on suicide.
again, leaving your child un-supervised, big suprise, but watching your 100% of the time is impossible,
whos to say that even without the internet they were listening to the radio, lets say they play your son/daughters ex-"relationship song"?
Unsurprisingly theres over 3 million hits on Google.
you fail to mention what you searched for and how many of those are support sites and anti-suicide sites... infact if you search for pro-suicide sites you only come up with ~400,000 (still a lot, but no where near 3mil) and still a lot arent site encuriging suicide they are encurigng assisted suicide/euthinasia for the ppl who are in much pain, and either cant do it themselves or are physicly unable to do it
Next morning - dead.
Nothing to argue except that if you had spent more time with your troubled teen you should have known, it seems pretty obvious to me that there is a depression stage, and i bet if you ask just about anyone they will agree to this, yet when you have a kid you somehow forget about watching for it?
(it might be a good idea to goto a mall one day and just for grins take a notbook and ask "do you think their is a point in gorwing up where one hits a 'depression stage' that sets in at no particular age", id be interested in the resualts)
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Why is it the ppl that DONT have kids know what to do to keep the kids they dont have safe? Unfortunaly i think i know what it is; parents want to be their kids 'friend', heres an idea, maybe YOUR NOT THEIR FRIEND YOUR THEIR PARENT, THE PERSON THAT IS THERE TO RAISE THEM, TO CARE FOR THEM, TO PROTECT THEM FROM THINGS YOU DONT DEEM APPORPRIATE and instead of YOU being the 'badguy' you try to make it seem EVERYONE else is the bad guy.
Please note that the YOU is not actually refering to the poster, or anyone else in particular. Im mostly sure i dont even need to put that put that but what the hell, im sure someone will thnink that i was trying to single them out.
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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: windex]
#1445536 - 04/10/03 01:24 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Maybe complete freedom should be alowed on the Internet, but with liabilities.
If someone wants to run a site with "offensive" material, they should be liable for any damages that occur as a result of the site.
Kid reads a site about committing suicide and does so, site gets in trouble.
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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: trendal]
#1445579 - 04/10/03 01:59 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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By your logic the shroomery should now be shut down... honestly need i bring up ripper? hell, i found out about it going through news sites, one article listed the shroomery by name.
Again: your argument pushes of the parent responsibilty for their children on someone else.
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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: windex]
#1445589 - 04/10/03 02:03 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Have you ever thought that constant supervision of children might be do them more harm than good?
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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: Jackal]
#1445621 - 04/10/03 02:24 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Elaboarte.
Constantly having some kind of supervision on your pre-teen, not bad.
Constanlty watching your teen, prolly not gonna end up well, more then likly they will feel smotherd by you and want to pull away even more. That dosnt mean you shouldnt find out what going on in their life, where they are going, what exactly will be going on.
This of course is assuming you can actually TRUST your child based on HOW YOU taught your child throughout its life, if youve failed to teach you kid its wrong to steal/murder/rape/bleh. Of course, I belive that there is no reason for a person to ever think about thier actions and decide to do one of the above. Again the problem: They were never taught to think about their actions.
This is what I mean in the previous threads by supervision
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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: windex]
#1446076 - 04/10/03 09:32 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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No I would say the Shroomery wasn't liable in that case.
I'm talking about extreme examples. Sites that actually say committing suicide would be a good idea. Shit like that.
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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: trendal]
#1446312 - 04/10/03 11:22 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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NO THE INTERNET SHOULD NOT BE POLICED!
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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: Strumpling]
#1446325 - 04/10/03 11:29 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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we need better ways of keeping adult/graphic material from young children.
im not worried about things like softcore porn or even harder stuff. its shit like gore/poopsex and all that weird fucking shit thats out there.
11 yr olds dont need to see diseased vaginas and people with their heads ripped a part and black dudes with enormous penises assfucking little white girls.
i think thats something we can all agree on.
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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: ]
#1448015 - 04/10/03 08:26 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think the longterm affects of a free internet will take time to manifest, just as its taken awhile for the affects of free commercial television. Will it be good or will it be bad? Probably mixed.
I don't think it should be controlled by law. Thats because I believe in democracy and the requirement of free exchange of knowledge. I think you can restrict children from the internet fairly. I mean yeah it sucks, but eventually they will have access and whatever wrongs can be undone. I'd say children shouldn't be exposed to commercials either though so yeah see how much good having an opinion is.
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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: djfrog]
#1449207 - 04/11/03 09:16 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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No way.
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Re: Should The Internet Be Policed? [Re: ]
#1449595 - 04/11/03 12:04 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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my sentiments exactly.
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