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Fear and Loathing
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Just saw Fear and Loathing in Los Vegas.  Didn't care for it at all.  It was just a bunch of nonsequiters about insane druggies.  It didn't make sense at all.  Seemed like a pretty strong anti-drug propaganda type movie.

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Re: Fear and Loathing [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Re: Fear and Loathing [Re: Anonymous #2]
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You didn't see the movie?

I've heard so much about it, that I decided to rent it this afternoon.

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Re: Fear and Loathing [Re: Anonymous #1]
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i agree when i first watched it i thought it seemed like they were trying to make drugs look bad.

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Re: Fear and Loathing [Re: Anonymous #3]
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Why does everyone like it so much.  I've heard hundreds of raving testimonies here on the Shroomery about the movie's awesomeness.  Did I miss something?

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Re: Fear and Loathing [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Well i guess compared to other movies it does have alot of drug use which will make people on the shroomery want to watch it.

in my opinion its decent when it comes to movies about drugs.. I mean it wasnt BAD...

I didnt like the bad vibes that come later in the movie though.

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Re: Fear and Loathing [Re: Anonymous #3]
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Yeah, it's got a lot of drug content, but so does a DARE pamphlet, and you don't see Shroomerites reading those for entertainment.  It demonized the hell out of psychedelics.

And yeah, that whole thing with Lucy was quite unnecessary.  That's when my boredom turned to displeasure.

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Re: Fear and Loathing [Re: Anonymous #1]
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I happen to be a big fan of Hunter S Thompson and the book is a very entertaining read.
They did do a pretty good job has it for a movie also, I don't see it has a for or against drug use, just shit that happened in his life

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Re: Fear and Loathing [Re: Anonymous #4]
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I'm gonna have to disagree with you there...

The whole movie was a demonization of drugs.  I didn't see a single positive portrayal of any drugs throughout the entire movie.  Just pure psychosis.  It may as well have been a 40's reefer madness commercial.

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Re: Fear and Loathing [Re: Anonymous #4]
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Looking at Hunter's real life, It's just how he was, but that's what makes this a great place is what different people consider entertainment.

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Re: Fear and Loathing [Re: Anonymous #1]
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You are missing the point. It isn't about all the drugs or the craziness , it is about the sanity that exists between those lines. Raoul Duke was nothing more than a fictional vehicle created to allow Hunter S. Thompson to convey the hopeless, emotional detachment that was the intellectual property of a whole generation. It does a fantastic job of allowing the reader to experience the counter-culture through the eyes of it's Bastard General right at the end of a battle that the free citizens of thought should never have had to fight. It shows that not only do entheogens, or drugs for the limited in vocabulary, allow for escape from the norms, but in many cases are the opposite of the debilitating, mind numbing poisons that the US Gov't has been trying to tell us and the world they are for all these years. All this is done without trying to glorify the dangers and pitfalls of their effects. It also shows the that power, greed, and corruption (even his own) are as equally dangerous as any psychedelic experience, but that these traits will not fade away after eight hours. The representation of the police, politicians, and persons of priveleged position (himself included), though exaggerated and cynical at times, applies even today. Even through their fog it is easy to recognize the "swine" for what the are, and if the "druggies" see it, what is it that is stopping the "straight-edgers" from pulling the plug on these land-rapers and greed-heads? Hence the name Fear and Loathing, for that was all Thompson had for this nation or any at the turn of the decade in 1970. He saw coming what we are living through today: the inability to trust anyone in a position of power. The book is a revolutionary attempt to get people to start questioning that which we are expected to accept unconditionally. Try reading the book. Or appreciate that the movie was made by Terry Gilliam, and in true fashion of all his work, is quite confusing in its sequencing and transitioning. Or join the opposing forces. but know if you do, we are out here, and we will not stop until every last man, woman, and child is free.
FREAK POWER.

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Re: Fear and Loathing [Re: Anonymous #5]
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Anonymous #5 said:
You are missing the point. It isn't about all the drugs or the craziness , it is about the sanity that exists between those lines. Raoul Duke was nothing more than a fictional vehicle created to allow Hunter S. Thompson to convey the hopeless, emotional detachment that was the intellectual property of a whole generation. It does a fantastic job of allowing the reader to experience the counter-culture through the eyes of it's Bastard General right at the end of a battle that the free citizens of thought should never have had to fight. It shows that not only do entheogens, or drugs for the limited in vocabulary, allow for escape from the norms, but in many cases are the opposite of the debilitating, mind numbing poisons that the US Gov't has been trying to tell us and the world they are for all these years. All this is done without trying to glorify the dangers and pitfalls of their effects. It also shows the that power, greed, and corruption (even his own) are as equally dangerous as any psychedelic experience, but that these traits will not fade away after eight hours. The representation of the police, politicians, and persons of priveleged position (himself included), though exaggerated and cynical at times, applies even today. Even through their fog it is easy to recognize the "swine" for what the are, and if the "druggies" see it, what is it that is stopping the "straight-edgers" from pulling the plug on these land-rapers and greed-heads? Hence the name Fear and Loathing, for that was all Thompson had for this nation or any at the turn of the decade in 1970. He saw coming what we are living through today: the inability to trust anyone in a position of power. The book is a revolutionary attempt to get people to start questioning that which we are expected to accept unconditionally. Try reading the book. Or appreciate that the movie was made by Terry Gilliam, and in true fashion of all his work, is quite confusing in its sequencing and transitioning. Or join the opposing forces. but know if you do, we are out here, and we will not stop until every last man, woman, and child is free.
FREAK POWER.




Can I get an AMEN !!!!
I would love to add more but it takes forever to type with one arm in a cast :stars:

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Re: Fear and Loathing [Re: Anonymous #4]
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You may need to understand what a crazy bastard Hunter Thompson was to appreciate the movie.
Maybe check out "where the buffalo roam", another good movie with the duo that has less emphasis on drugs. http://tvshack.net/movies/Where_the_Buffalo_Roam__1980_/

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Re: Fear and Loathing [Re: Anonymous #5]
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Yeah, I guess I see where you're going.

Except for here:

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It shows that not only do entheogens, or drugs for the limited in vocabulary, allow for escape from the norms, but in many cases are the opposite of the debilitating, mind numbing poisons that the US Gov't has been trying to tell us and the world they are for all these years



I didn't get any of that at all.  I found that the entire movie portrayed them exactly as "debilitating, mind numbing poisons."

But other than that, I guess I see what you're saying.

Maybe I'll watch it again with that subtext in mind.  Maybe... :lol:

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Re: Fear and Loathing [Re: Anonymous #1]
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I liked it before but I started loving it only after I did acid. That movie just reminds me of an acid trip.

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Re: Fear and Loathing [Re: Anonymous #7]
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I've done lot's of acid.  And mescaline, and mushrooms, and RCs.

My psychedelic trips are always beautiful.  That was, well, Fear and Loathing, not beautiful.  Didn't remind me of an acid trip at all.

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Re: Fear and Loathing [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Well, I've only done acid once. I took 2 tabs, my friend took 1. My friend had a terrible trip and was crying and stuff. I had an amazing trip and I loved acid, but there was a lot of confusion and shit associated with it, for me. At one point I couldn't "remember" who I was. I literally floated through a world of weird thought processes, intense visuals, and other crazy sensations.

Fear and Loathing is oftentimes so random and almost confusing that it reminds me of acid for me.

Hope I made sense I'm feeling pretty toasty :awesome:

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Re: Fear and Loathing [Re: Anonymous #7]
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The movie isn't really about the drugs themselves, it's about his journey. Of course the drugs play a pretty significant part, obviously, but they are more like facilitators rather than the actual subject. It's nice that you have always had beautiful trips, but most people I know that regularly use psychedelics have had at least one "fear and loathing" style trip, where reality distorts to some weird plane where the reptiles are after your soul. It's truly a scary experience, and that's one of the reasons I like the movie, is that it captures the spirit of the crazy, freaked-out side of the trip better than pretty much any other form of media I've seen, while showing how the intense drug use changed the protagonist.

Although after watching it many, many times I have found I no longer enjoy watching it. Now that I know a lot of the lines it has kind of lost it's magic, and I find it way too crazy.

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Re: Fear and Loathing [Re: Anonymous #8]
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I have had two horror trips in my life.  But they were spent mostly in the fetal position, not swinging knives at everyone.

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Re: Fear and Loathing [Re: Anonymous #1]
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My trip felt a bit... hectic

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