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Silversoul said:

There's this huge group between poor and rich called the middle class, and they're getting screwed.  Health care costs are the number one reason for bankruptcy in this country.

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they have the same option of seeking the free medical care given at
state and county health departments as well as the charity hospitals,
what stops them? treatment isnt given based on income

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How many of these "charity" hospitals are out there?  How many people have ready access to them?  Is there one in every city?  Can people get their care transferred to them after their insurance has decided they had a pre-existing condition?

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charity hospitals dont discriminate based on preexisting conditions or whether you have/had insurance, of course if you have insurance they'd like to bill them for the bulk of treatment

http://www.wsbt.com/news/consumer/17296354.html

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You seem to have non-profit and charity confused.  According to your own article, the charity care they give is a small portion of what they do.  Most of what they do involves insurance, just like any for-profit hospital.  And it's the insurance industry that is the problem, not the hospitals.

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well please show us some fact instead of rhetoric, you constantly claim
I'm lying but you've done diddly to back that claim

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Here's a little fact for you to chew on:



We spend a higher percentage of our GDP on health care than any other industrialized nation in the world.  Health care costs are rising against inflation, even as most other sectors of the economy have seen deflation.  The US is ranked 37th in overall effectiveness of its healthcare system, right behind Costa Rica and just ahead of Slovenia.

Another fact I know:  You will either ignore these facts or distort them in a way that makes no sense, as you always do.  This is because you have shown no capability of debating honestly.  I'm done here.

Cannabischarlie said:

Pris, you don't have a whole lot of evidence to back up what seem like a lot of conspiracy theories you espouse.

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I dont buy the abject poverty thing, I should probably take that back and say a fairly more troubled childhood than say GW Bush and is more like the rest of us in having to struggle than just the spoon in GW Bushes mouth.

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That being said what the fuck do you mean the dems want the bailouts? Not one industry that was bailed out was run by Dems and I have seen a step in the right direction of holding them accountable.

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I suppose I should retract and make this more clear, his family as a whole rose from meagerness and had the audacity to try to be succesful and earn what they had.

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Middle Class is the working poor.

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Everything you write here is flat earth, and the definition of poor doesnt mean he lived in da ghetto it means rather than being Paris Hilton he used what resources available to him rather than being an elitist twat.

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I wouldnt support the guy if he didnt see the middle class as the backbone of our country, instead of a communist view that the previous definition of "working class" (which is what Middle class people really are) strive to be.

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Please tell me where I can look up what you say about his family,

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Perhaps its just because I agree with his policies. so sue me. I also dont believe he is doing enough to end the war on drugs but hes doing a whole lot better than anyone else had, and progress doesnt happen over night like everyone seems to want it to.

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His father wasnt there for most of this life. Like I said I think he is very smart, I simply dont buy the bullshit that you put here.

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I do hope that he does turn the country around, and since when does any president so far in our lifetimes been handed the great depression number 2 and do the things needed for progress?

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bbl337 said:

Again, you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to health care.  There is DEFFINETLY a difference in treatment.  I've seen it over and over again.  I even had to take a patient back to the hospital 3 times in a day because they kept releasing him and giving him a prescription he couldn't afford instead of actual medicine (which they have given to other patients in the hospital via IV since they had insurance).

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Silversoul said:

Prisoner#1 said:

charity hospitals dont discriminate based on preexisting conditions or whether you have/had insurance, of course if you have insurance they'd like to bill them for the bulk of treatment

http://www.wsbt.com/news/consumer/17296354.html

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You seem to have non-profit and charity confused.  According to your own article, the charity care they give is a small portion of what they do.  Most of what they do involves insurance, just like any for-profit hospital.  And it's the insurance industry that is the problem, not the hospitals.

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answer a question, can hospitals turn people away for emergency treatment?

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no they can't. Been there, and I don't intend on paying jack shit

Prisoner#1 said:

Cannabischarlie said:

I have to be honest, I think he is doing a great job with all the shit on his plate, a great job in bringing respect back to the Democratic party after slick willie clinton whom i dont support and i think at least he is taking a step in the right direction of killing the War on Drugs.

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what's obama doing that restores faith in the jackass party?
what's he doing to end the war on drugs?

I think obama hasnt the slightest clue what he's doing

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I think he is quite intelligent and progressive, and he has been known to do speeches having the guts to say and do things no president normally would do, and thats a good thing.

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I think he's jus another corporate shill, he's lied to the public and
been busted out hundreds of times on those lies yet he still continues
to lie and idiots still eat it up

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I dont think that can happen overnight, but these right wing propaganda of him being a puppet and what not

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the evidence is there... just look at how he wanted to oust the
corporate lobbyist from DC and then filled half his cabinet with those
same people, seems the corporate puppet of socialism is only working to
enrich his friends in big pharma, energy and himself

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lets be honest, if we are unwilling to except any change in the right direction and proceed to just be the kind of people that simply want anarchy and no federal system

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lets be honest, what's the right direction? massive government and
higher taxes with less freedom? that's where obama is taking us, it's
nice how you give the false dichotomy of either obamas way or anarchy

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, we shouldnt be surprised when progress has not been made in the past because we cant be bothered to not bitch and complain about every little thing.

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we're americans, the most patriotic duty any american has is to voice
disapproval of government and the bullshit they pull

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I dont think he really could end the War on Drugs single handedly, I always tell people we are progressing towards that and if there is anything good about the Bush Administration, he has shown what Republicans really are, a drain on the economy and destroyers of our country.

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obama doesnt want to end the war on drugs, havent you seen that yet?
have you seen that in less than a year that bitch maxed out the credit
card 5x faster than bush and that's without war spending

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The typical Republican has a silver spoon in their mouth, is lazy but jumps up and down espousing conservative values that make a lot of sense but are never actually implemented, and propping up the rich

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name some of these values then explain how republicans are any different than democrats

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Oh boy though the Republicans sure want their bailouts despite always espousing lack of welfare and making people "try harder" in layments terms, but when the bottom falls out for them they are first to bitch that the corporations need bailouts, aka welfare.

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it's the democrats that were demanding the bailouts, it's the democrats
that put us in the position that the bailouts were needed, do you have
any idea what the hell you're talking about?

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I will be blunt, as a minority, I admire his actual rise from poverty and hardship to where he is at, the American dream. Actually I would admire that of anyone.

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you bought the poverty bullshit, hahahaha


mommy was a consultant with a phd in anthropology, she did work for
several nations, daddy was the son of a wealthy rancher, a harvard
educated economist, step father was a geologist for Mobil Oil, grandma
who raised him in hawaii was the VP of the hawaiian national bank, Obama
went to private schools, he certainly wasnt poor or raised in poverty

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Cannabischarlie said:

I will tell you right now that If I had the money I wouldnt take the public option but weeding the poor from the gene pool and actually saying we have systems in place is a crock.

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Then like 92 dollars, which i never paid, and never came back to me, for reading the damn things. then like a couple hundred for the the operator.

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They rarely go after you for stuff not payed, their accountants are lazy. They want to tell you that and those damn messican imm'gants not paying are the cause. its bullshit.

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my dad got a flu shot at "The Little Clinic" at the supermarket. this is not uncommon.

63 dollars, two different charges adding up to that. covered by insurance.

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the bizzle said:

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answer a question, can hospitals turn people away for emergency treatment?

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no they can't. Been there, and I don't intend on paying jack shit

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lmfsmoke said:

What did he lie about?

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Prisoner#1 said:

the bizzle said:

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answer a question, can hospitals turn people away for emergency treatment?

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no they can't. Been there, and I don't intend on paying jack shit

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now, if you go in through the ER do they handle it as thoug it's
emergency treatment even if it's a case of the sniffles?

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Deekay said:

Prisoner#1 said:

the bizzle said:

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answer a question, can hospitals turn people away for emergency treatment?

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no they can't. Been there, and I don't intend on paying jack shit

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now, if you go in through the ER do they handle it as thoug it's
emergency treatment even if it's a case of the sniffles?

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Yes, though patients are accepted based on necessity of treatment not order of arrival. If your sniffling plan on waiting a few hours at least.

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Prisoner#1 said:

the bizzle said:

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answer a question, can hospitals turn people away for emergency treatment?

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no they can't. Been there, and I don't intend on paying jack shit

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now, if you go in through the ER do they handle it as thoug it's
emergency treatment even if it's a case of the sniffles?

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no, they have free ER's for that. Those are generally crappy university charity hospitals, but if your condition is serious enough, they will hook you up with a much nicer charity hospital that can cover your needs, and I've qualified for free care too.  Now, there is tons of bitching I can do about the medical system, but at least I haven't been denied treatment. But I've also gotten emergency care at a pay-hospital, and as of yet have suffered no repercussions from not paying anything.

Prisoner#1 said:

the bizzle said:

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answer a question, can hospitals turn people away for emergency treatment?

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no they can't. Been there, and I don't intend on paying jack shit

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now, if you go in through the ER do they handle it as thoug it's
emergency treatment even if it's a case of the sniffles?

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Prisoner#1 said:

but they dont turn you away, hence they treat everyone as though it's an emergency visit

it's pretty common knowledge that a gunshot or serious auto accident will be handled before a skinned knee

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ah, I guess I didn't quite get what you meant. 

as much as it sucks to wait at a hospital for hours, why in the world would anybody find qualms with gunshot victims getting treated before sniffles

DieCommie said:

Oh give me a break...

A year ago people were crying that america would never elect a black president and they were completely wrong.  Now you are just trying to find another reason and excuse to project racism where it is not.  You are on a witch hunt for racists.

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