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Re: Having HPPD and taking psychedelics [Re: Rocker232]
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I don't believe in HPPD.
I do believe that psychedelics can alter your perceptions.

I have constant trailers, halos, strong lights 'burn' my vision momentarily, static surfaces move, space can appear distorted, static in my visions, the list goes on. Smoking marijuana greatly increases the effects, and I've noticed more effects and an increase in the strength over the years of my psychedelic use.
But.. I wouldn't say it's a disorder. There is still most definitely a different between high on psychedelics and not high- I can function just as if I was sober. I would feel more closer to say that instead, my perception has changed, maybe the doors of perception is just a little bit more open.

I would also say it's very common, just varies in strength.


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Re: Having HPPD and taking psychedelics [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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The way you describe your condition is not at all different than the common definition of HPPD.

It is only called a disorder in the respect that it is not normal.

It doesn't mean that people with HPPD necessarily have psychosis or delusions.

That being said, I think 90% of the folks who say they have it are full of shit and they see it as some kind of glamourous thing.


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Re: Having HPPD and taking psychedelics [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
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Swyfty Swyf said:
That being said, I think 90% of the folks who say they have it are full of shit and they see it as some kind of glamourous thing.


I agree, I don't even think I have it myself, even though I do have all those effects I typed down. I don't see it ever making life hard or having to see a psychiatrist about it- I'm not 'tripping 24/7'. Does this mean I just have a mild form (it does get intense sometimes..) or is that even possible? Most people I talk to about this have the same effects. Are they just bullshitting to sound interesting, or do they read into mild effects too much, or are they speaking truth?

I don't know.. reasons like these are why I don't really think it's this rare disorder. It's a fairly common change in perception psychedelics cause, just to different degrees and causes different reactions in different people.


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Re: Having HPPD and taking psychedelics [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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I feel that it does intensify at times.

There is never a time when I don't see the design, but sometimes it looks electric and stands out more than usual, and at those times I usually feel a little off too, as if I am in need of vitamins or something.

There is a big difference between tripping 24/7 and having HPPD.

The name is just a terminolgy thing and just because it is named as a disorder doesn't mean that doctors know or even admit to know much about it.

It's a fairly new term coined by psychiatrists, who mostly admit that those with the disorder know more about it than them.

If you see designs on things and you didn't before using LSD (namely), then I would say you are a likely candidate for having HPPD.


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Re: Having HPPD and taking psychedelics [Re: Cannabischarlie]
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well
Cannabischarlie said:
HPPD DOES NOT EXIST :crankey:


I tell people this all the time. it has nothing to do with Hallucinogens. PPD does, but the DEA and War on Drugs mongers want you to believe this.

i have done RC's and many substances, I have no PPD whatsoever.

i have heard of plenty of people with PPD of sorts that havent touched the stuff.

please dont perpetrate this myth purple crankey here wont allow it! :gc:


....so you're trying to tell me i have paranoid personality disorder? politely fuck off sir.

All i know is that shaddows and objects can shift around and "move" in my peripheral vision, I see oscillating rainbow patterns around spinning/moving objects and on blank walls, and when im high enough, fractals cover every blank space in my vision. I dont know what you call it, but its definitely there, I went sober for 2 weeks and it was still there very faintly and would get worse at night.


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Re: Having HPPD and taking psychedelics [Re: themostpurple]
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ive taken LSD 10+ times, shrooms 30+....and have mixed with nitrous/salvia and other drugs....plus some molly/mda RC experience as well...

right now as I look around the room, it looks similar to the coming up the first couple of times I took LSD.

i would say that my HPPD is "stained" so to speak with the LSD chemical and the afterimages and visual distortion are more "electric" and chemical feeling than earthy and mushroomy

not to say that shrooms did not contribute to the HPPD as they most certainly did.

none of my symptoms were apparent before my drug use, and have developed slowly over many usages.

i see no reason to stop using psychedelics, as my HPPD is already quite strong...I realize that you *ALWAYS* come down, no matter how "scarred" or "tattoed" your brain may be afterwards. It has gotten to the point where I realize it is there and it is there to stay, ive gotten completely 100% used to it, and don't regret using psychedelics at all. It does not interfere with daily life what-so-ever, and in bright daylight, when im active and busy, I won't even notice it.

:shrug:
its real though, no denying that. It really bugs me that people deny it.


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Re: Having HPPD and taking psychedelics [Re: AntiEverything]
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Mine was bad initially for a week (i had so much anxiety i felt like throwing up due to the intense visuals i had for about 7 days) it's normally just my peripheral and when i'm nervous/tired now


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Re: Having HPPD and taking psychedelics [Re: learningtofly]
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it really doesnt do anything to me except make my eyes tired and harder to fall asleep...


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Re: Having HPPD and taking psychedelics [Re: themostpurple]
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how bad is it though? Honestly for a week my OEV's consisted of objects constantly growing/shrinking to immense sizes, objects flying back and forth, and everything dancing. Oddly enough it wasn't the mushrooms, it was reading about HPPD, smoking a lot of weed, and freaking myself out and then i woke up and had it.

idk if it is all in my head but i definitely have real symptoms.


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Re: Having HPPD and taking psychedelics [Re: learningtofly]
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learningtofly said:
Oddly enough it wasn't the mushrooms, it was reading about HPPD, smoking a lot of weed, and freaking myself out and then i woke up and had it.



I don't think you're the only person who got it this way :lol:


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Re: Having HPPD and taking psychedelics [Re: g00ru]
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Well, I'm not sure if/how learningtofly experience will fit into my theory on HPPD, but I'll put it forward anyways.

According to the normal statistics about HPPD, it is a fairly rare condition, <5% of the psychedelic using population I believe.
But every single friend I have irl who takes psychedelics has HPPD to a degree- although there is a definite difference in the severity of there condition. This lead me to think that HPPD is actually fairly common (if not guaranteed after psychedelic use) and that only a very tiny percentage of people find the effects too strong and disturbing for daily life, and eventually report it to their doctor.

The synapses in our brain our stregthened through use- use it or lose it. When we take a psychedelic, the paths our sensory imagaging takes to our brain has obviously changed, and I believe this stregthens the synapses along that path. This means even once you are sober, there will now exist another path the signals in your brain can take- I always heard energy likes the path of least resistance, so it's possible that as the synapses stregthen a long the new path increasing amounts of the signals will take this new path through the brain instead- bringing in qualities of pyschedelics effects with them. Over time of psychedelic use, this new path way will continually increase in strength.
Coupled with that is the fact that once you hallucinate the normal way (take some lsd) your eyes have been, in a sense, opened to the world of these hallucinations and are able to recognize them easier. One example of this effect is the increased awareness of floaters in our eyeball juice.

Going on from that, I will also say that HPPD is often used as a blanket diagnoses these days- when it is diagnosed. I believe that the people who find the conditions too much will possibly have other, underlying conditions present- such as depersonalization. Please don't misunderstand this as a disbelief in actual HPPD condition existing. I just do not belive our current definition is correct, and I see it more as an example of the benefits of psychedelics (a concrete example of how we are changing our mind?) and think we should view it this way instead.

I have no actual proof of this other than my own thoughts- but even if this is wrong I still will say the scientists ain't right either.


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Re: Having HPPD and taking psychedelics [Re: Rocker232]
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When I take psychedelics my HPPD actually goes away and is replaced by full blown visual distortions. Then once said drug is removed.....the static, cartoonish vibe, etc. returns

Its kinda scary at times. If your having a bad day filled with anxiety or depression, the HPPD doesnt help :sad:


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Re: Having HPPD and taking psychedelics [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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well sorry but it exists
dont get trapped up in limiting definitions though
disorder is relative

i can almost call these effects forward now
spiffy

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Re: Having HPPD and taking psychedelics [Re: themostpurple]
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I have/had HPP(D). I spent over a year obsessing about it on hppdonline.com

it only becomes a disorder when it becomes disruptive to your life, tahts why the D is in parentheses ... its definitely real- but then again even someone without HPP(D) can obsess over the natural flaws of the human eye leading to disruption in his/her life.

Once i stopped obsessing about it, it started to go away. meditation helps.

as for tripping thats your own choice... for some it makes it worse... for others like myself, moving from lsd induced hppd to doing mushrooms, the mushrooms actually brought me back to a more normal element and eased my hppd over time if anything.

but it is definitely real.... ever heard of visual snow?


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Re: Having HPPD and taking psychedelics [Re: g00ru]
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guruu said:
learningtofly said:
Oddly enough it wasn't the mushrooms, it was reading about HPPD, smoking a lot of weed, and freaking myself out and then i woke up and had it.



I don't think you're the only person who got it this way :lol:


elaborate please.


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Re: Having HPPD and taking psychedelics [Re: learningtofly]
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learningtofly said:
guruu said:
learningtofly said:
Oddly enough it wasn't the mushrooms, it was reading about HPPD, smoking a lot of weed, and freaking myself out and then i woke up and had it.



I don't think you're the only person who got it this way :lol:


elaborate please.


I would assume he means that little things that wouldn't normally bother get blown out of proportion when you are looking for them.


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Re: Having HPPD and taking psychedelics [Re: Rocker232]
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no i'm pretty sure that chairs are not supposed to be flying across the room.


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Re: Having HPPD and taking psychedelics [Re: Acaterpillar]
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hppds?

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Re: Having HPPD and taking psychedelics [Re: Acaterpillar]
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hppds?

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Re: Having HPPD and taking psychedelics [Re: themostpurple]
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I've had HPPD for a few years. It's hard to understand, because it used to be quite strong, were I was ++ tripping without taking substances for months. Couple years later, now, it's really reduced. The stars on my ceiling don't spin like gears anymore. The world's color scheme is going back to normal, not pastel and fake looking so much.

I ask friends if I seem any different than I was a few years ago, and they see nothing different.

It's the anxiety that gets you.

But like when I was driving back then, every light I saw out of the corner of my eye looked like a car was about to hit me. Really? That wouldn't cause you anxiety. Seeing people standing in the middle of the road when your driving? I thought I was going crazy the day I actually stopped because the hallucination didn't go away. Stuck my head out of the car and it was gone. Then thinking I was going crazy made me more anxious.


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