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Re: Desktop Vs Laptop? [Re: Shroomism]
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I guess, also what beats an i7 Possessor is that better then a quad core?
an i see other company's i thought only inter made possessors


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Edited by Sterben (04/25/11 09:51 PM)

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Re: Desktop Vs Laptop? [Re: pwnasaurus]
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pwnasaurus said:
rodfarva said:
The benefit in quality you get in buying a mac amounts to pure luxury. I hate the software, and the UI's on macs but besides that, the negligible hardware 'improvements' you find on mac's are no where near worth the 200% price increase over comparable HP's or DELLs. IMO

:middlefinger:


The quality of a Mac is FAR more than a marginal difference.  It's world's above any cheap POS laptop out there.  There are laptops that are starting to compete with the Apple computers now - HP Envy is an example.  The trackpad on them, however, is utter shit, and the multi touch gestures are infinitely more responsive on a Mac, which is a big deal when you're talking about a mobile computer.

And guess what, they cost almost as much.  $100-200 less for equivalent specs.



I repaired a new HP last night and i agree the track pad is a POS.
Really tho, you're going to be less pissed off about that when you are sitting at school 15 min before class and your macbook can't log into the library's print servers to produce that paper you worked all night on.


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Re: Desktop Vs Laptop? [Re: Sterben]
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If you are looking to get a modern platform with mid-high end gaming performance for a modest price
I would suggest looking at the new P67 series of boards and the intel sandy bridges. (The new 1155 socket i5s/i7s)
The best CPUs out right now cost well in excess of your total budget so you are best sticking with something mid-level.
The P67/i7 platform is probably ideal for you, excellent performance/price ratio. For 1k you could build a very respectable system.

Just as a really basic example... a board like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128477
or even cheaper - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131713

with a CPU like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115073

a decent midrange/high end DX11-capable video card without breaking the bank, something like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130610

slap 4-8GB of DDR3 in there, a decent PSU and a HD or two and you have the barebones of a really good modern gaming machine that will blow away any prebuilt POS


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Re: Desktop Vs Laptop? [Re: Shroomism]
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Laptop if you need it to be portable.
Desktop in any other situation.

Build it yourself.
For 1k you could get a..
cheap quad core or even hexa core AMD cpu (phenom series)
decent USB3/SATA3 motherboard
easy 8gb 1600mhz DDR3 RAM, even 12gb depending on brand
1TB hdd and xfire HD5770's.

I could help you with parts if needed.


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Re: Desktop Vs Laptop? [Re: vulcAn]
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You don't even need 8gb of ram anyways, 6gb would be plenty for 99% of the stuff you will be doing. :smile:
And btw, if you are into gaming it would be a waste of money to get any cpu with more then 4 cores, I dont know of any game that can take advantage of 6 cores anyways.

I just built my comp about 3 months ago, spent 1500 on the damned thing. I'm running a oc'd I7 920, 6gb of 1600mhz ram, a 120gb SSD, 1tb HDD, and an ATI HD6970 video card, I plan to add more in the future, but I figure that its a damned good comp right now. :smile:


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Re: Desktop Vs Laptop? [Re: vulcAn]
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yeah he doesn't need, nor can probably even use 12GB of RAM
most games aren't even at the point where they can fully utilize 4
8 is more than enough for anything now and for the next year at least,
unless you are doing shit like autocad or using specific apps that can even use that much memory you are throwing money away


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Re: Desktop Vs Laptop? [Re: Shroomism]
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Yea my brother just recommended 4gb ram for me, says 6-8 just isn't necessary for video gaming yet


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Re: Desktop Vs Laptop? [Re: PreparationH]
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Ok ok lol 4gb cough 6Gb should be fine. Im having a hell of a time trying to build one of these things DD3, SATA, Serial @_@ im so confused. HEY! who wants to Make me a Shopping Cart List!? lol jk just mother boards ugh this is so confusing i didnt even know there were this many parts!!!
i godda go rip this:bongload:

The source of my frustration!
http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=280&name=Intel-Motherboards&Pagesize=100&Order=RATING


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Edited by Sterben (04/25/11 11:17 PM)

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Re: Desktop Vs Laptop? [Re: Sterben]
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I just made you half of one. you start with the motherboard. that determines your CPU/memory
this is a good cheap sata3 hard drive
here is some good DDR3 memory that is compatible with the mobos I posted
then you need a case to put it in, maybe something like this


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Re: Desktop Vs Laptop? [Re: Sterben]
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Thxs so far everything you've selected for me has been the best ive seen an with in my cash range.


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Re: Desktop Vs Laptop? [Re: Sterben]
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I do it for a living. let me know if you have questions


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Re: Desktop Vs Laptop? [Re: Shroomism]
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A lot of people are saying things how games can't use [insert computer component here] yet and so on, but you need to take something into consideration:
future-proofing.

New games WILL be able to use 6 cores and so on, and I doubt you'll be playing old games for the rest of your life.

Stay away from 'gaming' parts as they are just more expensive because of the branding.

Just built, for $825<...
CPU - AMD Phenom II x6 1055T
MOBO - gigabyte 880 chipset mobo
GPU - EVGA GTX460 1gb version
PSU - corsair TX650w (modular)
RAM - 6gb PNY DDR3 RAM 1600mhz, 3x2gb
CASE - CoolerMaster Elite w/ window (orange bezel)
COOLER - Corsair H70 closed circuit CPU water block.
HDD - WD cav blue 1TB SATA3 drive


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Re: Desktop Vs Laptop? [Re: vulcAn]
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I was taking future proofing into consideration... still say 8gb is more than enough for now and any game in the near or soon to be future. 6GB is more than enough. the 8 was that buffer. I can't think of a single game right now more that uses more than 4. The only reason you would be able to use more is if you do a lot of 3d video rendering/processing and multi-tasking. Also most modern games right now are coded to take advantage of only 1 or 2 cores, there are only a small handful of games out there that can even see any performance increase at all from a quad let along 6 cores. The gaming industry is always about a generation behind the hardware technology it seems. But again, I've seen the tests and 12GB of RAM makes virtually zero difference in all the modern games compared to 6GB. Assuming that's up to par, Your major gaming bottlenecks are going to be the CPU and GPU with the newest games and any in the future. By the time 8GB of RAM becomes the new standard for games, your motherboard/CPU will probably be obsolete anyway. 

(I work tech support for the company that makes your GPU), I talk to people all the time, with 24GB, 12GB, 8GB kits etc.. most people with those 24gb and 12gb kits don't even come close to using all that memory, it's more of an e-peen thing to say hey I have 24/48GB of RAM, very few programs can even utilize it. It's not a bad thing to have too much, but I honestly just don't see the practical use in it. Actually if you start adding kits and have that much memory sometimes it requires them to run at a slower frequency and you have to start dicking with the timings.


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Re: Desktop Vs Laptop? [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said:
If you are looking to get a modern platform with mid-high end gaming performance for a modest price
I would suggest looking at the new P67 series of boards and the intel sandy bridges. (The new 1155 socket i5s/i7s)
The best CPUs out right now cost well in excess of your total budget so you are best sticking with something mid-level.
The P67/i7 platform is probably ideal for you, excellent performance/price ratio. For 1k you could build a very respectable system.

Just as a really basic example... a board like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128477
or even cheaper - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131713

with a CPU like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115073

a decent midrange/high end DX11-capable video card without breaking the bank, something like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130610

slap 4-8GB of DDR3 in there, a decent PSU and a HD or two and you have the barebones of a really good modern gaming machine that will blow away any prebuilt POS


vulcAn said:
A lot of people are saying things how games can't use [insert computer component here] yet and so on, but you need to take something into consideration:
future-proofing.

New games WILL be able to use 6 cores and so on, and I doubt you'll be playing old games for the rest of your life.
Stay away from 'gaming' parts as they are just more expensive because of the branding.

Just built, for $825<...
CPU - AMD Phenom II x6 1055T
MOBO - gigabyte 880 chipset mobo
GPU - EVGA GTX460 1gb version
PSU - corsair TX650w (modular)
RAM - 6gb PNY DDR3 RAM 1600mhz, 3x2gb
CASE - CoolerMaster Elite w/ window (orange bezel)
COOLER - Corsair H70 closed circuit CPU water block.
HDD - WD cav blue 1TB SATA3 drive




With this Setup Will i be able to upgrade it if need be for future use like in 3 years when some intense 3D Virtual Reality, Trillion & 1 are going on flying by battling, mean while all the upgrade cost like two hundred per ram card, An the Freaking thing need like 10
Possessors to Run!!?!?! :awesurprise:  :crazybaby:

Thats how i felt having a Slow computer.

Edited by Sterben (04/26/11 08:58 AM)

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Re: Desktop Vs Laptop? [Re: Sterben]
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my integrated graphics runs SC2

OH YEAH


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Re: Desktop Vs Laptop? [Re: tk3]
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tk3 said:
my integrated graphics runs SC2

OH YEAH


:lol: it must lag in battles - I tried to play a game yesterday with low settings on my late 2008 MBP with a 8600M GT (granted in OS X, which runs games significantly more poorly), and it was going alright until the 200/200 battle.  He stims, I try to FF and..... laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag.  GG.  Pretty awful.

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Re: Desktop Vs Laptop? [Re: Sterben]
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It will be upgradeable, yes. You can always upgrade anything..... that's the beauty of building your own system.


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Re: Desktop Vs Laptop? [Re: Shroomism]
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Because its fucking sexy, An later down the road with my job ill be on the constant move.

Looking to buy one of the two following labtops from NewEgg; just not sure which:

G73JH-BST7 = $1199
G73SW-BST6 = $1299

"BST" indicates a Newegg version of the model (ie. watered down).

I took some time to search the forums on information regarding the G73GH series and the G73JW/G73SW series.

While some of the forum posts I've found on either of the above indicate what may have been issues in the past; I am not sure what issues are still present in the above models currently.

G73JH / G73JH-BST7 issues I've read about:
1) Issues with BIOS and I believe Graphics BIOS? (ie. BSOD/GSOD)
2) Issues with cheap screens (AUO/Haffer(sp?)) (online average resolution indicates its' 1600x900 (no 1080p))
Still not clear on how one can detect which screen is in the NewEgg box without opening it.
3) Noticeable absence in G73JH-BST7 of:
3a) Bluetooth
3b) BD Drive
3c) Secondary HD / Secondary HD bracket for holding HD

4) Primary HD in G73-BST7 is a Serial/SATA hybrid with an unusually low rpm which creates a bootleneck for overall performance.
5) Stock Thermal Paste issues; ineffective thermal paste requiring repasting.

Positive Plus: ATI 5870 GPU (1GB) - average online consensus is that this card performs competitively if not superior to the NVIDIA 460M*.

G73SW-BST6 issues I've read about:
1) Less issues present with BIOS/Graphics BIOS however some issues are still present.
2) Still the issue of cheap screens on G73SW-BST6 (1600x900 is the consensus on the resolution) (AUO/Haffer(sp?)).
Still not clear on how one can detect which screen is in the NewEgg box without opening it.
3) Noticeable absence in G73SW-BST6 of:
3a) Bluetooth
3b) BD Drive
3c) Secondary HD / Secondary HD bracket for holding HD

4) Primary HD in G73-BST7 is a Serial ATA with a 7200 rpm which is better, but unsure if it still creates a bootleneck for overall performance.
5) Less Stock Thermal Paste issues; however, some models are plagued with ineffective thermal paste requiring repasting.

Positive Plus: NVIDIA 460M Graphics card, NewEgg quotes the memory on this card as 1.0 GB; other places for the exact same card quote it as 1.5 GB.
My inference is that this graphics card is in reality 1.0 GB on every NVIDIA 460 M; however with "virtual memory" it can run at 1.5 GB.
However, I've heard that this addition of "virtual memory" is negligible, so some points argue that this card runs in par with the ATI 5870.

ATI 5870 (G73JH-BST7) vs. NVIDIA 460M (G73SW-BST6)
Additionally, the ATI 5870 is noted for having more mature drivers then the NVIDIA 460M, however, the ATI 5870 is noted as having higher temperatures then the NVIDIA 460M.
Given that either labtop does not have 1080p; the first thought that comes to mind is that a lower resolution implies lower demand on the hardware; and that in a lower resolution setting it is not clear which card would perform better (5870 vs 460M); although the 460M cards are on all G73: JW/SW 1080p supported variants.

Question,
Given the "lower resolution setting (ie. non-1080p)" which (5870 or 460M) would perform better in GPU intensive tasks like gaming/emulation?

There is, to my knowledge, no consensus on which card is more compatible with games; however, the 5870 historically performs slightly more efficient on DX 09/10 games and less so on DX 11 games; where the 460M performs better; but since both are labtops it is the consensus that neither one performs superbly in DX 11 games.

My questions,
1) How accurate is all of the above information; as I have pieced this from various forum posts / labtop reviews here and elsewhere. And if I am incorrect; if you could provide what the correct information is.
2) Overall, if one is looking for the most value for their money  which is better G73JH-BST7 vs. G73SW-BST6?
3) I know both are considered "watered down" NewEgg versions, but I wanted to avoid the risk of going over $1500.
That being said, I am aware that there are some G73JH-XXX/G73SW-XXX models which are also watered down, but not sold at the newegg site; are any of these a better value? I've seen some on Buy.com/XOTICPC/Amazon like that. Would you guys suggest any G73JH/G73JW/J73SW as a "better value" than then the Best Buy variants or at least a better "deal"?

Lastly, one plus of buying from "customizable" resellers of the G73JW/G73SW, besides the JH being out of stock, is that these resellers allow you to customize the thermal paste prior to purchase saving the work from being performed by the buyer later.
However, I am not sure how necessary this is, as I have read applying different thermal pastes doesn't really yield much advances in lower temperatures.
And that there is only a need for thermal paste repasting if there is something obviously wrong with your labtop like poor manufacturing.

So, is the need for repasting on the G73JW/G73SW a consequence of "wear and tear?"
On the G73 series labtops is repasting a "norm"?
OR
Does it feel like you "need" to repaste the G73JW/G73SW in order to increase stability?
As if, if you were not to repaste the G73GW/G73SW you would experience poor stability?

Thanks,:mushroom2:


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Edited by Sterben (04/27/11 12:02 PM)

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Re: Desktop Vs Laptop? [Re: Sterben]
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Between those two I would go with the G73SW-BST6 personally. Do you even need Bluetooth? Who uses that anyway
i7-2630QM/8GB DDR3/460m w 1GB memory/750GB 7200RPM HD
vs
i7-740QM/6GB DDR3/Radeon HD 5870 w/ 512mb mem/640GB 5400RPM drive
I'd stay away from the second one personally. You will get far more overall performance out of the G73SW-BST6. That slow drive and card is going to bottleneck that system for sure.

I have no experience with Asus laptops personally but I've heard they are ok.
For laptops, I go Toshiba all the way. Never had a problem with my Toshiba laptops, all super high quality.

From my own observations in benchmarks and tech support for nvidia GPUs, the 460m will probably perform better in most games but especially DX11 games than the 5870.

As far as thermal paste, if you "have" to re-apply thermal paste on a laptop then they did a piss poor job at manufacturing. I've had my gaming laptop 5+ years and I have not once had to reseat the CPU, although I've thought about it. And I've opened it up a few times to clean out all the dust. Over long periods of time and heat the paste can harden so that may be a consideration in the future. But that should NOT be something you should even have to think about on a new purchase of a laptop. Different thermal paste doesn't really effect temperatures that much, unless they used some piss poor paste in the manufacturing process. The only thing thermal paste is going to effect is CPU temperatures. If there is not a good contact with the paste/heatsink then yeah the CPU could overheat and this could degrade performance or damage components due to heat, but this is not a normal thing on a new laptop by any means unless some company has bad quality control.


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