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Re: Sick of mushroom holy man fruitcakes [Re: Dogomush]
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Ok well the only thing I can relate to this is that... Prozac has not been a driving force in the evolution of mankind for thousands of years..

You seem to think that everybody has the same hedonistic view towards usage of Drugs that you do. Not me however..

To me I distinguish Mind Altering Drugs from Entheogens..

Mind Altering Drugs or MAD (lol) are Substances which whilst having some beneficial effects, even some quasi-spiritual effects, have the potential to cause physical harm, have abuse potential, potential for addiction and generally are more often than not Synthetic or Highly refined plant products (eg. Cocaine). The purpose of most Mind Altering Drugs is mostly  to experience a pleasurable state or to interact  in a social environment.. thats being pretty general though.

"Entheogens"  are naturally occuring substances, ie mushrooms, cacti, trees, plants. They have a documented historical  usage amongst native cultures, they have a wide variety of uses, ranging from healing to divination. They are regarded as sacred by native cultures.

Whilst Entheogens have the potential to elicit states of pure exstacy and extremely pleasurable states.. the pleasure in itself is not the sole reason for taking the Entheogen.. The Entheogen user may experience terrifying ordeals that in no way can be described as pleasurable... the substance may make the user incredibly sick and distressed.. most people would not consider this to be a pleasurable experience..but the sickness, the fear, the anxiety is a part of the entheogenic experience, part of the healing aspect of the substances..

What am i saying really?? I am saying that while pleasure is a part of an etheogenic experience. It is not the sole reason for its use.

Mushrooms are beautiful and I just can't bear to see them compared to something so mundane as beer and prozac.

I acknowledge that my argument may be flawed :ooo: 

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Re: Sick of mushroom holy man fruitcakes [Re: prince_toadstool]
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No problem, I'm with you, I'm putting aside the pursuit of truth in favor of the pleasure of sleep. Goodnight to all and to all a good night



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"I hate having to pick between the lesser of two evils. But I'm glad Obama was elected. McCain was another war monger. I'd rather deal with our country going into debt than trying to take on afghanistan...oh wait FUCK!" - Fungus_tao

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Re: Sick of mushroom holy man fruitcakes [Re: AislingGheal]
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...by the way, the only one time i tried prozac...it made me sleeping !

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Re: Sick of mushroom holy man fruitcakes [Re: KOPELANDIAA]
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I fucking love you guys, you guys are great, this thread is great. It's actually really exciting to read down and see all the crazy thoughts people have. It's nuts, mankind is so cool. bFUCKING MUSHRCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!

(howls at the moon)

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Re: Sick of mushroom holy man fruitcakes [Re: Dogomush]
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Im going to reply to this post, before reading any furthur argument.

I rarely use mushrooms recreationally...say twice out of 20+ times ive taken mushrooms...i use fungus for the experience, and insight my own brain picking itself clean can provide. I use fungus to reevaluate my life situation, and wether it is the right one, how i could improve it or change it.

I generally take mushrooms alone, in highdoses...my 7g trip was absolutely agonizing in every sense. Nausea was horrible, muscle pain was so intense i contorted my body in ways unknown previously, What went on in my head was sheer terror...Comming down with a working brain let me evaluate the terror that had happened, and turn it into positive information....This is more or less the basis for a typical trip for me. They are positive in the end, certainly not pleasureable.

I mean, i see where your comming from...i certainly think mushrooms can be used socially, or for having fun, or whatever...its just for me, people who do that are using a sacrament incorrectly, and will not experience what the sacrament has to offer. Mushrooms have been used for thousands of years as a sacrament, other common recreational drugs are not....and thus do not have the same rules which SHOULD be "respected"....


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GO OUTSIDE.

Edited by PDU (04/04/03 06:52 AM)

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Re: Sick of mushroom holy man fruitcakes [Re: Dogomush]
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Enlighten yourself cause you know it all already...... :mad:

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Re: Sick of mushroom holy man fruitcakes [Re: TxTec]
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Masturbation and reading Dostoyevsky are both sources of pleasure (for me, anyway), but this does not mean they are the same thing. They affect the brain in different ways, a person comes away from the experience changed in different ways...

After spanking it, I have relieved sexual tension and can go about my day without thinking about my girlfriend's blowjobs every fifteen seconds. After reading The Idiot, I have been entertained by great storytelling and (if I am aware enough to absorb the meaning of the book) have a somewhat better understanding of human nature.

Beer, for me, is gratification, the loosening of inhibition, partying with friends, maybe some drunken crazy sex. Man I need to masturbate soon.

Weed is a conversational drug for me, deeply listening to some good music, maybe some creative writing. For me, it stimulates thinking and the desire to communicate.

Mushrooms and other entheogens are (again, for me) Illumination. I return to the experience of eating mushrooms because the first time I ate them I felt what it was like to be truly ALIVE. Nothing else had ever given me such direct access to experience before; I had not been aware that I had been walking through a fog almost all of the rest of my days. The experience was transforming. I have only tripped a handful of times, but the experiences have changed the course of my life, eventually leading me to investigate Eastern spiritual practices and waking me up to political and social realities about the world we have created.

Now all these expereinces are pleasurable in some way, but this hardly makes them the SAME. You know what I'm saying? To claim they are the same is to indulge in reductionism, which is like saying 15 dollars and 1500 are the same thing because they both have a lowest common denominator of three. Nonsense.

Again, sorry for farting at you.

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Re: Sick of mushroom holy man fruitcakes [Re: sunyata]
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you're completely forgiven!

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Re: Sick of mushroom holy man fruitcakes [Re: Dogomush]
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All i have to say is that under the influence of mushrooms I have learned things about life which can NEVER be changed. If you think shrooms are just a way to get fucked up, take a high dose in a safe place and please tell me your opinion hasn't changed. I have taken very high doses because of a very strong trust for myself and the mushroom which has been built upon many encounters, most other people would not dare taking 10g dry, or 8g with syrian rue.

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