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OfflineDogomush
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Magic mushrooms inhibit immortality.. something to consider
    #1678183 - 07/01/03 11:44 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

We all know there are very few health risks in taking tryptamines like LSD, mushrooms and DMT, but I've come across some information about some health risks you guys may want to be aware of. Lots of drugs go under the radar of western medicine but the Chinese paradigm has some interesting things to say.

Yin and yang are the two basic forces in the universe according to this paradigm. When they interact they produce qi. Your mind is yang your body is yin, and this animates you... your mind commands your muscles which move around to gather food to power your mind. All the energy you have is qi. qi is also the heat generated from the sun hitting asphault and the sound of splashing waves and blah blah.

So anyway, there are lots of different kinds of qi in the body. the theory of how your body works is that you have primordial qi... the original qi of the body is in limited supply and the more you use up the less long you live. Taoists liked to preserve this qi so that they could live long enough to become realized and then hang around helping other people achieve the same before they go into a trance and merge with the void which is getting off of earth for good.

Lots of Qi Gongs make use of this primordial qi. For example, muscle tendon change qi gong takes the primordial chi from the belly, spreads it to the extremities, builds connective tissue among the muscles and then returns it to the belly.

So anyway, mushrooms, and drugs that expand your mind like they do use up primordial qi to do so. To percieve the huge thought forms of a mushroom trip requires lots of energy from somewhere, and this is where it comes from. Ultimately it will speed the aging process. Sex does this too, as well as holding on to emotions for years and having issues to deal with.

Something to keep in mind. I'm not an expert on this kind of stuff , but if you have any questions then ask em and I'll answer in a few days when I get back from the wilderness.


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Re: Magic mushrooms inhibit immortality.. something to consider [Re: Dogomush]
    #1678340 - 07/02/03 12:53 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Magic mushrooms inhibit immortality - Something to keep in mind.

Apparently everything "inhibits" immortality as no one lives forever.


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Re: Magic mushrooms inhibit immortality.. something to consider [Re: Swami]
    #1678363 - 07/02/03 01:02 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

hey swami, just stop it. you always insert these obnoxious little quips ostensibly to insert some of your salt of the earth pragmatic reasoning, but it really looks needlessly antagonistic.

you _know_ he's talking metaphysics... its not funny!


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Re: Magic mushrooms inhibit immortality.. something to consider [Re: Dogomush]
    #1678407 - 07/02/03 01:17 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I really dont think its that big of a deal, I'd hardly consider it a 'health risk'. Under this assumption one would expect to rarely see on old avid psychadelic user( or sex fiend ) and they are all over the place. It's clearly not the case, there are plenty of old psychadelic users and sex fiends:) all over the world.

And if it is true I'd rather die young and have psychadelic experiences, than live to an old age never having them, or fearfully saving up my 'life force' by denying myself some very good experiences.

Ive read a bit about this stuff and I quickly came to the conclusion that its bunk crap. Thats religious Dogma youre talking about, its a seperatist point of view that is made for believers of it to seperate themselves from the masses by (unfourtunately) denying themselves pleasureful things in life to find inner peace. By fear tactics. It makes them scared to have these potentially great, life changing, possibly beneficial experiences. It also helps them to confirm to themselves that they are being sucessful by seperating themselves as 'people who KNOW and live accordingly' to 'those who have no idea and will die young'. Its fundamentally incorrect and damaging to live your life that way in my eyes...

As an aside though: I have been really thinking about the yin/yang symbol for a while now and something I came to see in it after a lot of thought is, its a puzzle, and maybe someone will agree with this. When your average person first looks at the yin yang they see two things:a light side and a dark side. Constantly in battle, at odds, but at the same time flowing in harmony together. Its all about duality, self/other, light/dark, good/evil, etc. Thats the trap, methinks. It was meant to be seen that way at first glance but the true meaning is that it is one symbol, not two! It is a whole, there is no light and dark, they are one and the same. Duality is illusion, the only thing that exists is the whole by itself. Now when I look I see 1 not 2.

Just my opinion YMMV of course.


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Re: Magic mushrooms inhibit immortality.. something to consider [Re: Dogomush]
    #1678427 - 07/02/03 01:22 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not sure I believe this (the whole thing). But,

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as well as holding on to emotions for years and having issues to deal with




Well, since tripping allows many people to resolve pent up issues such as these, maybe it's balanced.


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Re: Magic mushrooms inhibit immortality.. something to consi [Re: Dogomush]
    #1678432 - 07/02/03 01:23 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I think that's all a bunch of bullshieet.


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Re: Magic mushrooms inhibit immortality.. something to consider [Re: Malachi]
    #1678685 - 07/02/03 02:39 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

hey swami, just stop it.
Control is a need of the EGO.

you always insert these obnoxious little quips ostensibly to insert some of your salt of the earth pragmatic reasoning, but it really looks needlessly antagonistic.
Sorry you find a true statement with zero personalization to be offensive. Would it please you more if I fabricate some "spiritual" fluff?

you _know_ he's talking metaphysics... its not funny!
No he was not. ("Ultimately it will speed the aging process. ") He was talking about lifespan which is biological and not metaphysical.


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Re: Magic mushrooms inhibit immortality.. something to consi [Re: ]
    #1678700 - 07/02/03 02:45 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

'Something to consider' right?
and considering it, I think IT'S FUCKIN' SHIT!! :mad2:
no..juuuust kidding...
    :tongue2: juuuust kidding.
really. I've often thought that...
1) Psychedelics have made me hungry for enlightenment but lazy and impatient when it comes to the discipline required in these distracting times etc etc etc..
2)Unless I have some psilocybin or Dextro. or whatever right before I die (like Huxley) I might lack the concentration/courage to 'stand up to the light' or focus on breath or say the magic words ('peanut butter and jelly sandwiches'  consider yourself enlightened! :wink:)
I don't know, I think this is an interesting topic but perhaps some people feel threatened by it...or ,honestly,consider it nonsense!
I think we can all agree that Psychedelics do have SOME kind of effect on the CNS.  Are there long-term alterations? Are they against some spiritual law? Or for it?
 


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Re: Magic mushrooms inhibit immortality.. something to consi [Re: Dogomush]
    #1678870 - 07/02/03 03:35 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

I've come across some information about some health risks you guys may want to be aware of.




Are you just making this up, or is there some actual evidence that supports the claims you make in your posting?


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Re: Magic mushrooms inhibit immortality.. something to consider [Re: Swami]
    #1679352 - 07/02/03 07:58 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Magic mushrooms inhibit immortality - Something to keep in mind.

Apparently everything "inhibits" immortality as no one lives forever. 




Well, right  now, I'm coming down from a HUGE dextro trip and i feel that this post brings up a very sharp point, no one lives forever, i think it's relevent. And in response to energy use think of how much primordial qi it would take to summon a frame of mind in which one had the capability of influencing others reality to the point where the other person perishes (i.e. killin' 'em)... yeah...think about it... :oogle:


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Re: Magic mushrooms inhibit immortality.. something to consider [Re: trippinlizard]
    #1679759 - 07/02/03 10:42 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

OK first everything in Nature has sex!!!

It's a fundamental building block to biological systems. It does not expend energy, it creates energy anew. (Don't you feel a rush after a good orgasm, like your body has been flooded with tons of energy?)

Second, mushrooms, marijuana, peyote (natural substances especially) *pull in* new energy into your body, revitilizing it and purifying it. Of course, you pull in so much energy with mushrooms that the next day your physical body often needs a moment to integrate it all.

I don't know about you, but I personally sleep less after experiencing da fungi and have renewed energy for days or weeks after!

There is unlimited energy in the universe, you must simply be open to receive it all. Abundance is natural.


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Re: Magic mushrooms inhibit immortality.. something to consider [Re: c_mathimatics]
    #1679830 - 07/02/03 11:07 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry but Swami is right.


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Re: Magic mushrooms inhibit immortality.. something to consi [Re: NariusFractal]
    #1680030 - 07/02/03 12:24 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Obviously everything does not live forever, just like what goes up must come down. But time is a variable and how you treat your time will depend how much you have. If you abuse substances or even worry too much about simple things you are putting external variables into your life which will effect your time ( your life span, or time line ) Some things counter act each other, for example if you are very stressed out at the end of a day it is easy to see that your pent up anger could needlessly use up your energy leaving you emotionally unstable and wasting your time, if instead you realize your emotional state and take the proper step's to defuse yourself(some cry, others talk..) you will be increasing your time because you just prevented a few hours of needless ranting and reducing your stress.


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Re: Magic mushrooms inhibit immortality.. something to consi [Re: Dogomush]
    #1680047 - 07/02/03 12:36 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Check this thread out

Theres a good chance magic mushies can greatly prolong life.
interesting, no?


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Re: Magic mushrooms inhibit immortality.. something to consider [Re: Swami]
    #1680868 - 07/02/03 06:06 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Really LOL!!!!!!!!!!! Confusion sae:Yu wise ass! :smile: 


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Re: Magic mushrooms inhibit immortality.. something to consider [Re: Dogomush]
    #1680905 - 07/02/03 06:23 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I'm sorry...Swami made me laugh...but listen: all systems that attempt to preserve their purity of teaching either dismiss or condemn alien elements that sneak in. I'm somewhat knowledgeable about Taoist Yoga and Alchemy, but more attuned to Hindu and Tibetan Yoga (which drew from both Chinese and Indian sources). I must tell you that one of my most important teachers - Lama Anagarika Govinda - said that he never Really understood the doctrines of which he was brilliantly knowledgeable - until he took LSD.

On a lesser note, I've practiced Yoga for no less than 30 years, and taken psychedelics for the same amount of time, and I still get ID checked once and a while. Dude - I'm gonna be 50 years old next week! I still feel the need to jack-off a couple times a day during the horniest week of my monthly male cycle, and still jump my Lady that night. My father is still alive at 86, even though he smoked up to 3 packs a day, and had 15 major surgeries in 18 years, and his uncle just died at 106. Genetics and/or the grace of God.

Despite the Taoist notion of the creation of 'the Immortal Fetus,' which really is an analogy to St. Paul's 'Inner Man,' there is a big difference between the idea of Eternal Life, and personal immortality. I embrace the former notion, with hope, but dismiss the latter notion as a misunderstanding of The Way [things are].


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Re: Magic mushrooms inhibit immortality.. something to consider [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1681642 - 07/02/03 11:45 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

...and I still get ID checked once and a while.

But you politely explain to them that you will NOT be eligible for the the senior citizen discount for another 5 years.


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Re: Magic mushrooms inhibit immortality.. something to consider [Re: Swami]
    #1681665 - 07/02/03 11:53 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Bragging about my new AARP membership won't help me beat the cover charge either!


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Re: Magic mushrooms inhibit immortality.. something to consider [Re: Dogomush]
    #1682351 - 07/03/03 03:16 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

well for me i dont know man. i was really fucked up and felt really depleted before i took shrooms. it was just after i took them that i felt like i was going crazy... and not so much thati  didnt already feel like i was "going crazy" . my perceptions were really fucked. BUt anyway ill try to stay on topic. i Remember there was a post by someone a while ago who said that the "fountain of youth" was in your spine and that by having sex or releasing the energy for sex depleted this "youthful water" or what have you. But I think there are new "rules" to be made for a new world. With so many things that we dont have to think about now, i think what we really need to try and keep our energy on is keeping it real. SOmething that i think will only get harder as time goes on... that is unless there are more brave souls venturing to try and change something of the world around them. the shroomery is a good place, its a nice haven for a lot of people. But i think a lot has to be done on the outside as well. As far as mushrooms are concerned and ever lasting life, i dont see them as a detrement to the continuance of "whatever" it might be that could be continued, but maybe an arduace(sp?) task for a re assesment of ones life. as for me, lifes been way too fucked up. I was shot off the planet long ago, im visiting, trying to make changes to things ive seen... Who knows, maybe i just have brain damage, and i lack the proper perceptional facilities to understand. But then again... ummm :rolleyes:  :eyemouth:


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Re: Magic mushrooms inhibit immortality.. something to consider [Re: Swami]
    #1682397 - 07/03/03 03:33 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Its funny, religion and spirituality is such a far out concept yet our nearly our whole lives revolve around its presence in our world. whether it be your belief or simply the belief of others. and for me, ive never really witnessed anything great, out of this world, except that world i seem to have cultivated inside my own mind. Thats been pretty far out, and the greatest questions i face is the that of understanding that world. The thing about religion is, the so called events that have inspired religous texts around the world, have never been witnessed to living people. To OUR perspective. no one we know who has lived knows anyone else who on the whole of our world witnessed something out of this world, out of ourselves. One person might have seen it, and said i have witnessed a true outworldy experience, alines, jesus, satan, santa claus. But yet.... We have not all witnessed the same thing.

Is that what it takes for something to be real? Maybe it doesnt matter, but the point is, i think it takes everyone together to realize one thing, for one thing for all of us to understand. So we can have some foundation as a race which to guide our evolution, stear our abilties.

When was the last time we all looked up at the sky at the same time, when was the last time we together as a race did anything at the same time?

When was the last time that our race ever decided to do somethign together? lol... to me the greatest question that lies before us is what to do with humanity. What I see is a world slowly crumbling... people their beliefs on the understood crashing everyday. What really matters now isnt really meant to be debated, its something that should be agreed upon.


Maybe thats why so many people fear the end of the world. Maybe its that true sense of real fear, "hey look at this if you dont see your world will crash".

To me almost all religions strive to one point. Maybe its not so bad that religions are here... just the people that seem to carry them out. maybe the creators had the right intention, but just lacked the ability to control their "believers" to "keep it real". Maybe the point to the whole of most religions was to be something taken to a literal aspect and not something out of this world. You know... not metaphorical, dreamy, o thats your belief screw you. but more of the kind of, hey look, it seems that their our rules to our society, we must follow them or else, we must naturally face consequences.

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