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Yin Yang and Balance * 1
    #3191819 - 09/28/04 04:14 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I was thinking about balance and power struggles earlier specific to male and female energy. Achieving and maintaining mental and emotional balance is a goal of many spiritulist here so I thought to post this.

Male energy gives and female energy recieves, symbolically speaking, yin yang.

I was thinking about how when they get out of balance male giving energy can turn into withholding or forcefull agreession.

When feminine energy becomes imbalanced it can turn into passive rejection or neediness.

These are aspects found in BOTH the male and female human beings and have nothing to do with physical gender. The ability to give and recieve being in balance is difficult enough, let alone keeping each end in its own balance.

Related to personal power struggles in life, if you find yourself in one, consider where balance can be restored and where you may be out of balance and are over or under compensating.

It actually came up from an off board convo about why some men feel intimidated by empowered women.


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Re: Male and Female Energy and Balance [Re: gettinjiggywithit] * 1
    #3192216 - 09/28/04 06:03 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

sometimes this balances getts wierd, I have a really masculine personallity, but at times I might feel that feminine aspact in myself aswell, its wierd, but I try to enjoy it.......especially when doing something with a bunch of girls  :tongue:


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Re: Male and Female Energy and Balance [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3192534 - 09/28/04 07:50 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I was thinking about how when they get out of balance male giving energy can turn into withholding or forcefull agreession.

When feminine energy becomes imbalanced it can turn into passive rejection or neediness.


I don't understand what you mean here. Can you give examples?

It actually came up from an off board convo about why some men feel intimidated by empowered women.

And why is that? Also: do women feel intimidated by empowered men?


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Re: Male and Female Energy and Balance [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3192840 - 09/28/04 08:41 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

this is a good line of exploration.
especially good since you don't need to be overly accurate or scientific to point at the direction intended, and since both aspects male and female are in each sex in many many ways.
AND it is inherently valuable mostly since it plays up our prejudices while expanding our appreciation.

I'm eager to put this whole thing in perspective; But that is a combination of the male energy emerging and the female part trying to keep house.
so I will sit back and enjoy
observations on this issue never cease to amaze and illuminate.


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Re: Male and Female Energy and Balance [Re: ] * 1
    #3193150 - 09/28/04 09:47 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Well Max,

Passive rejection would be not feeling worthy to accept something, be it a gift, praise, recognition, or consolation, things like that.

My grandmothers tend to have a difficult time recieivng gifts and recognition and the elder men in my family have a difficult time recieving consolation or help ie; like men who don't ask for directions.

You know what neediness is, men tend to say women are too emotional needy for example. and sometimes women say men are too needy of ego stroking.

Witholding would be not being able to give of yourself in some aspect or having difficulty being vulnerable.

You know what being forcefully aggressive is. When out of balance, offering to give turns into forcing or agressiveness.

Of course, these aspects of imbalance can be seen in either sex and this isn't about genralising men and women, rather looking at the aspects of the energy inherent in both and restoring a healthy balance.

Being balanced means being able to give of yourself graciously and respectfully and being able to recieve what others offer to give you graciously and respectfully.

Well, I hope that adds to understanding the original post.

I don't know why some men feel intimated by empowered women. My dad hates them, a brother of mine keeps hooking up with mentally and emotionally strong females and they clash like the titans. my dad also has not integrated his femine aspects.

He doesn't cry nor would he accept condolences if he did and he doesn't ask for directions, he knows everything (in his mind)

My mom has a difficult time accepting gifts and praise, yet she is very assertive.

You asked if some women feel intimidated by empowered men? they are use to it. LOL This would have to go in reverse, do some women feel uncomfortable with men in touch with their feminine aspects? I know they do because they were raised to think men are suppose to be tough and not cry yada yada.

This is all BS and unhealthy for the either sex to be in energetic imbalance just because they are physically male or female. menatlly and emotionally we are both in the giving and reciving sense. generally we have been raised to cut ourselves off from integrating both aspects.

Boys are told not to cry and to be tough and do it themselves and girls are rushed to be coddled and are ussually offered more help as if they can't do things by themselves.

Okay, do you have a better understanding of what we are working with here and how you can use this to raise awareness of become a well balanced integrated being?

You come accross pretty balanced white russian and so do you Max.

That was funny what you said about being eager to jump to it and wanting to play a passive role too. LOL

I get the feeling you can add to this and take it in some directions. I need some inspiration or direction to take this further having set a base to build upon.


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Re: Male and Female Energy and Balance [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3193229 - 09/28/04 10:02 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

OK, that explains much. Here's how I see it. Men and women should accept their role as male or female and not try to balance half and half, or even close to that. When it comes to yin and yang, you aren't the whole circle. You're either yin or yang with the tiny bit of yang or yin mixed in. Therefore I think proper balance of male and female within oneself is something like 90% your own gender, and 10% of the other gender. Any more or less of either would be imbalance, because our race is bi-gendered for this particular balance. If you're incorporating 100% of your own gender's energy, you simply won't be able to relate to the other gender. If we were all hermaphrodites and incorporated both energies equally, then you would need to incorporate 50/50 balance.


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Re: Male and Female Energy and Balance [Re: ]
    #3193246 - 09/28/04 10:06 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

its this all cultural?


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Re: Male and Female Energy and Balance [Re: ]
    #3193652 - 09/29/04 01:07 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

WOW!

I wasn't talking about fullfiling gender roles. That is almost another topic. One that could get really sticky in this day and age too.

I think realising yourself as the circle is more important then what percentage of which energy encompasses which physical form or what role you play.

I want to swing this back to power struggles that result from imbalances. This is more about being a whole individual that utilising both aspects in balance. This was about recognising when we are thrown off balance when we see ourselves becoming forcefully aggressive, emotionally needy, passive and witholding of giving love, unable to accept love, help or a sense of worth.

Max,

I am interested that you said men and women should accept their roles and not try to be in yin/yang balance. Now it's my turn to say that I don't understand what you meant by that?

Your answer may take us somewhere interesting.


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Re: Male and Female Energy and Balance [Re: ]
    #3193655 - 09/29/04 01:08 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe an 80/20 male/female ratio would balance just fine with an 80/20 female/male ratio? I also wonder if love would eventually take most imbalanced ratios and naturally offer some level of "correction."


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Re: Male and Female Energy and Balance [Re: Viaggio]
    #3193753 - 09/29/04 01:29 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I also wonder if love would eventually take most imbalanced ratios and naturally offer some level of "correction."




Thats an interesting question and there may be something to it. When I met my husband, we each had the perfect balance on our own and together it was perfection and we were taken into hieghts of love from first sight like you can't imagine. I can't say which came first as it seemed to fall together all at once.

We were both imbalanced in the relationships we came out of before meeting.

When we had our daughter and I quit working, we feel into the roles and we fell out of balance and minor power struggles started to rear their heads and now I am working at regaining balance. I was thinking about this an hour ago and then you brought up the idea that love may correct imbalances.

Hmmmmmmmmmm, I want to think some more on this as it seems healthy self love is the the corrective love.

I personally think the stereo typical roles puts to much pressure on an individual which throws the inner balance off. He's concerned if he gets to soft, he will loose his edge in bussiness and I'm concerned that if I allow myself to pursue what fullfills me (being assertive, taking care of the self before others) I won't be the doting mother house wife fullfilling that role that I feel expected too.

Maybe expectations come into play here.

I know most readers here arn't married with children in the sterotypical roles and can't actually relate to this dynamic. Maybe it's something to take note of before you get married and have children.


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Re: Male and Female Energy and Balance [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3193821 - 09/29/04 01:42 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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gettinjiggywithit said:
I was thinking about balance and power struggles earlier specific to male and female energy. Achieving and maintaining mental and emotional balance is a goal of many spiritulist here so I thought to post this.

Male energy gives and female energy recieves, symbolically speaking, yin yang.




I am actually a male in disguise.  :grin:

I give, or emit, energy.  I am one of those who goes through life not noticing anything, but my energy affects everyone around me.  Cats shrink back when I pass by.  I win most of my stuff in court.  I can get almost anything I want. 

Quote:

I was thinking about how when they get out of balance male giving energy can turn into withholding or forcefull agreession.




This is true in my current relationship.

Quote:

When feminine energy becomes imbalanced it can turn into passive rejection or neediness.




I am never needy.  I may withdraw if I am hurt, but I don't reject, nor do I become needy.  I think you might call it withdrawing to a position of prideful rejection.  I am still responsive, but fuck you, I don't "need" you.

Quote:

It actually came up from an off board convo about why some men feel intimidated by empowered women.




I am a clueless type, so I am not the "general rule." 

I don't feel like I have run into many men who are intimidated by me.  I don't feel like men treat me as if they are intimidated.  I have run into a few assholes, and I imagine that they beat their wives, but for the most part, in my line of work, I have been treated equally. 

But again, I'm just clueless.  If someone was treating me in a manner that indicated that he felt intimidated by me, I probably wouldn't notice it.  :grin:


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Re: Male and Female Energy and Balance [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3193906 - 09/29/04 02:04 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I wasn't talking about fulfilling gender roles either. I was talking about male/female thinking/energy ratios. Gender roles come about from gender energy. There's no separating the two. If you're a male you'll naturally exhibit mostly male energy; if you're female you'll naturally exhibit mostly female energy. And the 'roles' simply exist because of the energy focus.

I am interested that you said men and women should accept their roles and not try to be in yin/yang balance. Now it's my turn to say that I don't understand what you meant by that?

Male and female together create the yin-yang whole. If you identify yourself as male or female you can't possibly be both. You're only one half of the circle. If you have a 50/50 balance of male/female aspects, you're either a hermaphrodite, gay/bisexual, or you've got gender identification issues. If you identify yourself as a male or female, your 'balance' only consists of your half of the whole. But remember, either half of the yin-yang also contains a small portion of the other, which is why I said you should have a 90-10 ratio to stay balanced (or 80-20 as mentioned above, somewhere around there).

'Gender roles' come into existence because they directly result from the ratio of male-female thinking. As above, so below. If you're a female you have the female anatomy for a reason. Males have their anatomy for a reason. They each have certain levels of hormones and right/left brain dominance for a purpose. Male and female exist to complete a whole. When you try to have an equal balance between the two within yourself, you're attempting to be both genders, which is okay if you're not concerned with the physical aspect of life. But physical reflects the mental/spiritual and vice-versa. As long as you have a male/female body, why try to be the other?


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Re: Male and Female Energy and Balance [Re: ]
    #3194347 - 09/29/04 03:40 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I think we're all confused as hell about our own selves. It's not because we are dumb, I think in a lot of cases it stems from insecurity and our isolated little capsule lives imposed on us by North American society which drives us toward false-wants like "self improvement" and those really neat Lu Lu Lemon pants, or those super fashionable Lui Baton purses.

A logical outcome in a society based on profit and image.

We are the whore, living in decline.

best to grab onto someone and move to the hills. Might want to burn your television while you are at it.


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Re: Male and Female Energy and Balance [Re: methikist]
    #3195427 - 09/29/04 02:06 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I think we're all confused as hell about our own selves.





Thats why I think we are all here talking, to understand ourselves through others and so we don't feel isolated in a self contained capsule.

Wouldn't running off to the mountains be a form of self isolation?

You did bring up another form of imbalance as you mentioned how outter material values distract us from inner spirtitual values. When you can start to tune into yourself and reflect on what you were thinking and feeling and connect it to "outer" events you can begin to bridge the inner reality with the outter reflection and work at restoring equilibrium there.

The more you are out there creating events and interacting with others, the more you have to see what is going on inside of yourself with. You can even start putting things to the test as in when, you shift on the inside, reality also appears to shift in resonance.


Red, I wish you would jump in with what you have on this topic.

I was really just pointing out the inherent energies of giving and recieiving love contained within the One self, and how when the giving part goes off balance, it becomes forceful and aggressive or withholding and how when the receiiving part goes off balance it puts up blocks or over compensates by giving to much to others and not the self because the blocks (beleifs about being undeserving or unworthy) don't allow you to give to yourself or recieve from others.

Power struggles ensue within because of this type of imbalance to give and recieve and then they manifests themselves in our relationships.


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Re: Male and Female Energy and Balance [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3195575 - 09/29/04 02:38 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I always thought it'd be nice for people to have a male/female balance so they may deal with all problems and situations properly and from more than one perspective in order for thebest possible solution for themselves and others.If your a male or female thinking its wrong to be the other at the same time,imho,i feel like it would be wise to evalulate yourself as far as your mind frame and what has inspired you to be so onesided with your thinking.You don't need to have both to have good relationships,butit certainly helps yourself,and ifyou wanted to help anyone,its good to have that balance so you may have a more fufilled experience in life,and with that experience,you may pass it along.BTW jiggy,i love your thoughts on this idea,and to the females here,i like hearing empowered statments and feelings.I don't get that kind of experience around where i live.Thank You. :smile:


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Re: Male and Female Energy and Balance [Re: tnecseda]
    #3197120 - 09/29/04 09:22 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

gender empowerment and associating learned behaviors and attitudes to gender makes me sick. its like saying differnt race's have differnt inhernt energies.

edit: learned behaviors like giving, recieving, neediness, blah blah blah. if i want to be a whiney little bitch i don't need poeple ticking of "too much female energy" in thier head, maybe thats just how i am. and if i want to dominate and control i don't need poeple telling me i'm too male.


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Re: Male and Female Energy and Balance [Re: truekimbo2]
    #3197165 - 09/29/04 09:31 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah these are observations, mere symbols of the true experience.

But then again, what isn't?


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Re: Male and Female Energy and Balance [Re: truekimbo2]
    #3197196 - 09/29/04 09:35 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Indeed!

this is about genders having the same inherent energies and putting them into balance and in the understanding if applied to bring balance to all, the assotiations will only be relevant to all human beings. Thats what this is about, bridging the gaps and unifying them into one.

frog, how you commented on the witholding the self as being a pride issue, I was thinking on that one too. At first, on the surface, it looks as if one begins to withold their thoughts and feelings from another because they value them and feel they are being abused, disrespected, un appreciated ect. Thats where the self pride kicks in and begins to withold the "goods".

Then I went deeper into the power struggle going on within the person. It would seem that if one GIVES to themselves, enough consideration, gentle care, respect and appreciation, then they will always be able to give to others easily as they replenish themselves easily.

If they arn't giving this to themselves and or allowing themselves to recieve it, then they will probably be feeling a lack of this "power" self love and may be witholding in an effort to conserve what little they feel they have.

it comes out in some relationship as a witholding power struggle.

See how I am seeing all of this.

It's about giving and receiving truekimbo2, not men and women, to keep focus.

In some spiritual schools of thought, the male energy (not body) is the giving, inserting one and the female energy (not body) is the open recieving one.


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Re: Male and Female Energy and Balance [Re: deff]
    #3197210 - 09/29/04 09:37 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

so then its not so much that black poeple are stupid (something i hear quite alot) its just that the true experiance can only be explained by saying black poeple are stupid.

or more on topic, males like to dominate is just a way of talking about the way that males (a definte physical characteristic) are emotionally set up.... in an ideal world i guess? since like its noted poeple don't have just "male or just "female" energy.

or maybe its that mental characteristics cann't be coupled with physical characteristics without making gross generalizations that confuse things. (if you say that a specific mental quality is male or female, it also builds the reverse association that a male or female is automatically associated with the characteristic, at least in my opinion).


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Re: Male and Female Energy and Balance [Re: truekimbo2]
    #3197234 - 09/29/04 09:41 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

No, female and male are used here as qualitative descriptors of a non-gender related issue. Which is to say, they are merely symbols representing behavioural 'energy'.

It's just like when referring to the female and male ends of an electrical cord. Sure there's obvious reference to anatomy, just as this use of 'male' and 'female' is a reference to the act of sex (giving/recieving). That's what makes them such effective symbols though, as their common definition is easily applied to this :smile:


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