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A life of sensory deprivation
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What would a human, born into the world via artificial means, completely deprived of any kind of sensory information (lets just assume that was possible.) Think and feel?

Would it posses creativity? What is that exactly?

Would it feel or be apathetic?

could such a thing even be deemed to be a conscious entity?

Any thoughts?

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Re: A life of sensory deprivation [Re: exoskeletal]
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it would die. they did some testing with babies, in which they just deprived them of "love" and touch in early stages of development and they died. now imagine if it was complete sensory deprivation, im guessing they would just die alot sooner


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Re: A life of sensory deprivation [Re: heavymetalfreak10]
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heavymetalfreak10 said:
it would die. they did some testing with babies, in which they just deprived them of "love" and touch in early stages of development and they died. now imagine if it was complete sensory deprivation, im guessing they would just die alot sooner


Source? Who is "they"?

For the purposes of this concept please try and assume that it would be possible to maintain a human life with out sensory information.

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Re: A life of sensory deprivation [Re: exoskeletal]
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Source? Who is "they"?





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Re: A life of sensory deprivation [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Haha thank's for clearing that up.

By the way witch of the blues brother's are you?

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Re: A life of sensory deprivation [Re: heavymetalfreak10]
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What heavymetal said.  There is no sexy answer to this one.  Children deprived of sensory  contact (that of human contact in particular) either die or end up severely retarded.  I recall reading about this in my sociology and human growth and development classes.  There are cases of children being locked in dark rooms and basements from very early ages for very long periods of time.  I remember watching a video about one child who was rescued from said situation.  Although they tried to rehabilitate  her, she had an absolute aversion to light and to human contact.  When brought into a lit room she would crouch into the corner of the room with her eyes closed facing the wall. The child had only every known darkness and solitude, so light and other people seem to threaten her sense of security.  Needless to say, your question is equivalent to asking what would happen to a seed if it was never provided soil or moisture- nothing, it would wither and die.

Edited by musicosm (08/30/10 02:07 AM)

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Re: A life of sensory deprivation [Re: exoskeletal]
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As the younger brother, they call me 'Baby Blues'.


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Re: A life of sensory deprivation [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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this happens


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Re: A life of sensory deprivation [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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As the younger brother, they call me 'Baby Blues'.

Do you have bluegrass where you live?  :dancer:


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: A life of sensory deprivation [Re: musicosm]
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musicosm said:
What heavymetal said.  There is no sexy answer to this one.  Children deprived of sensory  contact (that of human contact in particular) either die or end up severely retarded.  I recall reading about this in my sociology and human growth and development classes.  There are cases of children being locked in dark rooms and basements from very early ages for very long periods of time.  I remember watching a video about one child who was rescued from said situation.  Although they tried to rehabilitate  her, she had an absolute aversion to light and to human contact.  When brought into a lit room she would crouch into the corner of the room with her eyes closed facing the wall. The child had only every known darkness and solitude, so light and other people seem to threaten her sense of security.  Needless to say, your question is equivalent to asking what would happen to a seed if it was never provided soil or moisture- nothing, it would wither and die.


So, they still develop an ego?


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Re: A life of sensory deprivation [Re: lolwut]
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They've done case studies on this, they're called feral children. There's only two examples that I know of,

One example was a girl named gennie or jenny, strapped to a potty chair in a basement for years. She past the point of full language comprehension (apparently there's a cut-off around a couple years) and was never able to completely learn English.

That's just one of the detrimental effects of severe childhood neglect, but there were plenty of others.

This boy from Germany was believed to be raised alone in the woods, he had no sense of hot or cold and was known to run in the snow naked when unsupervised.

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Re: A life of sensory deprivation [Re: TM2443]
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part two



very good info if you're at all interested in this kind of thing, we studied this same case in a Human Development class last semester.

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Re: A life of sensory deprivation [Re: exoskeletal]
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I think its a very interesting Q.

I have heard these case studies aswell... looks bleak.

But that is lookin at it from a 'practical' point of view... we can also consider it from a 'hypothetical' point of view.

Like the empiricists would say that everything that you can know is given from sensory experience... So according to them the kid could know nothing.

Could the kid even have emotions? No because to have emotions you need an object to be emotive about...

But then cant they have an object? if its neurons are firing surely it is conscious... but of what? Can we think in things that are without content?

Could it know math? Do we need sensory perceptions to be able to think in Math?


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Re: A life of sensory deprivation [Re: TM2443]
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Sad story, I watched through part four. What I don't understand is how they could send her to foster homes and allow her to be abused again. Fuck humans.


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Re: A life of sensory deprivation [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Sad story, I watched through part four. What I don't understand is how they could send her to foster homes and allow her to be abused again. Fuck humans.


Thats the part that pissed me off too

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Re: A life of sensory deprivation [Re: TM2443]
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Well thanks for that link dude, very interesting.

I was only interested in the hypothetical side of thing's, mainly whether or not the human would be deemed conscious, or indeed posses any human characteristics.

Perhaps it would just be a sack of flesh and electrical pulses.

Who knows.

The case study provided is certainly relevant, But then again she had out side stimuli didn't she.

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Re: A life of sensory deprivation [Re: exoskeletal]
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after they rescued her, yes. But she was chained to a toilet for how many years?

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Re: A life of sensory deprivation [Re: TM2443]
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Did they ever figure out if the source of her behavior was retardation or isolation (and or both) ?


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Re: A life of sensory deprivation [Re: TM2443]
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TM2443 said:
after they rescued her, yes. But she was chained to a toilet for how many years?


She still would have had human contact. Food, water, ect.

She was not blind, nor deaf and had these senses to stimulate her. (to a tragically low extent, mind you)

She doesn't meet the hypothetical criteria that I had in mind.

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Re: A life of sensory deprivation [Re: exoskeletal]
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exoskeletal said:
TM2443 said:
after they rescued her, yes. But she was chained to a toilet for how many years?


She still would have had human contact. Food, water, ect.

She was not blind, nor deaf and had these senses to stimulate her. (to a tragically low extent, mind you)

She doesn't meet the hypothetical criteria that I had in mind.


Ok maybe I misunderstood the point of the post but still she grew up basically in solitary confinement 24/7 with no family,friends,human contact whatsoever, never learned the language and was never able to. To me that's just interesting from a human development standpoint I suppose.

Sorry if I misread the post and started videos and changing the subject:huxleyfacepalm:

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