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 Hippie3
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 Re: casing 
#13200 - 04/19/00 06:57 PM (24 years, 11 months ago) |
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you pretty much summed it up.
a casing gives the shrooms more water to work with, thus the later flushes.
pf cakes can be cased whole as per his double-ended casing tek at his site or crumbled and cased in trays.
typical casing is vermiculite, or
potting soil.
some use peat moss but it can easily contam and the ph must be adjusted.------------------
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Re: casing [Re: Hippie3]
#13202 - 04/19/00 07:15 PM (24 years, 11 months ago) |
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i think i want to try the pf double ended casing tek, but it's not on his website. he said something about casing it after the first flush, but other casing teks say to case it when the mycelium is formed. any other casing teks that you know work real well? i want lots of shrooms... 
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BaldCuban
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Re: casing [Re: Hippie3]
#13203 - 04/19/00 08:07 PM (24 years, 11 months ago) |
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PF's double ended casing tek works well for whole cakes. it can be found at his sight under "PF TEK Add On Techniques". The specific PF, or matais romero, strain of cubensis will fruit on its first flush easily without a casing applied. All other strains (or races, as he puts it) require some type of casing method to fruit. To get a second flush from the PF/MR strain requires a casing as well. I would suggest working with the double ended cake casing tek for a while to hone your skills. After you have gained some experience, then you may choose to switch to a more complicated casing method.
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Hippie3
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Re: casing [Re: Hippie3]
#13204 - 04/19/00 08:08 PM (24 years, 11 months ago) |
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it's on his site, scroll down a bit.
he says after 1st flush because he's assuming that you let it pin in the jar before birthing, in which case it would not have time to colonize the casing before the 1st flush.
i find that mixing a bit of perlite into the verm. speeds it up. potting soil, a good quality one, works real well also.
got some 'martha stewart' potting sol at k-mart the other day. it's high quality. cased a birdseed cake & it looks just awesome.
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vivid
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Re: casing [Re: Hippie3]
#13205 - 04/19/00 08:21 PM (24 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hippy, don't get me wrong I really appreciate your advice here, but the advantage of a peat moss based casing is that it IS resistant to contamination (I've never had a contam problem with peat, and the TMC backs me up).. but the pH should be adjusted.For my first casing, I used 1 part verm, 1 part perlite as the bottom layer, then the spawn, then 2 parts verm, 2 parts peat moss, 1 part perlite... Got 222 mature B+'s on the first flush  (shorter and thinner but hell 222!). Anyway, theres plenty of good teks out there for casing and it isn't all that hard, give it a shot. vivid
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Hippie3
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Re: casing [Re: Hippie3]
#13206 - 04/20/00 07:00 AM (24 years, 11 months ago) |
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well i disagree.
i've used peat and gotten contams & i could copy dozens of posts reporting the same thing.
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ar393
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Re: casing [Re: Hippie3]
#13207 - 04/20/00 07:13 AM (24 years, 11 months ago) |
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so what is the best way to adjust the pH of your peat moss.i am using just peatmoss for my top layer. shouldi go and use 50/50+ or maybe just peat moss with oystershell?
-Ar393. oh yeah, im finally back after bein outtie for a while
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 BoomerZ
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Re: casing [Re: Hippie3]
#13208 - 04/20/00 01:19 PM (24 years, 11 months ago) |
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I had troublw with peat too, out of 5 casings, all were conmtaminated..i was even spraying w/ H2O2. And the onlt thing i had to show for all the work was one pin about 1/2 cm tall, and it aborted! LOL. This time im using PF double ended. Does double ended actually increase yeailds, or just make for a second flush?
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Anonymous
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Re: casing [Re: Hippie3]
#13209 - 04/20/00 04:08 PM (24 years, 11 months ago) |
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casing after the first flush is for the pf spore race only, right? it is the only one that pins in the jar. because have some hawaiian and equador spores too but i haven't inoculated them yet. these have to be cased in order to fruit, correct?
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Anonymous
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Re: casing [Re: Hippie3]
#13210 - 04/20/00 04:15 PM (24 years, 11 months ago) |
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i am so out of it  my question was already answered above.
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Anonymous
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Re: casing [Re: Hippie3]
#13211 - 04/20/00 08:40 PM (24 years, 11 months ago) |
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i have to disagree. Right now I've finishing up the second flush on PF-style cakes, and i'm waiting to see if there is gonna be a third.so you are not necessarily limited to one flush if you don't case. Note that using a lot of humidity helps these flushes, perlite and misting is what I use, and i keep the temp around 70 to promote fruiting
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Anonymous
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Re: casing [Re: Hippie3]
#13212 - 04/21/00 08:34 AM (24 years, 11 months ago) |
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The following is an entirely fictional account, written in 1st person for dramatic effect:When cakes are placed directly on top of perlite, I find that they give off flushes until they're too old to fight off other microorganisms. I don't believe casing should be necessary at all. At least this is true for B+. I've never tried any other varieties. I've got one question though: I'm trying to colonize some jars with potting soil (no vermiculite, as it is completely, totally impossible to get hold of here in this country!). If this succeeds, I'd like to spread it out in a little tray with some casing on top. If anyone knows any good casing recipies (except for vermiculite), please let me know.
Cheers.
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Anonymous
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Re: casing [Re: Hippie3]
#13213 - 04/21/00 11:51 AM (24 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey Drus, need to RTFM again..Potting soil is casing!
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