koraks said:

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10 months in amsterdam or
6 months in utrecht

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So you're choosing between 6 and 10 months, and between cities, right? So if you want to stay 10 months, then you'll have to pick Asmterdam. If you don't care and 6 months suits you as well, then I'd recommend Utrecht. Why? Because there are a lot less annoying tourists in Utrecht, and the vibe is much better (IMO) than Amsterdam. Then again, I'll rarely pass the opportunity to express my loathing for our capital; I think the city and most of its people SUCK. Much of that as to do with the general attitude of the inhabitants of Amsterdamned that the country stops about 6mi. south of Amsterdam, and that civilization only stretches to about 2mi. from the city center. Combine that with the hordes of annoying Spaniards lying drunk & stoned in the middle of the roads, and the general unfriendly attitude of the locals, and the choice becomes obvious: anything _but_ Amsterdam for me. I guess for a foreigner the differences are a lot less pronounced.

Utrecht has the additional advantage that there are actually pretty nice spots of what little nature we have here on cycling distance from the city. The area around villages such as Maartensdijk and Bilthoven makes for good cycling and some light hiking. These spots are on the same side of the city as the university campus, so if you reside on the campus, you'll find yourself on the 'right' side of the city.

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Beanhead said:

Spaniards?

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Mostly turks/morrocans

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and eastern-europe slavs, czechs and so on.

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I barely see spaniards

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Check out Madrid

koraks said:

Beanhead said:

Spaniards?

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Tourists, yes.

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Mostly turks/morrocans

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They are the native population of Amsterdam and don't qualify as tourists anymore.

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and eastern-europe slavs, czechs and so on.

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They do the work we don't bother with anymore; we pay them in 1/2L cans of cheap beer which we find empty in the backseat of the old German car when they've just crashed it into something.

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I barely see spaniards

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Check out Madrid

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you're so right

Cool how Shroomery has such diversion of people. I like you koraks