hahah funny shit. I knew this was a controversial subject. Nobody wants to hear about this sorta shit on this forum. Well let's clear some things up. I'd just like to remind everybody that you don't have to believe anything ever, so please don't be scared, I'm not waving around a sharp bible on a wooden stick.
Lateralus:
Ive read a bit about this stuff and I quickly came to the conclusion that its bunk crap. Thats religious Dogma youre talking about, its a seperatist point of view that is made for believers of it to seperate themselves from the masses by (unfourtunately) denying themselves pleasureful things in life to find inner peace.
Hehe I like how you've read a "bit" and "quickly" came to the conclusion that it's bunk crap. Good effort.
It's not at all religious dogma. It's not religious. You are a confused little man. This is a health issue. Through the western paradigm mushrooms are totally fine health-wise. According to TCM (traditional chinese medicine) magic mushrooms burn up the primordial qi of the body. How much? I don't know that you could quantify it. Is it a signifigant amount for the average drinking/smoking/driving/TV watching fast-food eater? Probably not. TCM and Daoism are separate. Daoists are health-obsessed (well, not "obsessed" exactly because an obsession would be unhealthy) and that's why they come into the equation. Let's also not forget that there are many schools of Daoism based on the ingestion of powerful herbs, drugs, and sex. The Seven Bamboo Tablets of the Cloudy Satchel, a Daoist book containing 360 methods for gaining enlightenment cover everything. So don't go around calling Daoism dogmatic. By definition dogmatic daoism can't be daoism. Daoists aren't even dogmatically anti-dogmatic.
I suggest you make use of your mental faculties next time you respond to a post.
C_mathematics:
OK first everything in Nature has sex!!!
What about Daoist ascetics? Seriously though, there's nothing wrong with having sex. It's more about management. Because of the nature of our calculating, logical minds we get a little fucked up. I don't know about the animals where you live but the animals where I live have sex only a few times a year (don't ask me how I know this). They shag in the springtime and are celibate the rest of the year. Animals don't fuck out of boredom or silly things like "love" or because of some psychological shit inherited from the days you sucked on your momma's teet. So while we're doing everything to imitate nature, shouldn't we also eat our own shit? Dogs do it...
Second, mushrooms, marijuana, peyote (natural substances especially) *pull in* new energy into your body, revitilizing it and purifying it. Of course, you pull in so much energy with mushrooms that the next day your physical body often needs a moment to integrate it all.
Exactly what I'm talking about! You feel revitalized, purified, full of massive amounts of energy! Except you say you pull this in, but I say that this energy is your primordial qi being brought out and used to give you the trip. Think about the action of mushrooms on your brain.. you don't absorb any nutrients or any energy... the psilocin goes into your brain and bonds to your receptors and makes them fire like crazy, again and again and again. The thing that makes you trip is your own brain going off, not the drugs. Therefore the energy comes from you, from your own brain.
LSDOD:
Worth noting as well that many culture's religions endorsed the use of magic mushrooms and other entheogens as part of the path to enlightenment etc.
What religions use magic mushrooms and other entheogens as part of the path to enlightenment.? I've actually never heard of one. Fill me in, cause I know these drugs are used for practical everyday things like getting in touch with spirits to know what's up, travelling outside the body, healing self and others, but I've never heard a culture using them to gain enlightenment in the Buddhist/Taoist sense of the word.
Rhizoid:
Are you just making this up, or is there some actual evidence that supports the claims you make in your posting?
I've been told this by a friend who's a martial artist and a doctor of TCM. I have an automatic skeptical reaction to anybody claiming adverse reactions from drugs, even ones I don't do, just because there's so much misinformation out there and people are quick to label psychedelics as dangerous. The theory was explained to me not in a context of "don't do drugs!" but as a way to explain to me the concept of primordial qi. I've been very impressed lately with the approach of TCM, and I've come to accept it as a paradigm equally valid as western medicine though very different. Through training martial arts I've found talking in terms of qi, meridians, and the five elements is much more productive than using western terms (tendons, muscles, nerves, etc.)
The system of understanding I use to train martial arts and develop a deeper understanding of what's going on in my body states that magic mushrooms use up primordial qi. Though the thought that my beloved mushrooms might be a little unhealthy makes me wince, I think I owe it to myself to investigate further, and posting here is part of that investigation.
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