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 We are all using alien technology! 
#1563584 - 05/20/03 05:19 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wonder if anybody on this board can explain to me how a circuit board w/ signals can be converted into a picture on a screen. i know simple C++ programming so what is that based on? binary? what is binary based on?
It doesn't seem like humans are intelligent enough to make computers themselves (without the help of extra-terrestrials) but i'm probably just REALLY ignorant of the subject.
care to enlighten me?
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 Re: We are all using alien technology! [Re: mantis]
#1563722 - 05/20/03 06:17 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Some say that fiber-optics and nightvision came from alien tek.
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 Re: We are all using alien technology! [Re: mantis]
#1564003 - 05/20/03 08:15 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know for a fact that the anti-gravity drives in our ultra-secret war planes, that we test over Dreamland, were based on alien technology that crashed at Roswell, NM, in 1947, and was then secretly relocated to Area 51 in the mid-50s.
I hope that helps...
I can't say anymore, but rumor has it that Shroomism knows more...
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Re: We are all using alien technology! [Re: ]
#1564282 - 05/20/03 09:51 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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i think human life came from alien tech
that would explain why we're so much more destructive and "advanced" than the rest of the animal kingdom
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Re: We are all using alien technology! [Re: mantis]
#1564777 - 05/21/03 12:26 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Take some electronics engineering classes, its all explained. In detail. Who invented what and in what order, all the steps mankind has taken to develop circuitry technology. Or do you think each little step was fed to us by aliens? Sounds like bullshit to me.
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#1564825 - 05/21/03 12:47 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey, it's all in that so called "junk" DNA. I've been studying it over the past several years, and I've learned some things. Unfortunately, I can't tell you about it because I'm being watched... 
Oops! Gotta go! 
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#1564964 - 05/21/03 02:30 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I believe the transistor was invented by a man named William Shockley at Stanford University, Palo Alto, California, and/or Bell Labs (I'm not sure), in the late 1940s.
Of course the Cathode Ray Tube (CRT) was invented by Philo T. Farnsworth, an Idaho farm boy, in San Francisco, California in the late 1920's.
However, I like to think that both of these people were aliens...
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Re: We are all using alien technology! [Re: mantis]
#1565025 - 05/21/03 04:02 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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we're not using alien technology man. that's ridiculous. in fact, technology CREATED aliens. before technology, we called them ghosts or angels or elves, now we call them aliens because THEY exist at the boundries of human thought and are forever being pushed outward by OUR THOUGHTS, we see THEM through our current thought paradigm.. but their true nature can't be known. we've only scratched the surface. oh man. I've already said too much.
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Re: We are all using alien technology! [Re: infidelGOD]
#1565077 - 05/21/03 05:47 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I feel what you're saying, but on another note..
Remember that for aliens to have given us this technology THEY would have needed to invent it first.
This is what's so interesting about creativity. I don't think anyone actually understands the creative process. It is "a leap across a chasm not bridgeable by reason"..
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Re: We are all using alien technology! [Re: mantis]
#1565139 - 05/21/03 07:21 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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It has been a while since my digital design classes, but I have built a computer from the transistor level up and I am fairly certain there is no alien technology involved.
A computer is a collection of switches that are either on or off. On is one, five volts (for example), and off is zero, or zero volts.
These switches can be combined to form logic gates. The three important ones are AND, OR, and NOT. Actually, AND and NOT are usually done with a single NAND gate... if you want a NOT, you just tie the two inputs together.
The simple logic gates above can be combined to form more complex logic such as XOR.
They can also be combined to create more complex components such as ADDERS and MULTIPLEXERS and LATCHES and FLIP-FLOPS, etc.
A latch for example, holds onto a value. If you combine 32 latches and tie their control lines together, you get a 32-bit REGISTER.... which can hold a 32-bit number. The number is stored base-2, or binary. It is trivial math to convert from base-2 to base-10 which is what we are used to working with. (101b=5d 1*2^2+0*2^1+1)
A CPU in a computer combines lots and lots of the above to function in the von-neumon model. The model says you have a CPU which does something and memory which stores something. The CPU takes something from memory, operates on it, and puts it back into memory.
The main stages in a CPU are as follows... from memory so may be off a bit:
1) fetch/decode instruction
2) fetch from memory / prepare registers
3) alu (arithmetic logic unit, does the operation from 1 on the values from 2)
4) memory write back (put the value from 3 back to memory or register)
5) loop back to 1
Things get kind of nasty when you start adding in interrupts, pipelines, prefetch queues, cache memory, etc...
It is a pain to work with transistors at this level. Instead, we use a language such as VHDL to express what we want to occur. The VHDL compiler will generate the transistor level layout based on the technology (mosis standard cell, etc) that you wish to use. The programs that do this are usually very expensive. I worked with mentor graphics which ran around $800,000 at the time.
I simplified things... it would take two or three grad level EE classes to explain how things worked, but it is all very forward and logical... there is no voodoo or magic involved.
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Re: We are all using alien technology! [Re: Seuss]
#1565158 - 05/21/03 07:49 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not at all impressed with modern technology and i dont think for a second that anything we have is based on alien technology. Imagine the quantum leap in technology that we would make if we in-fact had a spaceship to examine. Dont give me the "compatibility" bs as even if our techs where to be totally incompatible human kind would still benefit enormously just by looking at alien schematics and designs. What about the UFO:S cpu? surely it wouldn't be a problem adapting it to human technology as chases are it would still be based on binary code and run on electricity.
Physics is physics where ever you go.
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Re: We are all using alien technology! [Re: Scarfmeister]
#1566567 - 05/21/03 04:20 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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human kind would still benefit enormously just by looking at alien schematics and designs.
I always liked the book the sphere (never saw the movie) as an illustration of just how alien any non-human technology could be. Even if we had an alien spaceship to study, how much could we really learn from it? If I gave a computer to Newton, do you think he would have figured out what it was or how to use it or gotten anything useful from it at all? Even the instruction book would be useless.
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as cha[n]ses are it would still be based on binary code and run on electricity.
We are just starting to figure out ways to lay optical traces on circuit boards and within VLSI designs. We are also just starting to figure out how to make optical transistors and use quantum effects in computing machines. There is also tristate logic, which is not based in binary, which is being looked into. Even assuming that logic gates would be used is a large assumption.
There is another class of computing machines called Turing Machines. These do not follow the von-neuman model of fetch-computer-place, but work more like the human brain. They do not have binary codes, logic gates, or anything else that is associated with a modern desktop computer.
There has also been a lot of research lately with dna computers, quantum computers, optical computers, etc...
The concept of the modern computer is only about 60 years old. If we don't destroy ourselves before then, think what another couple of hundred years will bring to computing... and physics for that matter...
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Re: We are all using alien technology! [Re: Seuss]
#1567541 - 05/21/03 09:48 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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great posts everyone, thanks!
especially Seuss... very helpful
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Re: We are all using alien technology! [Re: mantis]
#1567592 - 05/21/03 10:05 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I probably wasn't very helpful, but I was surprised by the depth of Suess' knowledge in electronics and boolean logic. Very cool! 
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Re: We are all using alien technology! [Re: mantis]
#1568817 - 05/22/03 09:54 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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We are all using alien technology!
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Seuss.
Of course any alien technology would be extremely difficulty to comprehend. But we humans are at this point in time pretty advanced. Newton didn't even have basic knowledge of computers, we do. We understand the basics of future technologies, we could probably map any alien device down to its atoms.
Most people are under the assumption that alien tech will be extremely obtuse and non user friendly. Dont you think aliens appreciate ergonomics and ease of use?
I believe that whatever advances they have made are eons more powerful than what we have but also much simpler in design. Brilliant and groundbreaking but not beyond our grasp.
If there is an alien computer on-board that is not physically linked to the aliens we will have no problems at least getting it to run.
Obviously I'm not accounting for psi operated or neurally linked computer systems but you get the idea.
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Re: We are all using alien technology! [Re: Scarfmeister]
#1572418 - 05/23/03 02:32 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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But we humans are at this point in time pretty advanced.
Advanced compared to what... humans a few hundred years ago? We have been in space for forty years, give or take. We have not yet been able to visit another planet. We have almost no understanding of quantum mechanics.
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We understand the basics of future technologies, we could probably map any alien device down to its atoms.
How can anybody know if we understand the basics of future technologies? They haven't been invented, so how can we possibly know anything about them? You are assuming that an alien device works using atoms... lets say you open up a zeta-talkie that uses entangled photons to transmit data... where do you begin to try and understand what is going on? For that matter, what is data to an alien race? Our minds have a difficult time grasping the concept of anything outside of three dimensions... what if aliens are operating/thinking in nine or ten of them instead of just three or four?
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Most people are under the assumption that alien tech will be extremely obtuse and non user friendly. Dont you think aliens appreciate ergonomics and ease of use?
And if the alien exists as energy instead of matter... or as dark matter which is thought to compose the vast majority of the universe... or if they are microscopic, etc... sure their technology will be ergonomic for them, but why would that have anything to do with us? If I put a dolphin in a nice, simple, ergonomic vw-bug, he still isn't going to have a clue what is going on.
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I believe that whatever advances they have made are eons more powerful than what we have but also much simpler in design. Brilliant and groundbreaking but not beyond our grasp.
Compare a digital watch to a sundial... technology begets technology.
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If there is an alien computer on-board that is not physically linked to the aliens we will have no problems at least getting it to run.
Assuming that it operates on the general basic physics that we know and trust. If you need some beam-out-thingy at the center of a black hole aimed at the device to power it, then we are no better than newton would have been with a computer.
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Re: We are all using alien technology! [Re: mantis]
#1574148 - 05/24/03 06:24 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wonder if anybody on this board can explain to me how a circuit board w/ signals can be converted into a picture on a screen.
I never did address your actual question.
A computer monitor has a cathode ray tube (CRT) at its heart. This tube is shaped like a funnel. The neck assembly is at the narrow end and the part we watch is at the wide end. Inside the neck assembly there is a wire that is heated up by running electricity through it. When the wire gets hot, it generates free electrons. The area near where the tube widens out is also charged with a high voltage differential. The electrons, having negative charge, are attracked to the positive area that we look at. As the electrons, called an electron beam, travel down the neck assembly and hit the display screen. The display screen is covered with phosphorus which glows when the electron strikes giving us light to see.
There are wire coils around the outside of the neck assembly. When energized, these coils create magnetic fields which bend the electron beam. One set of coils bends the beam left to right, the other up to down. The electron beam is swept left to right starting at the top corner of the display area. It then is dropped down one line and swept again from left to right. This is repeated until the beam gets to the bottom right corner. Once there, the process starts all over again. When you set the frequency of your display, 60 Hz or 75 Hz, etc... you are changing the number of times per second that the entire screen is swept as described above.
Inside the neck assembly are control grids... usually three of them. These grids can be given a negative charge, which will oppose the travel of the electrons. As the electron beam is swept across the screen, the control grids turn on and off very quickly. The more a control grid is on, the less electrons get to the display screen, the less light you see.
All the computer has to do is send out signals timed with the scan frequency to turn on or off the electron beam (via control grids) to create a picture for us to see. The larger the signal from the computer, the fewer electrons can get through the control grid, and the less light you see at that part (pixel) of the screen.
There are a few technical details I am leaving out, such as masks which prevent the electrons in the beam which have spread out from effecting the area around its center... and pigmented phosphorus which gives us colors... but the basics are here.
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