FuzedBox said:

I was under the impression that most modern martial arts were derived from certain aspects of jujitsu, not so much differing from it.

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Cannabischarlie said:

from a self defense standpoint, it seems to get all the variables except for ground fighting, which technically is a last resort and not generally a beneficial situation to be in. Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu unfortunately seems to go against that, which is unfortunate because it is a great complimentary art with far too much hype in the self defense regard.

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marmarlun said:

Cannabischarlie said:

from a self defense standpoint, it seems to get all the variables except for ground fighting, which technically is a last resort and not generally a beneficial situation to be in. Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu unfortunately seems to go against that, which is unfortunate because it is a great complimentary art with far too much hype in the self defense regard.

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Your statement does not reflect reality at all. MOST fights would go to the ground - that's just how it works. It's much easier control someone with your whole body and weight.

Everyone thought like you until ufc 1, when everyone who tried to stay standing and strike got taken down and raped in seconds, fight after fight.

If you are picking kenpo over bjj or whatever for street-effectiveness (how your post makes it sound) you are in for a rude awakening.

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Prisoner#1 said:

FuzedBox said:

I was under the impression that most modern martial arts were derived from certain aspects of jujitsu, not so much differing from it.

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most areas developed their own fighting styles, Jujutsu means 'gentile practice'

doesnt seem very feasible for a martial art

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The Mad Shroomer said:

Guess you won't know until you have to use it...

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i have used it

Haven't watched it all the way through, but I think P and T could have done a better job with some of the statistics. What is an injury? I have yet to break a bone or even so much as pull a muscle enough to actually consider it "pulling a muscle"

also I have yet to break a board in Kenpo Karate, but it isn't to say that some studios don't

board breaking isn't all bullshit, you could go against the grain and more legit videos intentionally remind you of exactly what P and t do, and do just that.

even p and t say it isn't completely useless, the physics are important to the very nature of the art.

it is called an art for a reason. the sparring is admittedly more about learning technique and a lot of repetition in as close as a scenario as you can get that is safe for the average person.


better studios cut through the bullshit. without seeing it all the way i can't say one way or the other

we actually joke about how no one gets injured in karate but those who play other sports are always injured from those.

i will watch the whole episode to see if it gives any credit to more legit schools, they did admit on the recycling one that cans are worth recycling

Cannabischarlie said:

er... to the last three guys, i have heard that a lot, but the truth of the matter is the vast majority of people have no martial arts experience to avoid such situations.

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i take into account that most people, especially larger than me will try to wrestle or tackle me, you should too.

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never fight two on one if you can help it. i dont care if its two 100 pound women with not experience, its still TWO on one.

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propensity said:

Penn and Teller are homos for changing the name of their show to "Bull!"

Btw the whole key to fighting is to just listen to bruce lee

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Prisoner#1 said:

I guy I knew way back when had no martial arts training, he beat the
fuck out of a black belt, dont rely on marial arts because it certainly
wont save your ass against a determined untrained fighter, if someone
decides to take you to the ground, you may not manage that arm bar

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i take into account that most people, especially larger than me will try to wrestle or tackle me, you should too.

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I take into account that I dont like violence but I'm not going to let
someone beat up on me, if someone decides to commit me to a fight I'm
not fucking around with wrestling and king fu, because as far as I know,
the bastard intends to kill me so I'm taking everything he has to fight
with right from the start, no seeing, no breathing, no standing, maybe
not in that order

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never fight two on one if you can help it. i dont care if its two 100 pound women with not experience, its still TWO on one.

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does kenpo not teach you how to handle the situation? two, three, seven
or twelve, the odds are always the same, take one down quickly and 
brutally and the others hesitate, you've instilled fear, fear will lose
the fight against rage

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Cannabischarlie said:

kenpo does teach you to handle a situation in exactly the way you described. perhaps i wasn't clear, ideally don't fight in those situations until it becomes necessary or that you can actually utilize the upper hand.

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in fact they do plenty of if you have to fight two  people, and it generally involves making it hard or using the fact that there are two people.

i was told (and i agree with) "if its two on one be as brutal as possible. It already isn't fair, take out a knee, etc.)

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if anything in the 100 pound woman scenario you certainly don't want a lucky shot, or a knee shot, or something to happen while taking out one of them, because its that much harder.

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ideally isolate one.

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as a general system though, it really is all about what it trains you to do in less than ideal situations, it changes your instincts so to speak and only a fool would rely solely on the martial art rather than common sense.

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the simplest defensive maneuver is a well placed kick to the solar-plexus and cross on guard, and hopefully that is all you need. why not the groin? partly because people protect it, or you could miss easier, and you may not always be fighting a man, among perhaps other reasons.

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Prisoner#1 said:

there's no lucky shots, there's those that land and inflict harm and
those that dont, call it lucky if you want but when my hundred pound
sister broke her 210lb husband's cheek it wasnt luck and it wasnt
training, it was determination to prevent him from ever hitting her
again, somehow his military and martial arts training failed him when
the boom box collided with his face

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ideally isolate one.

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ideally, eliminate the threat from both attackers, isolate one and the
other is still an issue, drop one and you still have the other to
contend with, if there's several people, as I mentioned, eliminate the
one that poses the immediate threat and move to the next before they
have time to realize that the fight is going to get ugly

when I was working security at a pool hall I watched as a kid from Saudi
Arabia held off a dozen assailants that came from a Klan rally, they
were armed with stick, bats, tire irons and chains, the arab kid had a
pocket knife with a 2 inch blade, he was determined that they'd all
bleed and kept them at bay for several minutes, I intervened and stopped
the one that instigated the problem and the rest scattered, the butt of
a pool cue to the hip causes plenty of pain, enough to make a man cry 

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as a general system though, it really is all about what it trains you to do in less than ideal situations, it changes your instincts so to speak and only a fool would rely solely on the martial art rather than common sense.

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training overrides common sense and instinct, that's the  purpose of
training, common sense tells you to try and run when several people are
attacking you, like in the P&T clip, it's about fear management

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the simplest defensive maneuver is a well placed kick to the solar-plexus and cross on guard, and hopefully that is all you need. why not the groin? partly because people protect it, or you could miss easier, and you may not always be fighting a man, among perhaps other reasons.

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reconsider whom you're training under, the simplest defensive maneuver
is to run like hell, a kick to the solar plexus will 9 times out of 10
land you on the ground while you're opponent is kicking the fuck out of
you. you can learn all the fancy chuck norris flying roundhouse kicks
you want but the second you start kicking above the waist you put
yourself into harms way, because it takes no more than a step forward to
eliminate all your energy, scoop you up and slam you on your head or a
step back to have you expending your energy  in wasted motion, when that
leg gets started my foot will stop it or I'll step in and on your toe
and simply push you to the ground

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Cannabischarlie said:

not every time you get in a fight will you even square off like everyone seems to think.

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I was told "if there are two people, its already not fair, don't be afraid to maim at that point."

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