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Everyone has tried to broadside it by mocking it or saying this is how things are, change ain't gonna come.

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Both you and Grapefruit are throwing some lousy, false dichotomies into my lap in order to avoid confronting my statements.

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Funny that I was thinking almost exactly the same thing.

Honestly you appear to have completely failed to say exactly why the government governing whether we live or die is any different to them governing any other aspect of life.

Telling other debaters they don't understand your points and are being stupid is fairly pointless in a debate and you might aswell just duck out of the debate if you think that but are not willing to support the claim.

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Life and death are more fundamental and universal issues than control of farming equipment, banana import and fish populations. As far as the rest: do you see any difference between the government, or a lynch mob or citizens carrying out the death penalty?

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do you see any difference between the government, or a lynch mob or citizens carrying out the death penalty?

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Why is it a humans right to live?  I have no problem putting someone to death if I think they are a problem that can't be resolved. This is how nature has always worked.

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Agreed. Case and point, in July of last year while riding on a Greyhound here in Manitoba Vince Li suddenly stabbed Tim McLean numerous times in the torso and throat, and proceeded to decapitate him as the bus halted and passengers fled. Locked in the bus by driver and a few others with a crow bar and hammer, he continued in the next hour or two to taunt the passengers with mutilated pieces of the body, and at one point ate part of Tim's arm.

Can we the human race not agree as an organism that morality and ethics aside  we simply do not need these individuals reproducing? Can we not accept that sometimes humans simply break?

They could have entered the bus and shot him down, we all would have felt a whole-fucking-lot better and gone on with our lives. Instead we watched the arrest, the trial, the insanity plea, the treatment centers, the clinical diagnosis, and now his sustainment in intensive care under our tax paying dollars. Meanwhile the family of Tim McLean being as emotionally involved as they are have fought to keep him imprisoned, as they are already suggesting his release to a monitored life if his condition improves.

Watching him eat a mutilated corpse, I think at that point someone should have simply yelled ZOMBIE! and shot him in the face, and gone home feeling the pride of saving the human race from yet another outbreak.

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As a public policy choice, execution requires tradeoffs of public resources and investments for state legislators and local prosecutors. The costs of administering capital punishment are prohibitive. Even in states where prosecutors infrequently seek the death penalty, the price of obtaining convictions and executions ranges from $2.5 million to $5 million per case (in current dollars), compared to less than $1 million for each killer sentenced to life without parole.30 These costs create clear public policy choices. If the state is going to spend $5 million on law enforcement over the next few decades, what is the best use of that money? Is it to buy two or three executions or, for example, to fund additional police detectives, prosecutors, and judges to arrest and incarcerate criminals who escape punishment because of insufficient law-enforcement resources?

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Lakefingers said:

Icelander said:

than control of farming equipment, banana import and fish populations.

Nice try but that's just not true imo. You pick on a couple of benign little things and pretend this is the extent of govt control outside of the big issue of death. Not so. Much govt control (the lack of freedom of what to do with your own body being just one example) basically can make life hardly that of being more then a slave.

I really think you are emotionally invested and so thinking irrationally about this issue.

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And I think you'll do anything you can to avoid playing with ideas that would disturb the fragile, but comfortable and dogmatic rut of death anxiety that you've lured yourself into for the past while. Time to leave that like Casta�eda. See, in other words, we get no where with these and just demonstrate we should study the fallacies thread and be more playful with concepts and ideas.

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do you see any difference between the government, or a lynch mob or citizens carrying out the death penalty?

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/me buckles up and prepares to be hated

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