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calci-sand experiment results
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the first and second flush are easily twice as potent as all the flushes from seven other substrates from the same spawn.

the experimental substrate was this:

and then 3 parts sand to 2 parts organic potting mix for the casing layer.

the rest were regular coco-coir, and all the spawn was b+ on RGS

you can find calci-sand in the reptile bedding area at the pet store, and add it to your substrates. and i bet its way less likely for your sub to get contams with calci-sand instead of coffee

1st flush


2nd flush


for contrast (from the same syringe)


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Re: calci-sand experiment results [Re: Wimy]
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you're saying sand doubles potency?  how many of these have you tried, it seems that something with no nutritious value wouldnt do that much


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Re: calci-sand experiment results [Re: Wimy]
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weiliiinmyyard said:
the first and second flush are easily twice as potent as all the flushes from seven other substrates from the same spawn.

the experimental substrate was this:

and then 3 parts sand to 2 parts organic potting mix for the casing layer.

the rest were regular coco-coir, and all the spawn was b+ on RGS

you can find calci-sand in the reptile bedding area at the pet store, and add it to your substrates. and i bet its way less likely for your sub to get contams with calci-sand instead of coffee

1st flush


2nd flush


for contrast (from the same syringe)




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If it was a MS innoc the potency would be a genetic thing not related to what it was grown off of

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Re: calci-sand experiment results [Re: Shea25]
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Calcium is important to mushroom growth, but I doubt that this "calci-sand" increases potency 2x. It's also hard to tell potency anyways especially when you consider the other factors, tolerance,time between trips, food eaten, preparation ect.

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Re: calci-sand experiment results [Re: Jiggle]
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To get a tru experiment you would have to use an iso.  But it still is worth a try the example you should shows the experiment has merit and worth


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Re: calci-sand experiment results [Re: truskool]
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truskool said:
To get a tru experiment you would have to use an iso.  But it still is worth a try the example you should shows the experiment has merit and worth



im going to try it again, somebody else should try it too

funny all 7 of the other subs had white stpies and the one controlled sub was different

try it!

how do you take an isolate, i have supplies and fresh shrooms, all kinds of grains for different species too

when people say mycelium water does that mean the syringe has h20 and tissue and thats it?


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Re: calci-sand experiment results [Re: Wimy]
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You need to isolate on agar

Mycellium water either refers to a brf slushie or a grain LC i believe


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Re: calci-sand experiment results [Re: Wimy]
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weiliiinmyyard said:
truskool said:
To get a tru experiment you would have to use an iso.  But it still is worth a try the example you should shows the experiment has merit and worth



im going to try it again, somebody else should try it too

funny all 7 of the other subs had white stpies and the one controlled sub was different

try it!

how do you take an isolate, i have supplies and fresh shrooms, all kinds of grains for different species too

when people say mycelium water does that mean the syringe has h20 and tissue and thats it?




To get an isolate you need to do agar work. Mycelium water is just water with myc in it, it can be in a syringe or jar. I don't think what you grow mushrooms off of will really increase there potency that is a genetic thing. Many people have tried to add things to there subs to make them more potent nothing has worked. The best way to get potent mushrooms is to clone one off a really potent flush and then make up an LC with it.

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Calcium is important to mushroom growth, but I doubt that this "calci-sand" increases potency 2x. It's also hard to tell potency anyways especially when you consider the other factors, tolerance,time between trips, food eaten, preparation ect.



Calcium is important in the mushrooms development but will not affect the potency. Try adding a crap load of gypsum into a sub..... it wont effect the potency but it does help grow nice mushrooms

Edited by Shea25 (02/07/10 07:31 PM)

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Re: calci-sand experiment results [Re: Shea25]
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nice tip but i think it works


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Re: calci-sand experiment results [Re: Wimy]
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weiliiinmyyard said:
nice tip but i think it works




This one experiance means nothing unless it was done with a isolate and done a few times to prove it works. The science behind offers no evident to support the fact this will make more potent mushrooms. Your opinion is subjective and not scientific. To state I think it works with zero proof  or real study is a bit hasty. People should not start believing in this just due to 1 time with a MS innoc and its unfair to them to be told this works with no real evidence

Edited by Shea25 (02/07/10 07:46 PM)

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Re: calci-sand experiment results [Re: Shea25]
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I do agree with shea an experiment has to be reproducable with similar results.  But would love to see some more ppl try this


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Re: calci-sand experiment results [Re: truskool]
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wimy you will have a iso soon.:biggrin:


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Re: calci-sand experiment results [Re: Shea25]
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Shea25 said:
weiliiinmyyard said:
nice tip but i think it works




This one experiance means nothing unless it was done with a isolate and done a few times to prove it works. The science behind offers no evident to support the fact this will make more potent mushrooms. Your opinion is subjective and not scientific. To state I think it works with zero proof  or real study is a bit hasty. People should not start believing in this just due to 1 time with a MS innoc and its unfair to them to be told this works with no real evidence



he said he gonna try it again.

your kinda harsh here bro.:smirk:

why put him down for trying something and posting what he found to happen?


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Re: calci-sand experiment results [Re: whyblameus]
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whyblameus I think your conception of harsh is a bit off. I'm not being mean to him. I'm just offering a scientific explanation. im not putting him down i think its a great idea just needs to be refined I gace him some advice on how to do a proper test.

whyblameus you need to chill out, theres no hostility here at all :thumbup:

My whole response was to him saying

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i think it works



I hope we all can do more experimenting like this its great

My intention was not to come off "harsh" but to offer a opinion on how to PROVE this theory, 


Edited by Shea25 (02/07/10 07:59 PM)

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Re: calci-sand experiment results [Re: Shea25]
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Shea25 said:
The best way to get potent mushrooms is to clone one off a really potent flush and then make up an LC with it.





the best way to get potent mushrooms is to make a bunch of isolates then fruit them and keep the most potent iso.

most mushroom arent enough to know how potent the are with just one so you would have to grow the clone and test that.
and if its not that potent then you have to start over.

doing isolates sounds like a much easier process to me.



sorry to nit pic your posts.


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Edited by whyblameus (02/07/10 08:10 PM)

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Re: calci-sand experiment results [Re: Shea25]
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Shea25 said:
whyblameus I think your conception of harsh is a bit off. I'm not being mean to him. I'm just offering a scientific explanation. im not putting him down i think its a great idea just needs to be refined I gace him some advice on how to do a proper test.

whyblameus you need to chill out, theres no hostility here at all :thumbup:

My whole response was to him saying

Quote:
i think it works



I hope we all can do more experimenting like this its great

My intention was not to come off "harsh" but to offer a opinion on how to PROVE this theory, 





sorry man.

i think im just trippen.

sorry.


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Edited by whyblameus (02/07/10 08:11 PM)

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Re: calci-sand experiment results [Re: whyblameus]
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whyblameus said:
Shea25 said:
The best way to get potent mushrooms is to clone one off a really potent flush and then make up an LC with it.





the best way to get potent mushrooms is to make a bunch of isolates then fruit them and keep the most potent iso.

most mushroom arent enough to know how potent the are with just one so you would have to grow the clone and test that.
and if its not that potent then you have to start over.

doing isolates sounds like a much easier process to me.



sorry to nit pic you posts here but if you want people to be completely accurate you should yourself.
i know you know a lot much more then me i just thought you were rude.




true isolate would be the "BEST" way but also very time consuming and harder for someone who has not done any isolate work. Best  would be to start with a live tissue> isolate> fruit out >

But an isolate would be Prime

Edited by Shea25 (02/07/10 08:11 PM)

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Re: calci-sand experiment results [Re: Shea25]
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damn you quoted it before i edited it.

i know i was just being an ass.

sorry man.


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Re: calci-sand experiment results [Re: whyblameus]
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he doesnt need a potent mushroom just the same genetics.

so a clone would be fine for this experiment right?


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Re: calci-sand experiment results [Re: whyblameus]
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for sure a clone is pretty much an iso anyway


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