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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Yin and Yang [Re: TimmiT]
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TimmiT said:
I believe that spirit and matter are intricately entwined - more like complimentary forces, rather than opposing ones.


i agree.  that is why they are essentially one thing.

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Re: Yin and Yang [Re: Icelander]
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Yes, I see how you are relating the two.
But I'd wager our individual conclusions about this would differ vastly.

The Greeks with their immortal gods seemed to have envied to a certain degree the mortality of man. I tend to fall into this stream of thought.


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Yin and Yang [Re: Kickle]
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What you are doing is an intellectual exercise. If you really felt this in your bones you would off  yourself post haste. Death anxiety consciously or unconsciously will in most prevent direct acknowledgment of that fact. We want not only life but immortality.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Yin and Yang [Re: Icelander]
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Quote:
I'd wager our individual conclusions about this would differ vastly.


The pointlessness of life doesn't bother me.
After all, why should it have a point?

And while at times this can spur very negative feelings, these too are pointless.


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Yin and Yang [Re: Kickle]
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If the pointlessness of life didn't bother you, you would never get upset and nothing would ever bother you in the least. Like I said intellectual beliefs are not emotional realities and we usually hide this form ourselves.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Yin and Yang [Re: Icelander]
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Not true. At times I would get upset.
At others I would not. 
Pointless means without a point.
It does not stop at any one destination.

The times when it bothers me most, is when I attach to a specific meaning.


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Yin and Yang [Re: Kickle]
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Your post makes no sense to me. If you understood the pointlessness of life. Truly grokked it. Nothing would upset  you because you would know that would be pointless. You would be essentially enlightened which imo is impossible.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Yin and Yang [Re: Icelander]
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My post was about experiencing the world as pointless itself being pointless.
Neither one has a static nature to it. Neither one ends in a point.
And why should it?

Basically, when I feel down about the meaninglessness of life, I observe it and it fades, just like all those good feelings about a meaningful life.
Neither one is the point because the point doesn't exist.


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

Edited by Kickle (04/03/10 01:38 PM)

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Re: Yin and Yang [Re: Kickle]
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OK  that I get. And since you indicated that you still have temporary ups and downs the emotional is going on doing it's thing. And it's all pointless.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Yin and Yang [Re: Icelander]
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Indeed.
But again, why should life have a point?
Why should my emotions be either non-existent or only too.

No need to force it, ya know.
I think that's what attachment often is -- trying to force a point.
I've never seen it succeed.

You let it go, and the world does it's thing.
It does its yin spin over to yang and then maybe after a while it spins back again
and you just watch

the watching to me is the spirit.
it watches the material do its cosmic dance...
It picks up on the subtleties in the moves, it sees the beauty of the motion.

Jung just said that often times we become blind to significant chunks of the world.
They don't disappear from existence, only from view.
They become relegated to the unconscious.
That we do not consciously experience what is actually there.

So if you believe that consciousness is all there is.
That the evidence you find in your consciousness, is all there is...
You're never going to find evidence of your unconscious.


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

Edited by Kickle (04/03/10 01:53 PM)

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Re: Yin and Yang [Re: Kickle]
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I would also like to say Icelander that I find your dance very beautiful.
...For a white guy...


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Re: Yin and Yang [Re: Kickle]
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But again, why should life have a point?

Oh I agree. However I was taught it should have.

And all of my life I have been open to the possibility of a mystical reality. I have not had any experience that I can identify as mystical but I'm not closed to the possibility. That's one reason I question those who claim they are real.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Yin and Yang [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:
I would also like to say Icelander that I find your dance very beautiful.
...For a white guy...


Why thank you brother. Coming from you, (a poster I respect) I choose for that to mean a lot to me.:heart:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Yin and Yang [Re: Icelander]
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:heart:
:discorex:


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Re: Yin and Yang [Re: Kickle]
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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